Hunting Washington Forum
Other Hunting => Bird Dogs => Topic started by: Tman on February 02, 2013, 09:46:44 PM
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I have a 5mo old gwp that im planning on kenneling for some training this spring; i was thinking about using dunfur kennels in Cheney. I just found out there is a facility closer to home, burlington ranch. Doe any of you guys have knowledge of the trainers and theyre process? Really just looking for known info, not hearsay. Any info would be appreciated.
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Your choices would be RJ Marquart in Moses Lake or Dan at Dunfur. I'm not aware of a pointing dog trainer at Burlington Ranch unless it was Ryan Fortier? I think he trains an occasional pointer. As far as I know he mainly trains retrievers. Call and make an appointment with each trainer. You're about to drop some cash so, you should research the facility and see how your dog will be boarded and trained for the $$ you drop.
You have a name of who is training pointers at Burlington?
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From what i understand is that Burlington is good for a do it yourself training situation. They have a good set up with a couple ponds and they raise birds. They where recommended by my breeder for that purpose. :twocents:
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I recomend Dan too, I have met him training several times and shot sporting clays with him. You'll never see such a good shot and I like the way he trains and conditions dogs.
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I have heard good things about Dan, but have heard that his focus is mainly trial dogs. I have been told by a few I trust that if I want my dog to hunt close, dunfur isnt the best option. Just want to make sure I have a good feel for these programs before I drop some cash.
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The amount of run is in the genetics of the breeding IMO.And being as such,only so many pups in a litter are going to be big goers, in breeding for performance you strive to have cookie cutter type product,when you get more of what you want your achieving what you set out to do,if you want strong natural pointing instinct you do your best to double up two individuals that outwardly express that trait,same for retrieving,confirmation.The more traits you desire that you can double up on increases your chances of getting what you want.Big runners are not big runners because of how the parents run,they are big runners because of independance and that independance is in between the ears,not in the legs.In a litter of pups you can see which ones are independant by how far they wander from the pack,you can also see which pups are clingons because they are underfoot.Some dogs that may not be run offs become run offs due to hammering on them training with the beat punch and kick method or my favorite pet peeve,e collar fixes it all.And then that gets blamed on the FT blood in the 4th 5th generation of the pedigree.
Trainers don't "Make" trial dogs,Trial dogs are born IMO.
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The amount of run is in the genetics of the breeding IMO.And being as such,only so many pups in a litter are going to be big goers, in breeding for performance you strive to have cookie cutter type product,when you get more of what you want your achieving what you set out to do,if you want strong natural pointing instinct you do your best to double up two individuals that outwardly express that trait,same for retrieving,confirmation.The more traits you desire that you can double up on increases your chances of getting what you want.Big runners are not big runners because of how the parents run,they are big runners because of independance and that independance is in between the ears,not in the legs.In a litter of pups you can see which ones are independant by how far they wander from the pack,you can also see which pups are clingons because they are underfoot.Some dogs that may not be run offs become run offs due to hammering on them training with the beat punch and kick method or my favorite pet peeve,e collar fixes it all.And then that gets blamed on the FT blood in the 4th 5th generation of the pedigree.
Trainers don't "Make" trial dogs,Trial dogs are born IMO.
:yeah: spot on.
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I know Mark who owns Burlington, he has a good setup, I have a GSP that I have hunted there on pheasants. Mark also seemed to me to be an honest guy, I would just give him a call and ask him if he is currently set up for what you need. I think he will be honest with you.
I was thinking of having him do a little tuneup on my GSP just to keep her going good, my hounds have had far more attention this winter than my pointer has had, so was considering having him take her for a month or so.
Let me know if you need his phone or email. :tup:
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There is SO much misinformation when it comes to "trial" trainers and big running dogs. Before I sent my dog off to a "trial" trainer to be trained as my hunting dog, I asked him if he could comfortably hunt his trial dogs, even the big running ones. His response was "every single one of them". When we found out my dog was going to have what it takes to be a trial dog, the trainer offered to give me a pup to hunt with so I could leave my trial dog with him all year. That wasn't what I wanted, but I called my dad he was offered the trial "dropout". During her first summer at camp in SD the trainer called me telling me that we all screwed up with the "dropout". She was perfectly happy hanging at 900 yards on the GPS, had an awesome nose, and looked like a million bucks on point. That same dog that would have made a great All Age Field trial dog is now just a hunting dog who is perfectly happy at 50-150 yards. You can bring a dog in, but you can't necessarily push them out. ANY decent trainer should be able to train the dog exactly how you want. I'd pick a trial trainer over just a hunting dog trainer every day.
