Post by: Pappy on February 09, 2013, 11:32:20 PM
At the store, I shot a number of arrows during setup, got it dialed in and brought it home. Tonight in the garage I shot three arrows and things were feeling good. On the fourth arrow, my peep broke. The little jib that sticks in the rubber hose broke off. I realize this is an easy fix, but still a bit annoying. So who screwed up? PSE? The tech that setup my bow? Me? I'm most concerned if it was me, cause I don't want to break the one I get installed tomorrow.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 09, 2013, 11:35:00 PM
Post by: Pappy on February 09, 2013, 11:41:59 PM
I've heard there were string cutting issues with the G5. Is that still an issue with them?
Post by: RadSav on February 10, 2013, 12:57:52 AM
G5 makes a fine peep. Most of the guys that have had string issues with it don't know how to tie one in properly. Our Super-Deuce 38 has deeper grooves and a more aggressive radius on all sharp edges so I believe it is more string friendly than the G5. But either one should work just fine for you. If you like spending more money I can not complain about someone using G5 at all. We both use a similar drafted aperture. In my opinion that is a great advantage. So neither has a leg up there. Ours is anodized, there's is painted you chose your preference there. Ours is aluminum, theirs is magnesium. Again you chose your preference there. Both of us demand top customer service, both of us demand constant improvements if at all possible. And both of us would be more than happy for you to use our products. Really hard to go wrong either way as long as your bow/string combination will allow you to ditch the tubing. Of course if your setup needs tubing we give you that option and G5 does not.
There are some peeps on the market I would certainly stay clear of as they are hard on strings. Any time you see a square bottom groove cross another square bottom groove you will have troubles. So that is easy to see even if the peep is in a package. If you can hold one before purchase even better. If a sharp edge will shave a fingernail it will cut a string. So that is an easy test to do for sure. Some manufacturers cover those sharp points with paint. It works great unless the paint chips at that spot - which it often does.
Good luck getting it set back up. I hope you will consider giving RAD peeps a try. But of not I'm sure you will be pleased with the results you get from G5 too. Good people, good products.
Post by: Old Dog on February 10, 2013, 05:34:15 AM
Post by: Redbeard on February 10, 2013, 07:38:33 AM
Tubeless peeps definately look better but require more time to get properly installed. You do need to know what you are doing to get those in straight.
With that said go to a shop and look around see what you like. A good shop bow mechanic shoild be able to see what went wrong with your peep.
Just my 2 cents
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Post by: Pappy on February 10, 2013, 09:05:32 AM
I'll take a look at the Radian if they have them in stock, always appreciate the first hand knowledge of those actually making this stuff!
So is the only disadvantage of the tubeless peeps is that they're harder to setup?
Post by: Redbeard on February 10, 2013, 09:30:25 AM
The key to this is finding that guy who actually can do it. He has to know where to split the string in the exact location so the peep doesn't twist.
It is definitely a skill to put in.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 10, 2013, 09:34:50 AM
So is the only disadvantage of the tubeless peeps is that they're harder to setup?
In my opinion yes. I have heard others say that the G5 will change shape, but I haven't personally had that happen. The only other thing to worry about maybe having an issue with them(tubeless) is on a new bow. If your string stretches any you may have to have it adjusted after awhile.
Post by: hughjorgan on February 10, 2013, 09:35:22 AM
Thanks for the info. I'm going to take it to a shop today to get a new one put in. I don't know enough about what its supposed to look like yet to know what's right if I do it myself.
I'll take a look at the Radian if they have them in stock, always appreciate the first hand knowledge of those actually making this stuff!
So is the only disadvantage of the tubeless peeps is that they're harder to setup?
If you have custom strings or the strings are made of bcy material like custom strings then they will be pre stretched and you should have consistent peep alignment after it is installed and shot. You might need to tweak your peep after shooting a hundred or so arrows.
Post by: Pappy on February 10, 2013, 09:59:32 AM
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The key to this is finding that guy who actually can do it. He has to know where to split the string in the exact location so the peep doesn't twist.
Anyone have any opinion on the archery desk guys at Wholesale Sports in Silverdale? It's not where I bought the bow, but I'd like to avoid driving 4 hours round trip to have a peep put in.
Post by: Pappy on February 10, 2013, 04:39:16 PM
Anyways, I found the Peninsula Premier Pro Shop in Belfair. Nice little shop, the guy knows what he's doing, or seems to at least. Super helpful, and recommended that I went with a regular peep since I'm new to the sport. He got my bow set in about thirty seconds and showed me a couple other spots to watch for upgrades in the future. Thanks all!
Post by: Smossy on February 10, 2013, 04:49:31 PM
The meta peep is iffy. Atleast with my limited experience. The tube insures it will always be right where you need it at full draw, as long as its not broken in half :)
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 11, 2013, 05:15:04 AM
Post by: Redbeard on February 11, 2013, 05:51:48 AM
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Post by: hughjorgan on February 11, 2013, 05:55:46 AM
Broken tubing or a peep sight that decides to twist at the wrong moment. One thing I can guarantee is both will happen at the wrong time. Pick your poision
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A custom pre stretched string, such as winners choice or vapor trail archery once the peep is set it isn't going to move. There is no need for tubing on a bow any more!
Post by: RadSav on February 11, 2013, 06:29:29 AM
Post by: Redbeard on February 11, 2013, 06:40:01 AM
If tubing were to break your peep sight should still work. If you do not have tubing and your string happens to stretch...could be problems. It's a personal preference that's all. One no better and no worse than the other.
Better said than my post.
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Post by: Pappy on February 11, 2013, 07:42:45 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on February 11, 2013, 06:55:41 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 11, 2013, 07:43:13 PM
I understand guys wanting to increase speed and keep noise to a minimum which can only be achieved with a non tubing peep. But if a person prefers the added security of having a tube peep option it really doesn't matter how old or advanced the bow is. It's all about personal preference. If you are a good shooter and a good hunter either one should aide in success.
If one single peep was the end all answer on today's bows I could eliminate about 140 sku's from our line. Instead we are planning to add another 56 to the line for 2014. Seems there are experts everywhere telling us what the end all answer is. And yet every answer seems to be different.
Post by: cocogirl on February 23, 2013, 10:36:22 AM
To answer your question, was your vault, manufactures fault or techs fault??
None of the above. It happens with peep sights that are premanufactured and plastic molded. A package gets made, is stored in a warehouse, shipped, put together and then put under pressure of shooting. It happens and we all end up getting new ones when it happens.
It is correct to say that either tubeless or a tubed one, work. To each his/her own. The person recommending that you have a tube because you are a new archer is correct in saying that a tubed sight is easier to replace in the field it the tube breaks but if the peep breaks with either one, it still takes a press to replace either of them, if you do it correctly.
Happy shooting and welcome to the best sport out there:-)
Post by: Pappy on February 23, 2013, 04:22:19 PM
Pappy,
To answer your question, was your vault, manufactures fault or techs fault??
None of the above. It happens with peep sights that are premanufactured and plastic molded. A package gets made, is stored in a warehouse, shipped, put together and then put under pressure of shooting. It happens and we all end up getting new ones when it happens.
It is correct to say that either tubeless or a tubed one, work. To each his/her own. The person recommending that you have a tube because you are a new archer is correct in saying that a tubed sight is easier to replace in the field it the tube breaks but if the peep breaks with either one, it still takes a press to replace either of them, if you do it correctly.
Hu
Happy shooting and welcome to the best sport out there:-)
Thanks Coco!