Post by: Spikorbust on February 08, 2013, 12:30:03 PM
Pluses
- Your off the ground away from wet ground, rodents, ground bugs
- Looks pretty comfy
- Use as a chair or lounge with cover
- Small and light
Negatives???
What would be the negatives unless you don't have access to trees?
Post by: sirmissalot on February 08, 2013, 12:48:46 PM
Post by: JM on February 08, 2013, 12:49:12 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 08, 2013, 12:52:14 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 08, 2013, 12:56:09 PM
-Steve
Post by: Spikorbust on February 08, 2013, 01:18:26 PM
Do most use small tents or tarps?
Tarps seem simple and light but seems like that could get old being on a wet/damp ground.
Tents seem cumbersome.
I like the idea of a 12 x 16 wall tent with a stove but it seems a bit heavy to put on the back :chuckle:
Post by: WaltAlpine on February 08, 2013, 01:35:10 PM
Post by: Doc Sauce on February 08, 2013, 01:42:15 PM
I didn't take pictures of it, but I can sent it up and take pics of it if asked nicely... and maybe for a nominal fee.
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2013, 01:44:53 PM
Post by: Spikorbust on February 08, 2013, 02:00:40 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 08, 2013, 02:04:18 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2013, 02:10:23 PM
Post by: JM on February 08, 2013, 02:32:45 PM
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 08, 2013, 02:43:00 PM
http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html (http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html)
i get a killer deal on mountainsmith through a friend so i plan to try one of these out as a solo shelter to supplement my SL5 for 2.
edit to add: patrick smith owner of kifaru started mountainsmith so you could probably attribute this shelter to an early supertarp
Post by: JLS on February 08, 2013, 02:48:57 PM
check this out
http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html (http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html)
i get a killer deal on mountainsmith through a friend so i plan to try one of these out as a solo shelter to supplement my SL5 for 2.
edit to add: patrick smith owner of kifaru started mountainsmith so you could probably attribute this shelter to an early supertarp
That's a nice looking setup. I wish you hadn't shown it to me, now I think I need one :o
Post by: Spikorbust on February 08, 2013, 03:09:31 PM
If I was to go out and buy another backpacking tent and I had a $200 dollar budget I would personally get a ultra light 2 person tent. They might weigh a few ounces more but I think that the space to keep your gear out of the weather would be well worth it. Also trying to pack a 85 pound black lab and a 6ft 190 pound person into a Cabelas XPG ultra light 1 person tent and get any descent shuteye isn't easy. I know sounds like a spoiled mutt but she packs her own food my booze and doesn't complain which makes her great company in the backcountry.
It's always good to bring a drinking buddy :chuckle:
Post by: Spikorbust on February 08, 2013, 03:11:35 PM
check this out
http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html (http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html)
i get a killer deal on mountainsmith through a friend so i plan to try one of these out as a solo shelter to supplement my SL5 for 2.
edit to add: patrick smith owner of kifaru started mountainsmith so you could probably attribute this shelter to an early supertarp
Looks like a nice shelter and price is better then some I've seen. I like the fact that you can close it shut.
No floor bug anyone? Not a big deal?
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 08, 2013, 04:16:02 PM
i run a piece of tyvek or this year im gonna use a ti goat bivycheck this out
http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html (http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html)
i get a killer deal on mountainsmith through a friend so i plan to try one of these out as a solo shelter to supplement my SL5 for 2.
edit to add: patrick smith owner of kifaru started mountainsmith so you could probably attribute this shelter to an early supertarp
Looks like a nice shelter and price is better then some I've seen. I like the fact that you can close it shut.
No floor bug anyone? Not a big deal?
http://www.titaniumgoat.com/Omni-Bivy.html (http://www.titaniumgoat.com/Omni-Bivy.html)
once you get used to a floorless shelter theyre hard to beat, most people worry about bugs and rain etc, really a non-issue though. always nice to not worry about tracking muddy boots in or my dog f'n up the floor
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 04:22:34 PM
Exactly what I was looking for some live experiences.With a nice big pipe stove. lol
Do most use small tents or tarps?
Tarps seem simple and light but seems like that could get old being on a wet/damp ground.
Tents seem cumbersome.
I like the idea of a 12 x 16 wall tent with a stove but it seems a bit heavy to put on the back :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 04:26:11 PM
check this outPERFECT. Thats what I need to get, My trecking poles are mountainsmith to!
http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html (http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html)
i get a killer deal on mountainsmith through a friend so i plan to try one of these out as a solo shelter to supplement my SL5 for 2.
edit to add: patrick smith owner of kifaru started mountainsmith so you could probably attribute this shelter to an early supertarp
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 04:28:26 PM
Perfect man, Ideas to keep everything off your head :Pi run a piece of tyvek or this year im gonna use a ti goat bivycheck this out
http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html (http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/tents-sleeping-bags/mountain-shelter-lt.html)
i get a killer deal on mountainsmith through a friend so i plan to try one of these out as a solo shelter to supplement my SL5 for 2.
edit to add: patrick smith owner of kifaru started mountainsmith so you could probably attribute this shelter to an early supertarp
Looks like a nice shelter and price is better then some I've seen. I like the fact that you can close it shut.
No floor bug anyone? Not a big deal?
http://www.titaniumgoat.com/Omni-Bivy.html (http://www.titaniumgoat.com/Omni-Bivy.html)
once you get used to a floorless shelter theyre hard to beat, most people worry about bugs and rain etc, really a non-issue though. always nice to not worry about tracking muddy boots in or my dog f'n up the floor
Plus you can get 4x8 tarps for virtually nothing, throw one underneith if its that big of a deal to anyone. Thanks for that link
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 08, 2013, 04:36:46 PM
Plus you can get 4x8 tarps for virtually nothing, throw one underneith if its that big of a deal to anyone. Thanks for that linkthe tyvek is much lighter than a tarp and almost as cheap. i run a 9x9 chunk under my SL5 at less than a lb.
just make sure if you use tyvek to put it through the washing machine because when its brand new its as loud as bending metal roofing
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 04:38:02 PM
Ohhh, thought your link was in regards to the sleeping bags with the netted face.Plus you can get 4x8 tarps for virtually nothing, throw one underneith if its that big of a deal to anyone. Thanks for that linkthe tyvek is much lighter than a tarp and almost as cheap. i run a 9x9 chunk under my SL5 at less than a lb.
Whats tyvek?
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 08, 2013, 04:46:28 PM
Ohhh, thought your link was in regards to the sleeping bags with the netted face.i wouldnt say that their sleeping bags, your sleeping bag goes in that to stay dry and clean, keep any bugs out.
Whats tyvek?
the tyvek is another option if you want to use floorles shelter but dont want to use a bivy. its what they wrap houses with under the siding. waterproof. lightweight. put it under your pad and bag when using a floorless shelter
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 04:55:23 PM
Oh so that "sleeping bag" thing is like a waterproof case for your sleeping bags then? If so that sounds interesting.Ohhh, thought your link was in regards to the sleeping bags with the netted face.i wouldnt say that their sleeping bags, your sleeping bag goes in that to stay dry and clean, keep any bugs out.
Whats tyvek?
the tyvek is another option if you want to use floorles shelter but dont want to use a bivy. its what they wrap houses with under the siding. waterproof. lightweight. put it under your pad and bag when using a floorless shelter
Post by: Alchase on February 08, 2013, 04:58:30 PM
Post by: NumaJohn on February 08, 2013, 05:10:38 PM
My take on backcountry camping is that I want to do whatever I can to sleep well, but not at the expense of having to haul a ton of extra weight. If I recall, my tent weighs 2.8 pounds. For some people, that is probably too heavy. For me, I would much rather carry enough weight to have an actual tent. Lightweight bivvy sacks are fine, except you can't really move around much in them, and lean-to set-ups with tarps, though light, could be too light if the weather really came a callin'. If I anticipate the possibility of having to spend a bit of time sheltered from inclement weather, I want a fully-enclosed shelter.
Just my two cents, if worth even that!
John
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:16:24 PM
For years, I have used a one-person tent by Sierra Designs, but in a quick search I just did on Google, I could see that even though they still offer what look to be good one-person tents, so do a number of other companies. The Sierra Design tent offered now that is most similar to the one I own is listed for about $130.Ill usually go with the extra weight for comfort, as long as its within reason. My med pack that I carry with me probably weighs upwords of 3-5lbs not sure. I got just about everything besides a defibulator in my bag. Probably not smart might be why my back hurts from my last hike but atleast I know Im prepared, Gives me that peace of mind knowing Im prepared for most situations, Got casting material, and a stitch kit even.
My take on backcountry camping is that I want to do whatever I can to sleep well, but not at the expense of having to haul a ton of extra weight. If I recall, my tent weighs 2.8 pounds. For some people, that is probably too heavy. For me, I would much rather carry enough weight to have an actual tent. Lightweight bivvy sacks are fine, except you can't really move around much in them, and lean-to set-ups with tarps, though light, could be too light if the weather really came a callin'. If I anticipate the possibility of having to spend a bit of time sheltered from inclement weather, I want a fully-enclosed shelter.
Just my two cents, if worth even that!
John
Post by: JLS on February 08, 2013, 05:28:43 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:32:25 PM
So you're going to cast a broken bone in the woods? Or suture a laceration?Yup. If the situations present themselves to where I need to, your absolutely right.
Casting material isnt permanent. Neither are sutures.
Post by: JLS on February 08, 2013, 05:33:53 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:35:48 PM
Whatever floats your boat. Suturing under field conditions is just begging for infection.Sure, if you don't know what your doing. Fortunetly my mother has been an RN for 20+ Years. Its called skintegrity hydrogel and alcohol. Look it up brotha.
Post by: JLS on February 08, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
Whatever floats your boat. Suturing under field conditions is just begging for infection.Sure, if you don't know what your doing. Fortunetly my mother has been an RN for 20+ Years. Its called skintegrity hydrogel and alcohol. Look it up brotha.
I'll suffice with a compression bandage or tourniquet and a trip to the ER.
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:37:40 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:38:23 PM
Whatever floats your boat. Suturing under field conditions is just begging for infection.Sure, if you don't know what your doing. Fortunetly my mother has been an RN for 20+ Years. Its called skintegrity hydrogel and alcohol. Look it up brotha.
I'll suffice with a compression bandage or tourniquet and a trip to the ER.
To each they're own. You must be tougher then me.
Post by: JLS on February 08, 2013, 05:40:41 PM
You must be tougher then me.
Nope. Just don't carry as much.
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:43:34 PM
Thats fine, Im not an avid woodsman either. Im an Illiterate woodsman. Maybe I have no idea what Im doing. I do know I just had my ear cut 60-70% off 3 weeks ago by a piece of sheet metel and used nothing but skintegrity hydrogel and alcohol. And had my head wrapped like a head trauma patient. Healed like a champ, Never once stepped foot into a clinic or hospital. Looks great to. If you ever need advice on medical products though let me know. Ill be more then happy to to share what medical know how we do have.You must be tougher then me.
Nope. Just don't carry as much.
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:47:16 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 05:51:08 PM
Post by: Spikorbust on February 08, 2013, 08:47:45 PM
Plus you can get 4x8 tarps for virtually nothing, throw one underneith if its that big of a deal to anyone. Thanks for that linkthe tyvek is much lighter than a tarp and almost as cheap. i run a 9x9 chunk under my SL5 at less than a lb.
just make sure if you use tyvek to put it through the washing machine because when its brand new its as loud as bending metal roofing
Great idea with the tyvek.
Anyone try a simple SOL bag over there sleeping bag? Seems like a simple water resistant problem solver.
Post by: boneaddict on February 09, 2013, 08:14:33 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 09, 2013, 08:25:29 AM
Plus you can get 4x8 tarps for virtually nothing, throw one underneith if its that big of a deal to anyone. Thanks for that linkthe tyvek is much lighter than a tarp and almost as cheap. i run a 9x9 chunk under my SL5 at less than a lb.
just make sure if you use tyvek to put it through the washing machine because when its brand new its as loud as bending metal roofing
Great idea with the tyvek.
Anyone try a simple SOL bag over there sleeping bag? Seems like a simple water resistant problem solver.
I love tyvek and I hate it. Stuff is real slippery... put it under a sleeping bag and you better be on level ground or see ya!
Post by: Smossy on February 10, 2013, 04:00:34 PM
Even after its washed thoroughly?Plus you can get 4x8 tarps for virtually nothing, throw one underneith if its that big of a deal to anyone. Thanks for that linkthe tyvek is much lighter than a tarp and almost as cheap. i run a 9x9 chunk under my SL5 at less than a lb.
just make sure if you use tyvek to put it through the washing machine because when its brand new its as loud as bending metal roofing
Great idea with the tyvek.
Anyone try a simple SOL bag over there sleeping bag? Seems like a simple water resistant problem solver.
I love tyvek and I hate it. Stuff is real slippery... put it under a sleeping bag and you better be on level ground or see ya!
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 10, 2013, 04:30:05 PM
Whats tyvek?
Tyvek is the white building cloth you see on buildings under construction
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 11, 2013, 10:09:14 AM
-Steve
Post by: zoorda on February 18, 2013, 11:28:44 PM
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