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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: coachcw on February 01, 2013, 08:07:35 PM
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OK so here's the question . whats your ideal lightweight rifle for back country hunting . The criteria is less than 7lbs without scope and sub moa out to 350 yards . I'm thinking in the .260 to .270 range with a 22-24 inch barell. I really like the model seven but have heard guys complain about there groups . I'm not to sure one could beat the t3 ultra light in .270 for the task . lets keep the base rifle price under $1300.
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Tikka guys are gunna be all over this. If I could choose it would be a kimber or savage light weight hunter. Could probably find a used remington TI for that price
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Browning Mt Ti 5 lbs 8 oz. 270wsm
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For the money I do think the T3 is hard to beat. There are several rifles that should satisfy those requirements, however: Browning makes a few and I'm sure others do as well.
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Browning Mt Ti 5 lbs 8 oz. 270wsm
One that slipped my mind, along with the micro hunters
M70 featherweights are slick guns. Will probably be my next rifle purchase.
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Tikka Tikka Tikka Tikka Tikka okay I'm done.
Just kidding Tikka Tikka Tikka Tikka Tikka!!!!!!!!!
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Kimber 84M Classic .338 Federal. 5lbs 10oz.
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Kimber 84M Classic .338 Federal. 5lbs 10oz.
A dream gun and caliber of mine, if only I had the cash and they had an accuracy guarantee
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Though way more than $1300, I got about that tied up in this Mark V ULWT 240 Roy, shootin a 85 grain boolit its pretty tough to beat for bucks. Its got talleys and a 3X9 ziess on it. 5 1/2 lbs bare gun, nice to pack!
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Judd, you just cant seem to get away from those weatherbys can you :chuckle:
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Kimber 84M Classic .338 Federal. 5lbs 10oz.
A dream gun and caliber of mine, if only I had the cash and they had an accuracy guarantee
I shot that deer at 275yards ranged with Nikon 440, with shooting sticks 210gr Federal Nosler. 1st deer with the gun I am very happy with how it shoots.
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Kimber 84M Classic .338 Federal. 5lbs 10oz.
A dream gun and caliber of mine, if only I had the cash and they had an accuracy guarantee
I shot that deer at 275yards ranged with Nikon 440, with shooting sticks 210gr Federal Nolser. 1st deer with the gun I am very happy with how it shoots.
I dont doubt that for a second dave. Just seems kimbers are hit or miss with accuracy, heard there new models are much more consistent though. Im still trying to talk my parents into one of those for a college grad present :chuckle: Seems that caliber is about as all around as it gets too.
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I'm absolutely in love with my Savage Axis in .243 with a Cabelas Alpha Series scope and bi-pod mounted.
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I love my tikka T3 300 WM
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Tika T3 Lite----270wsm w/ Redfield 4-12
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How much does a bare short action t3 lite weigh?
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And where do you git them Boolits. Are they a Lewis co. only purchase ? :chuckle:
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How much does a bare short action t3 lite weigh?
Just over 6lbs
http://www.tikka.fi/pdf/specs/LiteStainless.pdf (http://www.tikka.fi/pdf/specs/LiteStainless.pdf)
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And where do you git them Boolits. Are they a Lewis co. only purchase ? :chuckle:
Lol do they go boong.
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Though way more than $1300, I got about that tied up in this Mark V ULWT 240 Roy, shootin a 85 grain boolit its pretty tough to beat for bucks. Its got talleys and a 3X9 ziess on it. 5 1/2 lbs bare gun, nice to pack!
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Thats a beautiful picture, Looks like the bobby is taking a nap next to his weapon before he goes on the prowl for hunters!
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How much does a bare short action t3 lite weigh?
Just over 6 lbs mines about 7 with scope and sling, best gun I have ever owned.
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Kimber Montana .300wsm (any mid caliber). Tack driver out of the box. Just over 5lbs.
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The T3 is 6.2 lbs the T3 lite is 5.8 lbs. I shoot a T3 in 270win and absolutely love it. For packing into the alpine where shaving weight everywhere you can, I was extremely impressed with it
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Those Kimbers seem iffy. Some shoot well and others don't. I'd hate to drop all that money and get one that won't shoot MOA. Beautiful rifles though.
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kimber montana or the browning mountain TI
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Those Kimbers seem iffy. Some shoot well and others don't. I'd hate to drop all that money and get one that won't shoot MOA. Beautiful rifles though.
That is the way I feel as well. Just about as sexy as a rifle comes too and the only production rifle that I like that comes in 338 fed. Too bad they dont have a MOA guarantee.
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If I had the money this would be the one I'd pack.
http://blog.kuiu.com/2013/01/28/boswell-custom-rifle-kuiu-slr-edition/ (http://blog.kuiu.com/2013/01/28/boswell-custom-rifle-kuiu-slr-edition/)
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The kimbers quality control what model? is this internet hear say or have you seen it. ive shot four different and have freinds with them. all great. also have two friends with a browning mountain ti's. truely great guns
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I know a couple kimber buffs for sure. I know as much as it pains them to say it. They have bought a few that do not shoot very well and had to sell them because they could not get what they wanted out of the rifles. I know all rifles can be like this and I have seen it in the winchesters before.
I am a big tikka buff and if you have the scratch save up and by a finnlight sako. Outstanding gun and always great shooters. I also run a a7 and it's a tack driver.
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The kimbers quality control what model? is this internet hear say or have you seen it. ive shot four different and have freinds with them. all great. also have two friends with a browning mountain ti's. truely great guns
You'll see people talking about it on the bigger gun forums a lot. Some shoot good groups and some don't. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they guaranteed MOA. I think anytime you have a pencil thick barrel you run that risk. I know one of our members on here had a Browning mountain ti that wouldn't shoot too. I think those kimber mountain ascent rifles in optifade camo are cool as heck but not if they don't shoot.
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I don't like the look of the Tikka but its hard to argue the fact that they all seem to shoot lights out.
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I don't like the look of the Tikka but its hard to argue the fact that they all seem to shoot lights out.
I agree. I was in scheels today and couldnt get over the look and feel of them, hard to argue there accuracy though.
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I would say its more the shooter than the rifle :dunno:
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I don't like the look of the Tikka but its hard to argue the fact that they all seem to shoot lights out.
Indeed or the very reasonable price you get the accuracy for.
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was always fond of the rem M7.. I had one and let it go, it never shot better than 1.5"@100YDS.. which really aint bad. I have the stainless M70 classic in .308.. it's not a "superlight" mountain rifle. not sure what it weighs with the scope, but it's what i carry when i have to cover a lot of ground. and it's accurate.
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I don't like the look of the Tikka but its hard to argue the fact that they all seem to shoot lights out.
Indeed or the very reasonable price you get the accuracy for.
gona take alot of money to beat a tikka..
id say tikka, kimber, and then something custom
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the tika t3 ultra light looks like alot of bang for thr buck , I like the way my son t3 in 300wsm shoots . the only thing is I don't like the camo stock and all the ultra lights with the fluted barrel i've seen have that stock ?
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Tika T3 Lite----270wsm w/ Redfield 4-12
+1 for the Tikka Lite Stainless in a short action caliber
I have the same gun in stainless with a Leupold VariX III 3.5x10. Awesome mountain gun. If you're really hunting the high country hard, you're going to bang up your stock/barrel a little. I just couldn't bring myself to beat up the wood on my M70 featherweight, so I got this Tikka for the high rocky stuff. I don't care how scratched up the tupperware stock gets, as long as it shoots. I went places with this gun on the High Hunt last Sept that I would never have taken by M70 FWT, and saved a lot of weight to boot.
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For the life of me I can't understand the love affair with the plas-tikka rifles. I don't care how good they shoot they just feel like a cheap pos when I hold one. Having said that I have to agree with an earlier poster to save your pennies and buy a Sako 85 finnlight in 300wsm and never look back. Once you have held one you will never ask to look at the Plas-tikka again. The Savage 111 lightweight in 6.5x284 would be my second choice if you want a more traditional looking rifle. :twocents:
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It's the fact that I don't care about the cheap plastic stock is why I like it for this job. It is the lightest weight, most accurate, and best factory triggered out-of-the-box rifle I own, and out of all of the guns in my stable it has the stock I care the least about dinging up. Perfect combo for a back country rifle - it's a tool, nothing more. I could buy two of these for the cost of a Finnlight 85, and get basically the same barrel, action and trigger. Not into spending another 600-700 for a higher grade stock on a gun I'm going to beat up.
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For the life of me I can't understand the love affair with the plas-tikka rifles. I don't care how good they shoot they just feel like a cheap pos when I hold one. Having said that I have to agree with an earlier poster to save your pennies and buy a Sako 85 finnlight in 300wsm and never look back. Once you have held one you will never ask to look at the Plas-tikka again. The Savage 111 lightweight in 6.5x284 would be my second choice if you want a more traditional looking rifle. :twocents:
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Tikka .243 :tup: :tup:
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I didn't think tikkas had a "true short action"????
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Sorry Skillet but the stock is the least of the differences between a Plas-tikka and a sako 85. If thats what you like then good for you but please dont try to say a tikka is a sako 85 with a shyty stock. Not even close.
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for the price...tikka hands down. i'm glad i got my .300wm tikka over any other gun. sure the sako's were noticeably better built, but the tikka is not a bad gun. they still shoot great and most people won't be shooting outside of 500yds...which the t3 is still accurate at. best would be to put your hands on a few guns and then make a decision. can't shoot something well if it's not comfortable to you.
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For the life of me I can't understand the love affair with the plas-tikka rifles. I don't care how good they shoot.
For many, that's why they buy a particular rifle.
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I'd say a Rem. Mod 700 in the 270 WSM because it blows so much meat up that you'll only have to pack out half of the deer.
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I'd say a Rem. Mod 700 in the 270 WSM because it blows so much meat up that you'll only have to pack out half of the deer.
thats a good way to get bad juju
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I'd say a Rem. Mod 700 in the 270 WSM because it blows so much meat up that you'll only have to pack out half of the deer.
Ummm that would be your bullet choice that blows up the meat, not the cartridge choice.
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:chuckle: :yeah:
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haha agreed, bullet characteristics are huge when it comes to killing something. a bullet that will destroy tissue will do a lot more good in a smaller caliber than a match grade bullet in large caliber that holds it's shape.
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700 SPS stainless 270 $650
McM Hunters Edge $550
bedding job $100
.5 MOA with Nosler's 130 Accubond load and right at your $1300 limit
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700 SPS stainless 270 $650
McM Hunters Edge $550
bedding job $100
.5 MOA with Nosler's 130 Accubond load and right at your $1300 limit
But how much does it weigh?
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Browning xbolt! 6# 9oz!
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Forbes is supposed to be coming out with factory production rifles by March. Suggested retail around $1,400. That might fit the bill in .270 Win or .280 Rem. Link (http://www.forbesriflellc.com/Portals/0/Shot%20Show%202013%20newest.pdf) :tup:
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Forbes is supposed to be coming out with factory production rifles by March. Suggested retail around $1,400. That might fit the bill in .270 Win or .280 Rem. Link (http://www.forbesriflellc.com/Portals/0/Shot%20Show%202013%20newest.pdf) :tup:
They have a few in scheels over here. Pretty cool gun.
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About 7.5lbs scoped which puts it under the 7lb unscoped criteria. The Edge stocks are very light, think mine is 23oz IIRC.
700 SPS stainless 270 $650
McM Hunters Edge $550
bedding job $100
.5 MOA with Nosler's 130 Accubond load and right at your $1300 limit
But how much does it weigh?
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Forbes is supposed to be coming out with factory production rifles by March. Suggested retail around $1,400. That might fit the bill in .270 Win or .280 Rem. Link (http://www.forbesriflellc.com/Portals/0/Shot%20Show%202013%20newest.pdf) :tup:
They have a few in scheels over here. Pretty cool gun.
The Forbes is a high quality rifle but caliber choice is limited. If you want one of the calibers it is offered in, it would be a nice option.
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I agree with the sako 85 finnlight, i went with 300wsm and havent looked back. Did a lot of research
a few years ago on this and this was my choice, maybe not for everybody else. I had a kimber in a
22-250 and it would not shoot anything worth a darn, my m700 would do circles around it.
With a lupi vx3 4.5x14 and sling is under 7lbs. Cal. of your choice but the sako 85 would be my rifle.
Was able to find it for 1167$. Just my nickle.
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for an "out of the box" rifle tikka, but like stated above the remington 700 is the most universal gun to modify on the market. so with a little smith work you could have a great shooting rifle as well. downside would be double the cost of a new tikka...and let's be honest. everyone talks of sub MOA rifles and whatnot, but honestly as long as the rifle can consistently put a bullet in the kill zone from whatever distance you'll be shooting from isn't that really all that matters? a kill shot is a kill shot when it comes to hunting, we don't hunt a paper target to see if we can group 5 shots touching eachother. don't get me wrong obviously the tighter pattern the better, but a lot of error will come from the shooter and not the rifle. regardless rifles these days if treated/maintained correctly will serve a long life and will harvest you many animals.
also something to toss around is the load you're shooting may have something to do with the group you're getting. depending on barrel length, twist rate, bullet weight, powder amount and powder used are just some of the factors that could affect accuracy. on my .338 Lapua just .4gr difference in my reloads i noticed worse accuracy. factory reloads are generally consistent from the company, but a lot could vary too depending on the brand. just my thoughts....whatever rifle you decide to get remember finding the right bullet to shoot is the other half of the accuracy battle.
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Tikka is like buying a good quality tool for the job. Some of us will go buy Pittsburgh brand from harbor freight and hope it works or lasts.....Some of us will buy Snap On and know we have a overpriced excellent quality tool for life.... then some of us will buy Craftsman for excellent quality at a fair price.
TIKKA is a solid out of the box performance tool that will do the job it is designed for, and for many lifetimes.
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Tikka is like buying a good quality tool for the job. Some of us will go buy Pittsburgh brand from harbor freight and hope it works or lasts.....Some of us will buy Snap On and know we have a overpriced excellent quality tool for life.... then some of us will buy Craftsman for excellent quality at a fair price.
TIKKA is a solid out of the box performance tool that will do the job it is designed for, and for many lifetimes.
so since i own all snap on i paid too much? :chuckle: haha they make me a living so it's worth the extra money for the best quality. good analogy though.
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Tikka is like buying a good quality tool for the job. Some of us will go buy Pittsburgh brand from harbor freight and hope it works or lasts.....Some of us will buy Snap On and know we have a overpriced excellent quality tool for life.... then some of us will buy Craftsman for excellent quality at a fair price.
TIKKA is a solid out of the box performance tool that will do the job it is designed for, and for many lifetimes.
so since i own all snap on i paid too much? :chuckle: haha they make me a living so it's worth the extra money for the best quality. good analogy though.
Snap on Rocks I buy Snap On too selectively... just to clarify. I also buy harbor freight when I am only going to use the tool once. But all my rifles I want to shoot more than once and depend on the job it will do. I like your humor Quicksilver.
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Sorry Skillet but the stock is the least of the differences between a Plas-tikka and a sako 85. If thats what you like then good for you but please dont try to say a tikka is a sako 85 with a shyty stock. Not even close.
Well, I didn't say that a tikka is a sako with a bad stock - and I wouldn't say that either as I have owned a Sako AV and am well aware of the differences. It is completely fair to say Sako and Tikka are like Cadillac and Chevrolet. Both made by the same corporation using shared engineering and production resources marketing to different clientele.
To the point of the OP's question, however, I stand by my comments that the Tikka is a much better bang for the buck, and will add that it may in fact be the best rifle for his stated requirements that is currently available OTC.
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looks like I'm gonna go with a weatherby ulta light . above the price limit new . But a member has one at a fair price in .270 win . will top it with a vx3 bdc at 15 oz should come in just under 6 3/4 lbs . looking forward to sending a few sst's down range . thanks for all the input the sako was going to be my next choice . the .338 fedral just falls off to quick and the .270 is a good standby round .
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Will never trade my tikka t3 lite with stainless in 300wsm for anything, it's accurate And doesn't beat you up shooting it... I put a nikon monarch 4-16x42 bdc scope on it with DNZ reaper medium scope mount on it, it's rock solid and light, recommend it any day this set up for a affordable price too... :twocents:
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I've got a damned good one. It started as a Kimber Montana 270 wsm - did not shoot! Screwed a 26" #4.5 Krieger chambered in 7 wsm on it. Added a little aluminum and epoxy to the fore end and now have a shooter. Sub 1/2 MOA gun shooting 168 bergers behind a full case of H1000. Stretched it out to 1100 yards a couple weeks ago - First shot hit on a 18" square plate in a variable 9-14 mph crosswind.
Weighs 9 pounds with a 6.5-20x50 Leupold long range with M1 knobs.
Mine doesn't quite meet the price or weight threshold for this thread, but if a guy could get a used Montana on the cheap; the action/stock is great platform for a premium tube.
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kimber makes a nice rifle as well as cooper ! JJ thats some good shootin.
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I've got a damned good one. It started as a Kimber Montana 270 wsm - did not shoot! Screwed a 26" #4.5 Krieger chambered in 7 wsm on it. Added a little aluminum and epoxy to the fore end and now have a shooter. Sub 1/2 MOA gun shooting 168 bergers behind a full case of H1000. Stretched it out to 1100 yards a couple weeks ago - First shot hit on a 18" square plate in a variable 9-14 mph crosswind.
Weighs 9 pounds with a 6.5-20x50 Leupold long range with M1 knobs.
Mine doesn't quite meet the price or weight threshold for this thread, but if a guy could get a used Montana on the cheap; the action/stock is great platform for a premium tube.
Thread is about a back country rifle. 9 lbs does not qualify in my book. That is why I take the TIKKA and not the 30-378 into the back country.
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I carry and shoot a Savage Lightweight Hunter in 7mm-08 with a Leupold 2.5-8x28 VXIII. My 9 year old son carries and shoots the new Browning Micro-Midas (2012 Shot Show edition) with a Leupold 3-9x40 in 7mm-08. He is a lefty so this was the only real choice for him, but after getting it, I wish I would have got one for myself...both rifles are awesome, especially for the price, which allows you to put on high quality glass for your budget you asked about.
I also re-load and shoot the GMX 139 grn bullet with 45.5 grns of IMR4350...plenty of bullet and speed to kill my 4 point muley and 4 point Toutle bull with one shot each in 2011 (I killed my deer this year with my muzzy...but that is a different story).
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No matter what you get, get what you want, not what everyone else thinks you should get. For a true backcountry rifle, lighter is better, including glass...that way you will want to carry it.
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I've got a damned good one. It started as a Kimber Montana 270 wsm - did not shoot! Screwed a 26" #4.5 Krieger chambered in 7 wsm on it. Added a little aluminum and epoxy to the fore end and now have a shooter. Sub 1/2 MOA gun shooting 168 bergers behind a full case of H1000. Stretched it out to 1100 yards a couple weeks ago - First shot hit on a 18" square plate in a variable 9-14 mph crosswind.
Weighs 9 pounds with a 6.5-20x50 Leupold long range with M1 knobs.
Mine doesn't quite meet the price or weight threshold for this thread, but if a guy could get a used Montana on the cheap; the action/stock is great platform for a premium tube.
Thread is about a back country rifle. 9 lbs does not qualify in my book. That is why I take the TIKKA and not the 30-378 into the back country.
Like I stated, mine doesn't meet the weight threshold, but, you could buy a used Montana, screw a 22-24"
#2 on it, go with some lighter glass, and have a damned fine backcountry rifle for under $1300.
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I've got a damned good one. It started as a Kimber Montana 270 wsm - did not shoot! Screwed a 26" #4.5 Krieger chambered in 7 wsm on it. Added a little aluminum and epoxy to the fore end and now have a shooter. Sub 1/2 MOA gun shooting 168 bergers behind a full case of H1000. Stretched it out to 1100 yards a couple weeks ago - First shot hit on a 18" square plate in a variable 9-14 mph crosswind.
Weighs 9 pounds with a 6.5-20x50 Leupold long range with M1 knobs.
Mine doesn't quite meet the price or weight threshold for this thread, but if a guy could get a used Montana on the cheap; the action/stock is great platform for a premium tube.
Thread is about a back country rifle. 9 lbs does not qualify in my book. That is why I take the TIKKA and not the 30-378 into the back country.
That's it. The law has been laid down. Anyone with a rifle over 9 pounds is not allowed to take it into any wilderness areas.
Hah...I shouldn't expect anything less from dscubame.
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looks like I'm gonna go with a weatherby ulta light . above the price limit new . But a member has one at a fair price in .270 win . will top it with a vx3 bdc at 15 oz should come in just under 6 3/4 lbs . looking forward to sending a few sst's down range . thanks for all the input the sako was going to be my next choice . the .338 fedral just falls off to quick and the .270 is a good standby round .
I run hornady superformance SSTs out of my 270 when deer is on the menu. Best grouping and flatest shooting round ive tried. Some how hornady made that round extremely fast while having reduced recoil? There is a considerable difference in recoil between the superformance and federal premiums 140 grain accubonds. I was actually quite surprised. Ive seen a couple of threads on various forums that ran the superformance through chronies and got close to there claimed velocities as well.
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horandys web site says they use a powder blend ? I really like the sst and I've always had good results with there ammo. The other manufactur i was thinking of was the nosler custum with 140 accubonds .
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I'd say a Rem. Mod 700 in the 270 WSM because it blows so much meat up that you'll only have to pack out half of the deer.
Ummm that would be your bullet choice that blows up the meat, not the cartridge choice.
That's what people keep telling me? I shot a buck in Wa this year with the POS corelokts and blew the heck out of it. So somebody told to use a better bullet, so I did and I blew the hell out of the buck I killed in Idaho this year? I've killed a bear and I think 5 deer with this gun and It has been the same outcome if the bullet touches a bone it turns everything around it to jelly.
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At the velocities that the 270 WSM runs, I pretty much stick to either the TSX or the Accubond. And if I see a deer at 100 yards, I'll sprint 200 yards in the other direction before I shoot to reduce the terminal velocity :chuckle:
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I'd say a Rem. Mod 700 in the 270 WSM because it blows so much meat up that you'll only have to pack out half of the deer.
Ummm that would be your bullet choice that blows up the meat, not the cartridge choice.
I've killed a bear and I think 5 deer with this gun and It has been the same outcome if the bullet touches a bone it turns everything around it to jelly.
Sounds deadly
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I'm not knockin the rifle. It hasn't done me wrong in the harvesting aspect, I'm just sayin that I have had bad experiences with meat waste, and anyone who's ever killed a buck in Tampico knows that there's not much to spare. Backin off to 200 is probably a good idea, I killed the Idaho buck at 20 yds and clipped his front shoulder. It wasn't pretty
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Sako A7, B&C stock .308 6.5lbs, Guaranteed 5 shot moa. Put a Nightforce on it and you can't go wrong.
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What other bullet did you try? I agree with trying a TSX or Accubonds. They will do a better job of staying together. Hitting bone is tough on bullets though.
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I'm pretty much in the same boat that Coach is in. I've now watching the online auction sites for a Remington 700 Ti. Easy to tweak if you don't get the results that you want, with plenty of options. I've been seeing a few right at your $$ limit. :twocents:
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What other bullet did you try? I agree with trying a TSX or Accubonds. They will do a better job of staying together. Hitting bone is tough on bullets though.
I'd have to look at the box, but I paid upwards of $50 for the box and I'm pretty sure that they were a bonded bullet
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I'm not knockin the rifle. It hasn't done me wrong in the harvesting aspect, I'm just sayin that I have had bad experiences with meat waste, and anyone who's ever killed a buck in Tampico knows that there's not much to spare. Backin off to 200 is probably a good idea, I killed the Idaho buck at 20 yds and clipped his front shoulder. It wasn't pretty
A 100% copper bullet like the Barnes will help, and you could also go to a heavier bullet like a 150, so the velocity won't be quite so much.
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I've got a damned good one. It started as a Kimber Montana 270 wsm - did not shoot! Screwed a 26" #4.5 Krieger chambered in 7 wsm on it. Added a little aluminum and epoxy to the fore end and now have a shooter. Sub 1/2 MOA gun shooting 168 bergers behind a full case of H1000. Stretched it out to 1100 yards a couple weeks ago - First shot hit on a 18" square plate in a variable 9-14 mph crosswind.
Weighs 9 pounds with a 6.5-20x50 Leupold long range with M1 knobs.
Mine doesn't quite meet the price or weight threshold for this thread, but if a guy could get a used Montana on the cheap; the action/stock is great platform for a premium tube.
:dunno: Sounds like Jack has an axe to grind and putting words in my mouth. :dunno:
Thread is about a back country rifle. 9 lbs does not qualify in my book. That is why I take the TIKKA and not the 30-378 into the back country.
That's it. The law has been laid down. Anyone with a rifle over 9 pounds is not allowed to take it into any wilderness areas.
Hah...I shouldn't expect anything less from dscubame.
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At the velocities that the 270 WSM runs, I pretty much stick to either the TSX or the Accubond. And if I see a deer at 100 yards, I'll sprint 200 yards in the other direction before I shoot to reduce the terminal velocity :chuckle:
This is funny............and a good idea. :) :chuckle:
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I'd rather shoot a bullet that has a large expansion factor and pocket shoot and run the chance of hitting bone and making a mess vs a heavy cooper ratio bullet that will just punch right through with minimal trama . I know that outta my 30-378 the 180 x bullets just punch right through the pocket at 300 yards . the sst's are a good ballance
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I have shot a whole lot of pronghorns with a .25 caliber 100 grain TSX leaving the muzzle at 3600 ft/second. I've never experienced significant meat destruction, nor any "pencil through" problems. The bullet expands, penetrates, and exits. Perfect performance in my book.
I've also shot a lot of antelope with a 270 WSM and 130 grain TSX bullets. Same results: no problems whatsoever.
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I have shot a whole lot of pronghorns with a .25 caliber 100 grain TSX leaving the muzzle at 3600 ft/second.
That is a hotrod, Bob. .257 Roy, I presume? How long of a tube do you need to get that velocity?
What other bullet did you try? I agree with trying a TSX or Accubonds. They will do a better job of staying together. Hitting bone is tough on bullets though.
I'd have to look at the box, but I paid upwards of $50 for the box and I'm pretty sure that they were a bonded bullet
Sounds like the Federal Premium Accubonds to me. Orange box, right? I have to say, I'm surprised that happened - but if it was shock trauma due to the shot being at 20 yards I don't know anything would have helped, except not hitting that bone. 130 grains at 3200 FPS (muzzle) is nothing to sneeze at.
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I have shot a whole lot of pronghorns with a .25 caliber 100 grain TSX leaving the muzzle at 3600 ft/second.
That is a hotrod, Bob. .257 Roy, I presume? How long of a tube do you need to get that velocity?
Yes; I have a 26" barrel on it.
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I think they were the accubonds. I'll have to try em this year at a further distance to give em a fair shake. Those corelokts are absolute garbage though, I wouldn't shoot a lame horse with those things
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I think if you shoot a deer in the shoulder with most fairly quick calibers theres going to be a considerable amount of blood shot. I shoot a 270 and always take shoulder shots because it drops them right there and I prefer to not track. Ive taken deer with ssts, accubonds, partitions, coreloks fusions and the cheap federal blue box ammo (prolly some others im forgetting) all with shoulder shots, and most of the shoulder meat was blood shot in the majority of cases. It doesnt bother me all too much because there isnt a lot of meat there and the deer dies quickly with out running off. Its a trade off ill take that some might not agree with.
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Those corelokts are absolute garbage though
:yeah:
A lot of people swear by them though. I'm not sure why the love for them, but there certainly are better built bullets out there.
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I've heard bad things about core locks , but at slow velocity's they do fine . I shoot them outta a .260 with a 16in barrel , four deer 200 yards and under DRT one shot kills . I'm sure a Berger at 3000 fps would have similar results
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SAKO finnlight is a little over your budget, however I picked mine up for $1400 you'll will not be disapointed
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I'd put a marlin xl7 up against anyone's tikka any day of the week! :chuckle:
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When and where.
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When and where.
:yeah:
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:IBCOOL:
When and where.
:yeah:
We gotta teach these rookie marlin guys who makes good guns.
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:IBCOOL:When and where.
:yeah:
We gotta teach these rookie marlin guys who makes good guns.
i have 4 tikka t3's and love everyone of them. For the money I don't think they can be beat.
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:IBCOOL:When and where.
:yeah:
We gotta teach these rookie marlin guys who makes good guns.
i have 4 tikka t3's and love everyone of them. For the money I don't think they can be beat.
Amen brotha.
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Just picked up a Savage 16 in .260, they say 6.9 for weight and $700.00 before tax.
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Damm I just wanted to post # 100 ohwell my deal is just about done . should be a sweet lil set up.
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you will like the 260 !
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Those corelokts are absolute garbage though
:yeah:
A lot of people swear by them though. I'm not sure why the love for them, but there certainly are better built bullets out there.
I saw an article a few months back, pretty sure it was in Eastmans, comparing a number of different bullets against various measurables and hunting qualities. As I recall, the corelokt faired surprisingly well. :dunno:
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CoreLokts generally work well if used within certain parameters: moderate velocity (2000-3000 ft/second), deer sized animals or smaller, broadside shots. I've killed several deer with them. They are not considered a premium bullet but work fine within reasonable constraints.
Even though I have used them successfully, I would not choose them under most circumstances since there are better options.
I really don't understand the "they're cheaper" argument for most hunting situations. Hunters will spend hundreds on licenses and fees, hundreds on travel costs, and complain about a premium bullet that costs $2. The bullet is the only item that kills the animal you've spent hundreds on.
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I'm with you bob , For the life of me I can't see why guys get cheap over a few bucks in the scope of a hunt .
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Why is there a weight restriction on this "backcountry" rifle topic? I consider that to mean whatever rifle you can or want to pack in and hunt with. In which case is my .338 edge :) scoped weight of 12lbs, 300gr Berger VLD @ 2950fps, 4" groups at 900 yards. I'll put that up against anybody's Tikka, any day.
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Why is there a weight restriction on this "backcountry" rifle topic? I consider that to mean whatever rifle you can or want to pack in and hunt with. In which case is my .338 edge :) scoped weight of 12lbs, 300gr Berger VLD @ 2950fps, 4" groups at 900 yards. I'll put that up against anybody's Tikka, any day.
Because the Original post asked.
"The criteria is less than 7lbs without scope"
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I have a 13 lbs long range system . I was looking for a package that one would want to cary into the back country .
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Remington model 700 Mountain Rifle
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Remington model 700 Mountain Rifle
Nice rifle but probably not "the most accurate" until a guy puts some work and more money into it.
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I have a 13 lbs long range system . I was looking for a package that one would want to cary into the back country .
You could have Kris carry your 13 lb'er for you. He said he would. I swear it.
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About 7.5lbs scoped which puts it under the 7lb unscoped criteria. The Edge stocks are very light, think mine is 23oz IIRC.
700 SPS stainless 270 $650
McM Hunters Edge $550
bedding job $100
.5 MOA with Nosler's 130 Accubond load and right at your $1300 limit
But how much does it weigh?
i just sold one that weighed 7.5 lbs without a scope or ammo, I've never seen a stock SPS that didn't weigh at least 7.25 lbs bare. :twocents:
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Forbes is supposed to be coming out with factory production rifles by March. Suggested retail around $1,400. That might fit the bill in .270 Win or .280 Rem. Link (http://www.forbesriflellc.com/Portals/0/Shot%20Show%202013%20newest.pdf) :tup:
They have a few in scheels over here. Pretty cool gun.
The Forbes is a high quality rifle but caliber choice is limited. If you want one of the calibers it is offered in, it would be a nice option.
I agree. I actually think that the new Forbes rifle is a bargain at the prices they are being offered for what the quality is going to be (assuming they are close to the quality of NULA rifles). I imagine that once they start becoming more well known and demand goes up, they will increase the prices. They will also have a better selection of cartridges that they are chambered in.
I've drooled over the NULA rifles for years, and now Forbes is finally coming out with an "inexpensive" version of those. Wish I could justify spending the money right now...........(okay, I probably can justify it (safer than buying stocks, or putting money in the bank)......just need to convince the wife....... 8)
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Just checked out Forbes' website. Really doesn't look overly expensive for what you get - but good lord, I hope he can build a better rifle than he does a website and catalog. I couldn't find barrel length anywhere. Anybody know what it is for each caliber? :dunno:
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About 7.5lbs scoped which puts it under the 7lb unscoped criteria. The Edge stocks are very light, think mine is 23oz IIRC.
700 SPS stainless 270 $650
McM Hunters Edge $550
bedding job $100
.5 MOA with Nosler's 130 Accubond load and right at your $1300 limit
But how much does it weigh?
i just sold one that weighed 7.5 lbs without a scope or ammo, I've never seen a stock SPS that didn't weigh at least 7.25 lbs bare. :twocents:
Was that factory tupperware or with the graphite construction McMillan Hunter's Edge stock?
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That was out of the box with the B&C stock, I didn't realize you changed yours out. I thought your $550 price was some kind of scope.
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How much weight do those stocks reduce over standard tupperware stocks?
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ok Sealed the deal . I picked up a mark v ultra light from birdwacker in .270 for 1050.00 with talley rings . had a ton of a/c delco points good at cabellas . plus a few christmas gift cards and the leupold vx3 4x14 is in hand . should be a good combo and system will be right at 6.75lbs .
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Sweet set up, man. Did birdwacker have some loads worked up for it?
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Just checked out Forbes' website. Really doesn't look overly expensive for what you get - but good lord, I hope he can build a better rifle than he does a website and catalog. I couldn't find barrel length anywhere. Anybody know what it is for each caliber? :dunno:
I'm not sure......sounds like 24". Here is what I read in an article (http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/forbes-rifle-model-24b-review/) :
"Whereas NULA uses Douglas barrels—customer-selected for material, length, contour and twist rate, all of which significantly contribute to the rifles’ $3,100 starting price—no such options are available from Forbes Rifle LLC. The Model 24Bs will feature standardized 24-inch, sporter-contour Bulldog barrels, though the test gun, serial No. 11-00001, had a 23-inch version"
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Thanks Curly - I'm glad to see they're not shaving weight by going to a 20" tube
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The edge stocks can be from, IIRC, 21-24oz depending on action length, BLD/ADL style, barrel contour cutout, etc.
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just hornady superperformance sst's
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The only true light weight that I've shot is a .260 Nula. Very accurate but does take a little getting used to shooting such a light rifle. It is for sale. ;)
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Remington model 700 Mountain Rifle
Nice rifle but probably not "the most accurate" until a guy puts some work and more money into it.
Not the most accurate, but plenty accurate at about 1" at 100 yards with factory .270 Win 150 grain NPs. At $700 used with decent glass and at about 7 lbs., a man would be hard pressed to complain.
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for the use I intend moa is fine . quality glass is important and the bdc with wind hold it should be a good set up for droping one into the pump station . I really regret getting rid of my last .270 and ever since a kid reading Jack Oconnors big game hunts I've been a fan of them . I really concidered a .260 but all the lighter rifles I found in that caliber had 20 inch pipes .
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So here's the setup mark v ultra light .270 with a vx3 4.5x14 . I know the buget on the thread was $1300 , after trades and sales along with a bunch of cabellas points i'm in her under the budget with the scope , pretty good for a package that would be $2800.00 new . after dissasemblly and a bit of sanding on the stock along with a few drops of lock tight she's ready to play .
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oh yeah 6.7 lbs on the nose !
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Savage 116 in '06. 6.9 pounds undressed. Not the lightest, but meets the criteria. Was under $575.00 at Bi-mart a year ago. Very accurate. Almost 2 pounds lighter than my last girl was.
I agree that exploding meat is a result of shot misplacement, as much as anything usually. Took a move in from a big deer state hunting several years ago. He complained that we had such small deer when he only had 30 pounds of meat after butchering. He forgot that he put a 180 grain '06 through the the center of the front quarters, one through the breadbasket and one dead center of the hind quarters. All three were through and throughs.
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Congrats. She's a beauty.
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Remington model 700 Mountain Rifle
Definitely agree on the Remington 700 Mountain. Have one in 30-06. I would also add a Sako L579 Mannlicher in .308 that I've used for years (thanks to John Wootters, may he rest in peace). That Sako is an absolute joy to pack all day. Both make lightweight companions. :tup:
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my buddy has a 116 in 300 wm . accurized it and put a break on it . shoots like a dream with 180sst's .
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So here's the setup mark v ultra light .270 with a vx3 4.5x14 . I know the buget on the thread was $1300 , after trades and sales along with a bunch of cabellas points i'm in her under the budget with the scope , pretty good for a package that would be $2800.00 new . after dissasemblly and a bit of sanding on the stock along with a few drops of lock tight she's ready to play .
Just wondering why you sanded the stock :dunno: I read somewhere that weatherby found they shot better without free floating the barrel.
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It had contact on the right side at the tip of the stock wasn't even contact. the rest of the barel floated . thats all could have been a slight warpage in the stock . Every rifle i've had has been floated with good results . on a quick two or three shot sequence i'm sure it wasn't enough to cause an issue . I wasn't looking to modify it just found the erratic contact while cleaning and loc tighting the screws and checking for any saftey issues . i'm sure wheatherby didn't intend the contact I was seeing on the stock . Overall very pleased with the craftsmanship of the rifle. I couldn't blieve how light the stock is on this rifle . gonna be carefull not to store it with wieht on the fore end.
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It had contact on the right side at the tip of the stock wasn't even contact. the rest of the barel floated . thats all could have been a slight warpage in the stock . Every rifle i've had has been floated with good results . on a quick two or three shot sequence i'm sure it wasn't enough to cause an issue . I wasn't looking to modify it just found the erratic contact while cleaning and loc tighting the screws and checking for any saftey issues . i'm sure wheatherby didn't intend the contact I was seeing on the stock . Overall very pleased with the craftsmanship of the rifle. I couldn't blieve how light the stock is on this rifle . gonna be carefull not to store it with wieht on the fore end.
I'm sure your going to like how it shoots.
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I'm sure thanks birdwacker. The resurch I've done on free floating from shooting experts , that on barells lees than number three contour wheatherby doesn't float . they also say that they re comend free floating simply for long range shoots where the slightest contact can cause a shot to sail' . Tikka floats there light weight barells and they shoot very well. so honestly it may not help any but i don't think it will effect the accuracy adversely either .
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Nice looking setup, coach.
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It looks like I'm gonna have to pull a multi season permit gotta get the use outta some of these rifles and I just can't give up the sharp sticks . i've just about completed my gun safe . here's the coverage and cals . .17hmr savage bull barell, ruger m77 .260, mark v ultra light .270, rem 700 custom long range 6.5x284. and a sako trg in 30-378. , still have my mauser 98 from when i was a kid (sentimental) I'd like to ad a big bore in the future but africa is not in the cards in the near future so i still have time . I've had many rifles but will say this group should cover most any hunters needs. WHATS YOUR SET ?
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Coach, I just googled the sako trg in 30-378. I have the Weatherby 30-378 but would love to have the detacheable mag and trigger upgrade. Do you know if what you have is a upgraded base model or do you have to buy it that way from Sako only. Am I even making sense?
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Remington Model 7 in 7mm-08, light, short, and knocks em flat every time! :tup:
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my trg came with the detachible mag . Wyatts my have a mag kit for the wheatherby though . What model is your 30-378 ?
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my trg came with the detachable mag . Wyatts my have a mag kit for the wheatherby though . What model is your 30-378 ?
A detachable mag would be nice I will have to look into that. Thanks for the info.
Model is a Mark V Accumark.
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It looks like I'm gonna have to pull a multi season permit gotta get the use outta some of these rifles and I just can't give up the sharp sticks . i've just about completed my gun safe . here's the coverage and cals . .17hmr savage bull barell, ruger m77 .260, mark v ultra light .270, rem 700 custom long range 6.5x284. and a sako trg in 30-378. , still have my mauser 98 from when i was a kid (sentimental) I'd like to ad a big bore in the future but africa is not in the cards in the near future so i still have time . I've had many rifles but will say this group should cover most any hunters needs. WHATS YOUR SET ?
pretty sure the sako trg 22 is only .308 and the trg 42 is only .300wm and .338lm. they don't offer a .30-378.
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Sure they do.
http://www.sako.fi/oldmodels.php?trg-s
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Sure they do.
http://www.sako.fi/oldmodels.php?trg-s (http://www.sako.fi/oldmodels.php?trg-s)
well i stand corrected :sry:...i'm so caught up in the current and future market that i never check old discontinued models haha, honestly didn't know about this older trg, I've never heard anybody talk about it, it's always the trg 42....little different looking than my trg that's for sure! 30-378 would be a cool caliber to still have around though. although with the lapua tossed in there's not really any point.
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mine is a site deleated barell in 26 in . pretty plain , blued with a synthetic stock . very good shooter how ever .
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Give wheatherbys custum shop a call they offer a drop box trigger gaurd setup . custumer service is 1 800 227-2023.