Post by: jpharcher on February 06, 2013, 07:27:54 AM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1703.pdf (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1703.pdf)
link fixed
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 06, 2013, 07:39:02 AM
Post by: arees on February 06, 2013, 07:41:42 AM
Post by: jpharcher on February 06, 2013, 07:52:48 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 06, 2013, 08:16:57 AM
As a voting constituent, Master Hunter, gun owner, military veteran, and Hunter Education instructor for the State of Washington, I am opposed to HB 1703, which would tax guns and ammunition in WA. This bill has been introduced, supposedly as a safety measure, in tandem with efforts across the country to exploit the recent tragedies of Sandy Hook Elementary School and the shooting at the theater in Aurora, Co., to make it more difficult for us citizens to exercise our rights under the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution and Section 24 of the WA State Constitution.
Plenty of resources are currently available which offer hunter education and gun safety. The Scouts and the NRA offer gun safety courses, as does our Department of Fish & Wildlife in the manner of Hunter Education. Private companies also offer firearms safety and training courses. Local police will teach you safe gun handling and recommend storage techniques and free gun locks. For our state to start another program which it will need to fund and operate is redundant and unnecessary. The extremely few safety-related firearm accidents that happen each year in our state represent an incredibly tiny portion of the population and many could be prevented by enforcing existing statutes regarding firearm access to minors and safe storage of firearms.
Please join me in opposing this bill. I look forward to hearing back from you regarding your intentions. Thank you for your attention to my comments and your service to our community.
John W
Vancouver, WA
Post by: bearpaw on February 06, 2013, 08:20:54 AM
Post by: Cascade_fisher on February 06, 2013, 08:21:17 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 06, 2013, 08:31:47 AM
jamie.pedersen@leg.wa.gov; drew.hansen@leg.wa.gov; jay.rodne@leg.wa.gov; steve.oban@leg.wa.gov; roger.goodman@leg.wa.gov; mike.hope@leg.wa.gov; laurie.jinkins@leg.wa.gov; steve.kirby@leg.wa.gov; brad.klippert@leg.wa.gov; terry.nealey@leg.wa.gov; tina.orwall@leg.wa.gov; maryhelen.roberts@leg.wa.gov; matt.shea@leg.wa.gov
Post by: CP on February 06, 2013, 08:37:08 AM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1703&year=2013 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1703&year=2013)
Post by: Cap.Silver on February 06, 2013, 08:39:47 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 06, 2013, 09:28:39 AM
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2013, 09:30:08 AM
Post by: Oldguy on February 06, 2013, 10:18:26 AM
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2013, 10:24:25 AM
The new response system is much easier to use than the old one. One place and your comments go to the places it needs to. I'd bet that the money from this fraudulent program would help build Lake Washington Bridges instead of promoting firearm safety.But they are proposing a new toll for the I-90 bridge to pay for that. :chuckle:
Post by: Bofire on February 06, 2013, 10:33:27 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 06, 2013, 10:35:27 AM
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2013, 10:42:57 AM
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having a firearm in the house also puts an abused woman at greater risk of being killed
This is a classic example of our government leaders looking to drive their agenda rather than seek effective solutions. Rather than tax ammunition and gun sales to remove the risk for these women, why not incarcerate the abusive person that poses the risk?
Post by: duckmen1 on February 06, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
That's how I feel about part of the bill
Post by: smdave on February 06, 2013, 12:06:37 PM
6 (b) Fifteen dollars for every firearm sold at retail if a gun safe
7 or a gun lock is purchased at the time of sale with a firearm.
But here is the kicker, it says Top of page 4.
1 (a) "Ammunition" means cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or
2 propellant powder designed for use in any firearm.
So does that mean .01C for every primer, and bullet. Grain of powder?
Post by: bearpaw on February 06, 2013, 12:12:57 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 06, 2013, 12:24:27 PM
All this bologna is about to convince me to move to another "smarter and more friendly" state.
Sorry, you can't.
You own "Hunt-Washington." :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on February 06, 2013, 12:25:31 PM
Post by: buckfvr on February 06, 2013, 12:27:01 PM
All this bologna is about to convince me to move to another "smarter and more friendly" state.
Idaho is close, and becoming more and more appealing. :yeah:
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 06, 2013, 12:27:22 PM
I'm glad i live close to Cd'AMe too.
For someone who does not have to live in WA for work it will start becoming more attractive to move some place else... I think WY is top of the list but is fairly expensive to live/move there. I think ID would be #2 then MT #3. :twocents:My wife and I are considering moving there as well.
Post by: bullcanyon on February 06, 2013, 12:36:05 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2013, 12:39:25 PM
This bill has been brought up to reduce the firearm related suicide death rate. First off most of these actions are taken place by factory loaded ammo. Not hand loaded yourself. So by taxing brass casings, powder, primers, bullets, etc what will that change. It takes hours to load your own bullet as well with a lot of knowledge, for most of which don't have or haven't taken time to purchase that much supplies.Also if a person had such horrible thoughts to commit suicide do you think taxing firearms and ammo will make a difference? If the person did such an act of committing suicide I don't think he/her really cares about his/her finances on whether or not he/her spent the money. They will be deceased/dead two seconds after the round was fired. So why do they care about money spent. Quit being so ignorant and stop trying to take away bits and pieces to our second amendment. You are suppose to stand up for the constitution and you are fighting against it.Japan has a much higher suicide rate than the US and guns are banned, again poor legislation proposed by a left wing agenda.
That's how I feel about part of the bill
Post by: blackdog on February 06, 2013, 01:12:35 PM
Post by: huntrights on February 06, 2013, 01:14:21 PM
The intent of the following is to inform you and ask that you consider communicating with the House Judiciary Committe and your representatives regarding this proposed legislation that imposes unjustified burdens on law-biding citizens that legally purchase firearms and ammunition. Feel free to copy and paste the message or write your own.
Copy and paste House Judiciary Committee email addresses:
jamie.pedersen@leg.wa.gov; drew.hansen@leg.wa.gov; jay.rodne@leg.wa.gov; steve.oban@leg.wa.gov; roger.goodman@leg.wa.gov; mike.hope@leg.wa.gov; laurie.jinkins@leg.wa.gov; steve.kirby@leg.wa.gov; brad.klippert@leg.wa.gov; terry.nealey@leg.wa.gov; tina.orwall@leg.wa.gov; maryhelen.roberts@leg.wa.gov; matt.shea@leg.wa.gov
Copy and paste subject:
Please Oppose HB1703 - Firearms and Ammunition Tax
Copy and Paste message:
Dear members of the House Judiciary Committee:
I am writing to respectfully ask that you to oppose HB1703 – “An ACT promoting firearm safety through an education program funded through fees on firearms and ammunition and creating a sales tax exemption on gun locks”. As with the rest of the anti-gun legislation being introduced in our state and nationally; this legislation is nothing more than an opportunistic attempt to ride the emotional anti-gun bandwagon resulting from the tragedy in Connecticut. Similar legislation is being introduced across the nation under the guise of safety just as is being done with HB1703, yet it is most definitely anti-gun at its core and is an attempt to unjustly tax firearms and ammunition. Firearms safety education programs are already widely available; why aren’t the supporters of this legislation taking advantage of them and promoting them?
I would like to clearly express the following message to the supporters of this legislation and other anti-gun legislation that is flooding our legislative assemblies:
I am deeply offended and extremely concerned about the blatant attacks on Amendment II of our Bill of Rights and the law-abiding citizens it protects. You are proposing legislation that does nothing but place a burden on some of the most law-abiding citizens in this country and yet you are doing nothing to address the core issues.
A major part of our problem with violence is the culture that has been fostered in our country over the past several years. This country has lost touch with the foundation of morality that made us strong and united in the past. For example: Please look at the extreme violence and graphic images on television, in movies, and in video games that somehow have become acceptable in our culture. What are you doing about the proliferation of violent gangs? What are you doing about the drug culture in our society (Note: You just passed a law legalizing marijuana)? What are you doing?
The Utah Sheriff’s Association summed up the view of firearms very well in their letter to the President:
http://utahsheriffs.org/USA-Home_files/2nd%20Amendment%20Letter_1.pdf
“…With the number of mass shootings America has endured, it is easy to demonize firearms; it is also foolish and prejudiced. Firearms are nothing more than instruments, valuable and potentially dangerous, but instruments nonetheless. Malevolent souls, like the criminals who commit mass murders, will always exploit valuable instruments in the pursuit of evil. As professional peace officers, if we understand nothing else, we understand this: lawful violence must sometimes be employed to deter and stop criminal violence. Consequently, the citizenry must continue its ability to keep and bear arms, including arms that adequately protect them from all types of illegality….”
Please stop attacking the rights and freedoms of law-abiding citizens that happen to purchase and own firearms per their Constitutional Rights. Whether the legislation you propose directly infringes on our right to keep and bear arms or if it is a subliminal attack via fees and taxation such as HB1703; in any form, they are blatant and offensive attacks on our rights and freedoms. Please remove HB1703 from any further consideration.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
[Your contact information]
Post by: KNOPHISH on February 06, 2013, 01:21:35 PM
Post by: lokidog on February 06, 2013, 02:37:05 PM
Post by: csaaphill on February 06, 2013, 02:38:49 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2013, 02:43:00 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on February 06, 2013, 03:15:11 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 06, 2013, 03:16:18 PM
When you sent your comment did it try to get you to register for the site with email and other info/ make an account?I already have one.
Post by: Cap.Silver on February 06, 2013, 03:30:49 PM
Post by: Atroxus on February 06, 2013, 03:40:40 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 06, 2013, 04:05:41 PM
House Judiciary Committee.
jamie.pedersen@leg.wa.gov; drew.hansen@leg.wa.gov; jay.rodne@leg.wa.gov; steve.oban@leg.wa.gov; roger.goodman@leg.wa.gov; mike.hope@leg.wa.gov; laurie.jinkins@leg.wa.gov; steve.kirby@leg.wa.gov; brad.klippert@leg.wa.gov; terry.nealey@leg.wa.gov; tina.orwall@leg.wa.gov; maryhelen.roberts@leg.wa.gov; matt.shea@leg.wa.gov
My email-
Dear Legislators,
I oppose HB 1703
This is a case of exploiting the national news and the tragic events at Sandy Hook as an opportunity to raise revenue and penalize law abiding gun owners. We do not need a slush fund (that likely will be raided by the state) to promote gun safety. There are groups that already provide this service and while it may not be palatable to the sponsors of this bill, we should look to the NRA for course material to provide gun safety to our children. These courses already exist and should be taught in our public schools.
The State of Washington does not need to waste time, money and resources recreating this curriculum.
Regards,
James Halvorson
(253) 777-7233
Reply from Rep. Steve O'ban-
Jamie,
Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns. As a constitutional lawyer, I am a strong believer in a small government which avoids infringing on individual rights. The right to keep and bear arms is a vital protection enshrined in our federal Constitutions and Washington State citizens are further protected by Article 1, Section 24 of the State Constitution, which recognizes the right of a person to bear arms.
In the wake of recent events like the tragedy in Connecticut, we must explore options to keep our communities safe. My goal is to begin a dialog about ending these horrible events. It is important that this dialog involves members of both parties and focuses on effective solutions that deny weapons to those with a violent or dangerous history, not denying firearms to law abiding citizens. It is equally important to examine our mental health care system and looking at the causes of these acts of violence. As this issue is discussed in the legislature and measures are proposed, I will keep your thoughts and concerns in mind.
Feel free to share any other concerns with me. My number one priority as an elected official is to serve you and the rest of my constituents. Please stay in touch via email, or give me a call in Olympia at the number below. If you are ever in Olympia and would like to visit my office, I would be happy to meet with you. Also, please be sure to use the below link to sign up for my email newsletter.
Sincerely,
Steve O'Ban
Representative, 28th Legislative District
Washington State House of Representatives
Ph. 360-786-7890
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Olympia, WA 98504-0600
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Post by: csaaphill on February 06, 2013, 07:55:35 PM
Post by: huntrights on February 06, 2013, 10:57:19 PM
Keep it up! We're coming together on these things!
Post by: TripleB on February 07, 2013, 01:03:55 AM
Post by: GUscottie on February 07, 2013, 01:43:45 AM
Post by: RadSav on February 07, 2013, 02:54:57 AM
Since they mentioned the success of public health education in car fatalities and smoking I thought I would look at those first. Though no death rates related to smoking exist their has been a study showing a 30% reduction in smokers since 1999. And though Washington is one of the leaders in the US for smallest percentage of smokers at 17.5% the national average is 19.3%. That's an awful lot of regulation to save less than 2% from smoking. But I guess every little bit helps.
The motor vehicle death rate is also impressive here in Washington state. It's actually one of the lowest in the US at .0084%. Actually lower than the state firearm related death rate. That I am extremely surprised at. So good for Washington!
But how major is this firearm related death rate in the state of Washington? Let's see...
Washington State percentage rates by population:
.0091% death rate from firearm related injuries. (includes police involved shootings)
.71% overall death rate
.0130% child death rate
.0180% Abortion rate
.0134% Suicide rate
.1544% death rate from heart disease
.0457% death rate from Alzheimer's disease
.0228% Death rate from diabetes
.0107% Death rate from influenza/pneumonia
Other health issues by population. (not death rates)
.3138% effected by violent crimes
44% of women report domestic violence in lifetime
25.8% of women with high blood pressure
.0267% teen birth rate
61% overweight/obesity
.3203% with chlamydia
.0430% with gonorrhea
.0080% with syphilis
Seems to me that there are a whole list of things more important to the health and wellbeing of Washington state residence than firearm related issues. Sure wish we could concentrate on issues important to "The People" and spend less time taxing and raising revenue on issues only important to the reelection hopes of career politicians.
Post by: glowaski81 on February 07, 2013, 02:59:30 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 07, 2013, 03:16:29 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 07, 2013, 04:43:49 AM
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Seems to me that there are a whole list of things more important to the health and wellbeing of Washington state residence than firearm related issues.
but not as easy to tax, and doesn't fit with ole BOs agenda.
Letters sent, thanks for making it easy with the addresses.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on February 07, 2013, 04:57:30 AM
Post by: danderson on February 07, 2013, 06:18:56 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 07, 2013, 08:36:11 AM
Wow! For the state to spend so much time and effort on the education of gun and ammunition safety I figured I needed to see just how much of a problem gun related deaths were in Washington as compared to other related deaths and health issues. Here is what I found;
Since they mentioned the success of public health education in car fatalities and smoking I thought I would look at those first. Though no death rates related to smoking exist their has been a study showing a 30% reduction in smokers since 1999. And though Washington is one of the leaders in the US for smallest percentage of smokers at 17.5% the national average is 19.3%. That's an awful lot of regulation to save less than 2%. But I guess every little bit helps.
The motor vehicle death rate is also impressive here in Washington state. It's actually one of the lowest in the US at .0084%. Actually lower than the state firearm related death rate. That I am extremely surprised at. So good for Washington!
But how major is this firearm related death rate in the state of Washington? Let's see...
Washington State percentage rates by population:
.0091% death rate related to firearm related injuries. (includes police related shootings)
.71% overall death rate
.0130% child death rate
.0180% Abortion rate
.0134% Suicide rate
.1544% death rate from heart disease
.0457% death rate from Alzheimer's disease
.0228% Death rate from diabetes
.0107% Death rate from influenza/pneumonia
Other health issues by population. (not death rates)
.3138% effected by violent crimes
44% of women report domestic violence in lifetime
25.8% of women with high blood pressure
.0267% teen birth rate
61% overweight/obesity
.3203% with chlamydia
.0430% with gonorrhea
.0080% with syphilis
Seems to me that there are a whole list of things more important to the health and wellbeing of Washington state residence than firearm related issues. Sure wish we could concentrate on issues important to "The People" and spend less time taxing and raising revenue on issues only important to the reelection hopes of career politicians.
Thanks Rad, that's interesting good stuff.
Post by: lokidog on February 07, 2013, 09:15:02 AM
Post by: scout/sniper on February 07, 2013, 02:47:42 PM
Thanks again Pman, emails sent!
Please join me in opposing this bill. I look forward to hearing back from you regarding your intentions. Thank you for your attention to my comments and your service to our community
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 07, 2013, 02:48:29 PM
Post by: longstevo on February 08, 2013, 01:42:34 AM
I'll dig out my laptop tonight and get to a wifi hotspot and do it there.
Post by: CP on February 08, 2013, 06:49:51 AM
The right mouse button is disabled in this computer lab. I can't copy and paste the judiciary emails.
I'll dig out my laptop tonight and get to a wifi hotspot and do it there.
Try Ctrl C to copy Ctrl V to paste
Post by: longstevo on February 08, 2013, 07:56:31 AM
The right mouse button is disabled in this computer lab. I can't copy and paste the judiciary emails.
I'll dig out my laptop tonight and get to a wifi hotspot and do it there.
Try Ctrl C to copy Ctrl V to paste
Done. :tup:
Post by: Wenatcheejay on February 08, 2013, 08:13:37 AM
Post by: fishinmike on February 08, 2013, 08:35:09 AM
Post by: huntrights on February 09, 2013, 01:05:45 PM
Washington: Your Immediate Action is Needed to Defeat Numerous Anti-Gun Bills
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/2/washington-your-immediate-action-is-needed-to-defeat-numerous-anti-gun-bills.aspx
Post by: scotty1969 on February 09, 2013, 01:17:58 PM
yes its nice but Idaho just recently (sherrifs) decided to back the feds and enforce these new gun bans they were the first to put it on paper.cant remember what post its in but its in here somewhere.All this bologna is about to convince me to move to another "smarter and more friendly" state.
Idaho is close, and becoming more and more appealing. :yeah:
Post by: csaaphill on February 10, 2013, 01:25:59 AM
ya fricking turn coatsyes its nice but Idaho just recently (sherrifs) decided to back the feds and enforce these new gun bans they were the first to put it on paper.cant remember what post its in but its in here somewhere.All this bologna is about to convince me to move to another "smarter and more friendly" state.
Idaho is close, and becoming more and more appealing. :yeah:
ON a better note Wyoming passed it's nulification bill.
I read somewhere too that legally Montana might be one of the few that could legally seccede.
why? because when they voted to become a state there was something in their constitution that allowed them to if they wanted or needed.