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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Fishaholic on February 04, 2013, 09:47:52 PM

Title: home defence shotgun?
Post by: Fishaholic on February 04, 2013, 09:47:52 PM: i got a pump action mossberg 500. first round is a 3 inch #4 buckshot. next is a 1 oz slug. follwed by 2-3/4 inch buckshot then slug then buckshot ect. think the 3 inch # 4 is to much for home defence? i mean my #6 steel shot pokes a nice 2 and a half round hole threw plywood at 15 feet and thats the longest shot i will have to take in my house
Title: home defence shotgun?
Post by: sirmissalot on February 04, 2013, 10:19:32 PM: There is no such thing as too much in my opinion. If it comes down to it, I want that guy as dead as I can get him.

Mines fully loaded with 3 inch 15 pellet 00 buck, except for the last one is a 2 3/4 9 pellet because it wouldn't fit another 3 incher.
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Post by: KFhunter on February 04, 2013, 10:20:14 PM: 6 shot would be a plenty at those ranges, and it wouldn't travel through your drywall so bad.

a slug goes a long ways through walls
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Post by: KFhunter on February 04, 2013, 10:23:39 PM: If you gotta have buckshot, you could go to the low recoil stuff. It'll still be plenty.

I've shot lots of it, and it's got a good wallop still.
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Post by: Fishaholic on February 04, 2013, 10:49:38 PM: honestly i rather have a intruder with half of his face and or head splattered on my wall and lots of clean up then him hurt my family.
Title: home defence shotgun?
Post by: sirmissalot on February 04, 2013, 10:51:27 PM: KFhunter has a good point though about bullets traveling through walls and harming others, including family. I'll stick to buckshot but something to think about for sure.
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Post by: RadSav on February 04, 2013, 11:38:47 PM: 8 or 9 shot if you have kids in the house. Safest you can get if you shot a wall going to their bedroom. If just the spouse and yourself #4 or 5. Even with a straight tube at distances you will use in a house it's pattern is going to be very tight.
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Post by: Fishaholic on February 04, 2013, 11:41:43 PM: over penatration is not a good thing in a home defence situation. good call switching to all buckshot. our bedrooms are right next to each other and there is only one way in and thats past my room and i have a shot from my bedroom door to the front door and i have 3 locks on my doors and i live in a upstairs apt. so maybe i should use birdshot.
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Post by: jaymark6655 on February 05, 2013, 05:24:00 AM: At 15 feet #8 2-3/4 will go through an interior wall and rip a gallon milk jug with water wide open. Some of the pellets will pass throught the water jug, but most are stopped by that. Someday I will post the video, I shot it because all the test I have seen where at 30 feet and most houses don't have 30 foot rooms.
Basically, just about everything will go through walls and hurt someone on the other side.
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Post by: CP on February 05, 2013, 03:10:00 PM: from http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm)

"Two things to keep in mind about birdshot. The first is that birdshot is as lethal as buckshot at very close range. Don't believe for a second that you can just wound someone with birdshot and he'll go on to live another day. If you aren't justified in killing a man, you aren't justified in wounding him, either. Never shoot to wound. I once again direct you to read Ayoob's In the Gravest Extreme and learn the truth.

The second thing is that birdshot can make a lot of sense for home defense. I keep my home-defense 12 gauge loaded with two #4 birdshot rounds followed by 00 buck. Birdshot is less likely to penetrate multiple interior walls and kill innocent people on the other side and has lower recoil than buckshot for faster follow-up shots (I live in a thin-walled apartment house. However, if I lived in a solid house with a lot of land around, I would definitely choose buckshot instead). The stopping power of birdshot should not be under-estimated: at ranges out to thirty feet or so, birdshot is virtually a solid column of lead. Choose any #4 or BB high brass lead hunting load. I like the Federal Classic Lead Hi-Brass #4 birdshot (HI26-4) and Winchester Super-X #4 high brass birdshot (X12-4), but there is little difference between the various choices. Buy whichever you please. If you're a bird hunter, use your favorite hunting shells, as long as they are #6 or larger."

That being said, I won’t use 7 ½ or 8 shot. I went through the shooting of the hat ritual when I shot my first 25 straight in trap. About 15 guys were blazing away at my hat at about 30 feet and many of the pellets lodged in the fabric of the brim. That’s not the penetration that I want in a HD load.
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Post by: Fishaholic on February 05, 2013, 03:43:00 PM: no kidding i want a hole not just a bit of penatration.
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Post by: jaymark6655 on February 05, 2013, 04:37:55 PM: Here is the video as promised. Next time I think I should put a watermelon in some blue jeans and see what happens.
http://youtu.be/1Yq78Il2nis (http://youtu.be/1Yq78Il2nis)
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Post by: Fishaholic on February 05, 2013, 04:48:31 PM: didnt know that. almost seams birdshot is better then slugs at close ranges
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Post by: RadSav on February 05, 2013, 05:41:09 PM: I would like to see that with the water jug a bit further away from the wall as most occupants of the house will not be up against it. It is nice to know if an assailant is up against the wall you may still have some options with birdshot. I'd still be more comfortable with birdshot in a home invasion than buck shot if I had children in the house.
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: jaymark6655 on February 05, 2013, 05:57:49 PM: Quote from: RadSav on February 05, 2013, 05:41:09 PM
I would like to see that with the water jug a bit further away from the wall as most occupants of the house will not be up against it. It is nice to know if an assailant is up against the wall you may still have some options with birdshot. I'd still be more comfortable with birdshot in a home invasion than buck shot if I had children in the house.
Yeah, when I was setting this up I didn't think it would go through. Based on what people had said about 30 feet, I though it would go through one side and bounce off kind of like 5.56 does to a cinder block. How far do you think I should put the "person" from the wall?

I have a few birdshot followed by some slugs. I also like to keep a loaded AR right next to it so I have options.
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: RadSav on February 05, 2013, 06:41:40 PM: Quote from: jaymark6655 on February 05, 2013, 05:57:49 PM
Quote from: RadSav on February 05, 2013, 05:41:09 PM
I would like to see that with the water jug a bit further away from the wall as most occupants of the house will not be up against it. It is nice to know if an assailant is up against the wall you may still have some options with birdshot. I'd still be more comfortable with birdshot in a home invasion than buck shot if I had children in the house.
Yeah, when I was setting this up I didn't think it would go through. Based on what people had said about 30 feet, I though it would go through one side and bounce off kind of like 5.56 does to a cinder block. How far do you think I should put the "person" from the wall?

I have a few birdshot followed by some slugs. I also like to keep a loaded AR right next to it so I have options.

Probably not too far since most beds and cribs are located rather close to a wall. But would be interesting to see how 3 to 4 feet changes things. :dunno:
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: Fishaholic on February 05, 2013, 06:54:39 PM: Quote from: jaymark6655 on February 05, 2013, 05:57:49 PM
Quote from: RadSav on February 05, 2013, 05:41:09 PM
I would like to see that with the water jug a bit further away from the wall as most occupants of the house will not be up against it. It is nice to know if an assailant is up against the wall you may still have some options with birdshot. I'd still be more comfortable with birdshot in a home invasion than buck shot if I had children in the house.
Yeah, when I was setting this up I didn't think it would go through. Based on what people had said about 30 feet, I though it would go through one side and bounce off kind of like 5.56 does to a cinder block. How far do you think I should put the "person" from the wall?

I have a few birdshot followed by some slugs. I also like to keep a loaded AR right next to it so I have options.

butstroke a hole in your wall and shoot threw the other wall into the bad guy????
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 05, 2013, 07:02:18 PM: Bottom line is, if you are going to shoot someone in your home, make sure you kill him. If he lives, he WILL sue you.
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: Fishaholic on February 06, 2013, 04:41:09 PM: Quote from: Heredoggydoggy on February 05, 2013, 07:02:18 PM
Bottom line is, if you are going to shoot someone in your home, make sure you kill him. If he lives, he WILL sue you.

yeah if you shoot him and he dosent go down shoot him again. nothing wrong with a double tap :-)
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: jasnt on February 07, 2013, 09:11:48 PM: Hell at 15 ft a target load would be fatal. In my option 3"mags kick hard in my pa-459. Makes it more difficult to make a good follow up shot plus those big pellets will fly threw your walls. #6 or #4 would be plenty imo
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Post by: coachcw on February 07, 2013, 09:24:48 PM: I'd rather have 2 3/4 4's over a slug . no need for a slug in a home defence situation . if you have a child in the house you may want to cocider melomien on the bedroom walls plus its easy to clean up the crayon marks .
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: hillbilli on February 08, 2013, 01:30:47 AM: I have a bunch of old 2 3/4" lead BB.. fairly effective at close range.. small shot does reduce wall penetration, but any 12 ga load will penetrate sheetrock walls. I believe centurion still makes the buck and ball load..
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: longstevo on February 08, 2013, 01:44:04 AM: I've got a Hawk (Remington 870 knock off) 12 gauge loaded with buckshot. I think that'll do nicely in case its needed.
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: jyerxa on February 08, 2013, 04:58:52 PM: How about using this. Some one else posted it earlier. ;)

"Splitshell" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsOVM3372OE#ws)
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:01:53 PM: In all honesty, If you can get your hands on them. Not sure if they are legal in this state, but BOLO rounds would be the most lethal. Theyre made to destroy destroy destroy.
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:06:48 PM: Have at it! lol
Shotgun Bolo Round - Medical Damage Analysis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM10EL5WmC4#ws)
Title: Re: home defence shotgun?
Post by: jyerxa on February 08, 2013, 05:08:10 PM: This?

Testing Shotgun MINISLUGS and BOLO Rounds (slow motion) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEEQQ16c0qA#ws)
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Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:10:16 PM: Quote from: jyerxa on February 08, 2013, 05:08:10 PM
This?

Testing Shotgun MINISLUGS and BOLO Rounds (slow motion) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEEQQ16c0qA#ws)
Thats a variation of home made ones but they have official ones I posted in that video. No Idea where you would get them though. It will grab bones and physically rip them out of your body if not break them.