Post by: boneaddict on February 11, 2013, 11:29:05 AM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 11, 2013, 11:32:01 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 11, 2013, 11:33:18 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 11, 2013, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 11, 2013, 11:37:40 AM
Post by: gaddy on February 11, 2013, 11:38:50 AM
on the otherhand think of all the good you did for the state parks. & if you use the areas that require it then its cheeper than a ticket.
Post by: jackelope on February 11, 2013, 11:40:14 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 11, 2013, 11:41:19 AM
Post by: Becky on February 11, 2013, 11:43:16 AM
I'm now debating on getting the national forest pass though :bash:
Post by: Hunterman on February 11, 2013, 11:45:30 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 11, 2013, 11:46:32 AM
Post by: JLS on February 11, 2013, 11:50:06 AM
Post by: YellowDog on February 11, 2013, 12:48:48 PM
I think you should add "indifferent" to your poll. I definetely wouldn't be "proud", maybe kinda sleezy
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winning answer right here. I see no point in being defiant and costing yourself 3 times what it would cost to buy the pass but I sure ain't proud of having to pay a fee to use public land that I should be able to use without paying such fee. My time fighting a ticket is worth more than the cost of the pass. I guess all we can do is the little bit we can by making people aware of the issue and sending worthless e-mails to legislators.
Post by: chrisb on February 11, 2013, 12:56:40 PM
Post by: ellensburgpo on February 11, 2013, 01:09:48 PM
Post by: quadrafire on February 11, 2013, 01:19:59 PM
I'm not proud to buy it but I'm definitely not ashamed either so I voted proud.:yeah:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on February 11, 2013, 01:20:00 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 11, 2013, 01:23:09 PM
I think it's a fair deal for those who frequently use the state parks. No problem with that, they require a lot of upkeep and maintenance, and it only makes sense for those using the parks to pay for that.
I also like that non-hunters/fishers who use WDFW boat launches and/or Wildlife Areas now have to pay something for that use, as we have been doing all along.
As for DNR lands, I think it's fair enough for people using campgrounds or other developed recreational areas, to pay something for that use as well.
So the only real problem I have is I don't feel it should be required on ALL DNR lands.
The other issue is that it can only be used with two vehicles. So the pass I bought, if I put the license plate from my Bronco and my truck on the pass, the wife and I cannot use her car to take the family to a state park.
I paid for it, I should be able to use it for any vehicle I own.
Post by: Becky on February 11, 2013, 01:28:02 PM
I paid for it, I should be able to use it for any vehicle I own.
This is basically the main issue I have with any of the pay passes.. and you can only buy one discover/national forest pass on your own personal license so why can't it be used with YOU wherever you go. I have three vehicles, I physically cannot purchase another pass, it seems like a headache.
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 01:29:12 PM
You can go anywhere theres a discover pass for free, Its the fact that your taking up space and parking your vehicle. THATS what makes the discover pass valid.I think you should add "indifferent" to your poll. I definetely wouldn't be "proud", maybe kinda sleezy
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winning answer right here. I see no point in being defiant and costing yourself 3 times what it would cost to buy the pass but I sure ain't proud of having to pay a fee to use public land that I should be able to use without paying such fee. My time fighting a ticket is worth more than the cost of the pass. I guess all we can do is the little bit we can by making people aware of the issue and sending worthless e-mails to legislators.
Plus, I'm not ashamed what so ever to ever buy one. It helps towards the costs of simple maintenance to all the parks, trails, places we go that require them.
I highly doubt anyone in here goes out of they're way to cutt trails, Dig holes and place fences along view access points.
That's what you gotta think about. Not your own personal agendas. "Ohh boohoo I have to pay 35 bucks a year to park somewhere."
IT also helps keep the fishing hatcheries funded, Because without those we would have absolutely no salmon.
Just my :twocents: Not a single living soul will convince me otherwise.
Plus it makes me feel like I'm contributing. Not just taking advantage of what I think should be free free free.
Post by: boneaddict on February 11, 2013, 01:29:32 PM
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I also like that non-hunters/fishers who use WDFW boat launches and/or Wildlife Areas now have to pay something for that use, as we have been doing all along
I especially agree with this. Growing up I felt this way with snowparks and cross country skiers. As a snowmobile "user" group, we had to pay in lecense fees but the other user groups got to park there for free if it wasn't for that permit.
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 01:32:21 PM
YUP that I do agree with, and they're willing to listen to reason as they did last year, and people wanted it somewhat transferable from vehicle to vehicle. It should be PER wild ID, like it is... But if I have a discover pass, and I go with my buddy in his car, Its no longer valid unless I sacrifice a 1 of 2 spots for vehicles. Me and my girl alone, have about 4 different vehicles we drive at any given point, soo right there alone. 1 Discover pass per wild ID, Wild ID shouldn't need to be registered to a vehicle, Just have it on hand. Simple resolution to everyones problem.I paid for it, I should be able to use it for any vehicle I own.
This is basically the main issue I have with any of the pay passes.. and you can only buy one discover/national forest pass on your own personal license so why can't it be used with YOU wherever you go. I have three vehicles, I physically cannot purchase another pass, it seems like a headache.
Post by: boneaddict on February 11, 2013, 01:33:43 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 01:34:25 PM
You might as well be proud as crappy as it is....your not breakin the law and risking a ticket by not having itPlus If I recall a ticket rangeds from $38-87.
Why risk that when you could pay $35 ONE time, which isnt that much money lol.
And not have to worry about ever getting a ticket.
Post by: boneaddict on February 11, 2013, 01:35:02 PM
I think the ticket was $100 Smossy
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 01:35:23 PM
Proud may not have been the right word.....not sure what the right word is......Happy with myself that I did "the right thing" by following the law instead of willfully breaking it as I disagree with it or don't like it necessarily.Ok ok we can agree with you there then. Maybe not PROUD but Im definetly willing, I feel like its contribution. Kind of like going to church and handing over your money to a basket.
Post by: bobcat on February 11, 2013, 01:35:32 PM
Also, the Discover pass isn't just for parking. You need it if you're just driving on state land as well.
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 01:36:40 PM
and how about making it like a college parking pass or something with enough backbone to survive a year hanging from my mirror.......Yeah thats even worse, It should be laminated! OO fancy! I think that would last. Plus its not hard to laminate things. But as of right now they cant do that because you need to be able to "label" your license plates, Make it an ON HAND thing per Wild ID, Laminate them.
I think the ticket was $100 Smossy
BAM. Good to go.
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 01:37:33 PM
Many people who buy a Discover pass don't have a WILD ID.True didnt think of that, Just a vehicle in general I guess then. You can hike in there for free though if its that big of a deal.
Also, the Discover pass isn't just for parking. You need it if you're just driving on state land as well.
Maybe VIA social # then?
Post by: singleshot12 on February 11, 2013, 01:38:01 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 01:38:59 PM
Many people who buy a Discover pass don't have a WILD ID.Its just 2nd nature for me to always have my fishing/harvesting license.
Also, the Discover pass isn't just for parking. You need it if you're just driving on state land as well.
I forget its not something everyone has. Just more things I pay money for! :bash:
Thanks for the reminder lol
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 01:39:59 PM
pay it, hope the funds go to where it's really needed, and pretend to be proud for now :dunno:In all honesty Im pretty sure they do. But unless I see money handed from one organization to another Ill never REALLY do. Ill just keep my self convinced that its for a good cause.
Post by: skywalker253 on February 11, 2013, 01:56:13 PM
Many people who buy a Discover pass don't have a WILD ID.
Also, the Discover pass isn't just for parking. You need it if you're just driving on state land as well.
Then charge the tree hugging hikers a "Hiking Pass" and create a "Hiking ID#". Attach the Hiking ID# to their Discover Pass. With our luck, the state has already thought of this and will likely create several NEW passes/permits recreationists have to purchase to be legal. I voted "proud" because of Bobcats points he made. It also makes you feel good about doing the right thing etc. I have never had much of an issue paying for increased hunting fee's, passes, etc. I look at it like, I use the state parks, land, roads, etc. But I have never volunteered my labor etc. to give back. This is my way of giving back.
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 01:59:19 PM
Yeah I understand, but, Thats exactly HOW all these new things get added. Just like you said "Oh its free? Ok cool lets charge more and more."Many people who buy a Discover pass don't have a WILD ID.
Also, the Discover pass isn't just for parking. You need it if you're just driving on state land as well.
Then charge the tree hugging hikers a "Hiking Pass" and create a "Hiking ID#". Attach the Hiking ID# to their Discover Pass. With our luck, the state has already thought of this and will likely create several NEW passes/permits recreationists have to purchase to be legal. I voted "proud" because of Bobcats points he made. It also makes you feel good about doing the right thing etc. I have never had much of an issue paying for increased hunting fee's, passes, etc. I look at it like, I use the state parks, land, roads, etc. But I have never volunteered my labor etc. to give back. This is my way of giving back.
Cmon now thats no way to solve any problem.
I think a good resolution after some debate on here.
Discover pass goes via Social security number, Has no "car limit" its an ON HAND pass, Just like a fishing or hunting license, and Its laminated!
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 02:01:34 PM
But wait, Im a tree hugger because I hike? I dont get that, Im sensing alittle hostility.Many people who buy a Discover pass don't have a WILD ID.
Also, the Discover pass isn't just for parking. You need it if you're just driving on state land as well.
Then charge the tree hugging hikers a "Hiking Pass" and create a "Hiking ID#". Attach the Hiking ID# to their Discover Pass. With our luck, the state has already thought of this and will likely create several NEW passes/permits recreationists have to purchase to be legal. I voted "proud" because of Bobcats points he made. It also makes you feel good about doing the right thing etc. I have never had much of an issue paying for increased hunting fee's, passes, etc. I look at it like, I use the state parks, land, roads, etc. But I have never volunteered my labor etc. to give back. This is my way of giving back.
We drive to specific hiking trails because washington has some great view/hiking opportunities. It put my mind at ease to all the other BS that goes on in the world.
Guess Im a tree hugger guys.
Oh yeah, me and my girl plan on volunteering time once a month to help clean up / renovate trails. That must mean were nature rapists or something?
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 02:02:07 PM
Post by: Curly on February 11, 2013, 02:02:59 PM
I was hoping that enough hunters would hold out and not give in long enough that the DP would be deemed a failure and some changes would have to be made.
But it looks like enough of you have bought them so the politicians think it is a success. :(
So, with that said, I can't really blame anyone for buying the pass now, as it seems like it's here to stay. I might have to be ashamed of myself too and break down and buy the damn thing too. >:(
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 02:05:42 PM
You should be ashamed of yourself.Nope your wrong, Theyre still not meating quota that they expected, and they never will. Discover pass it "too new" and the first few years leading after are basically "trial and error" kind of thing. So we can refuse and complain via email. Not sure where that would be directed to though.
I was hoping that enough hunters would hold out and not give in long enough that the DP would be deemed a failure and some changes would have to be made.
But it looks like enough of you have bought them so the politicians think it is a success. :(
So, with that said, I can't really blame anyone for buying the pass now, as it seems like it's here to stay. I might have to be ashamed of myself too and break down and buy the damn thing too. >:(
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2013, 02:07:16 PM
I won't vote in the poll because I'm not ashamed, or proud, of buying my Discover pass last year. I'm not quite as adamantly against it as many of you seem to be.I am proud that i havne't purchased one. the state wanted to alter my actions so i did. I make it a point to tell the DMV that i refuse to be shaken down for parks "donations" on the 9 license plates i own. I spend more time at tmy arcehy club and spend more time visiting friends and family instead of "consuming" precious state resources. I vote with my wallet every chance i get because i think its the most powerful vote i have. :twocents:
Agreed
I think it's a fair deal for those who frequently use the state parks. No problem with that, they require a lot of upkeep and maintenance, and it only makes sense for those using the parks to pay for that.
This is a pay for play state I agree
I also like that non-hunters/fishers who use WDFW boat launches and/or Wildlife Areas now have to pay something for that use, as we have been doing all along.
They were supposed to purchase a WDFW pass befroe the DP.
As for DNR lands, I think it's fair enough for people using campgrounds or other developed recreational areas, to pay something for that use as well.
:twocents:
So the only real problem I have is I don't feel it should be required on ALL DNR lands.
The other issue is that it can only be used with two vehicles. So the pass I bought, if I put the license plate from my Bronco and my truck on the pass, the wife and I cannot use her car to take the family to a state park.
I paid for it, I should be able to use it for any vehicle I own.
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 11, 2013, 02:13:10 PM
For me, the cost of the DP is a lot cheaper than the cost of buying certified weed free hay for the horses. Given the amount of time I spend on DNR or WDFW ground.
So, that was my option. DP or buy hay with pretty little bale strings and piece of paper to satisfy the Forest Circus.
Post by: bobcat on February 11, 2013, 02:14:48 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 02:17:04 PM
If I were to "vote with my wallet" I would have had to cancel my elk hunting trip this year. But instead, I spent $35 and camped out in my camp trailer for a week on DNR land. The pass may have been $35, but the camping was free! I would have paid $25 minimum per night, if I had stayed in a campground. I'd say I got my money's worth. (and then some). :tup::yeah:
Weld said brother. EXACTLY my thoughts. Me and my lady spend sooo much time on "Public land" that requires a discover pass that It would be pure stupidity to NOT have one. We forgot our pass the last hiking trips because of using different vehicles. at 10 dollers a day. We basically just payed for another discover pass without even buying one.
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 11, 2013, 02:17:57 PM
If I were to "vote with my wallet" I would have had to cancel my elk hunting trip this year. But instead, I spent $35 and camped out in my camp trailer for a week on DNR land. The pass may have been $35, but the camping was free! I would have paid $25 minimum per night, if I had stayed in a campground. I'd say I got my money's worth. (and then some). :tup:
In a similar type of way, that's how I look at it.
The spring and summer months camping/visiting DNR lands, while avoiding NF lands, pays for itself.
The hunting season then becomes a freebie.
Or at least that's I how convince myself to be "proud". :chuckle:
Post by: Dhoey07 on February 11, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2013, 02:57:18 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 03:00:38 PM
The issue is the $ is being taken from one group to pay for anothers...I would find it hard to argue my point if it was split 3 ways.Do it, do it! Atleast try lol.
Post by: Whitpirate on February 11, 2013, 03:04:46 PM
Essentially why I did it. I wasn't setting a very good example for my kids.
I'm with ya.
Post by: Curly on February 11, 2013, 03:06:11 PM
The issue is the $ is being taken from one group to pay for anothers...I would find it hard to argue my point if it was split 3 ways.:yeah:
Also, the DP is a band aid fix and does not address the real problem which is mismanagement of State Parks. There has to be other ways to run the State Park system to be in the black. :twocents:
Post by: Gringo31 on February 11, 2013, 03:06:31 PM
IF I am drawn and "forced" to buy one.....
I'll feel ashamed :bash:
Post by: buckfvr on February 11, 2013, 03:08:05 PM
But because I recreate with some DNR guys, I buy it and complain.
Post by: bobcat on February 11, 2013, 03:12:00 PM
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Also, the DP is a band aid fix and does not address the real problem which is mismanagement of State Parks. There has to be other ways to run the State Park system to be in the black.
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Published February 08, 2013
Lawmakers seek to match Discover Pass fees from general fund
JORDAN SCHRADER
Lawmakers tried to move the parks system off the state budget and onto user fees, but so far there have been simply too few users. Now a proposal with bipartisan backing calls for restoring some of the money.
A proposal introduced Thursday by Republican parks-committee chairman Kirk Pearson of Monroe with backing from the panel’s lead Democrat, Christine Rolfes of Bainbridge Island, would match the parking fees brought in by the Discover Pass with an equal sum from the state’s general fund.
A separate idea put forward by Pearson and the Senate’s GOP-dominated majority is a four-year diversion of money to parks from a tax on grocery items that is meant for litter cleanup and recycling programs.
Money from the main state budget will be hotly contested in the Legislature, which faces a court order to provide more dependable school funding and is seeing everyone from college officials to mental-health advocates crying out for relief from years of cuts.
Diverting all of roughly $20 million in litter taxes won’t be easy either, even though lawmakers have grabbed money from that fund in the past for general needs. “It’s not popular with a lot of people,” Pearson acknowledged at a public hearing where it soon became clear he was right.
“The tax dollars are going to programs that mean something for the environment,” Jan Gee, president of the Washington Food Industry Association, said after the hearing.
The GOP-backed plan builds on a suggestion last year by then-Sen. Dino Rossi. It stirred some interest in the Democratic minority on Thursday, although not pledges of support.
“There’s a beauty to the idea that if we’re going to sweep it, let’s sweep it for state parks,” Rolfes said of the litter fund.
Still, the idea drew fire from a variety of interests — not just from the businesses that pay the 0.015 percent tax but also from government agencies that use the money and even from public-lands advocates complaining about a part of the measure redirecting money away from parks’ expansion projects and land purchases. It would mandate that money instead be spent on park maintenance, which some Republicans say should be a bigger priority.
Planned projects that would lose funding include a parking addition at the proposed Nisqually State Park and the purchase of 214 more acres of privately owned land for the Eatonville-area park, as well as the purchase of a recreational-vehicle resort next to Millersylvania State Park south of Olympia.
Opponents said the projects could generate more visitors and revenue. They agreed with supporters that more money is needed to keep the existing parks open, staffed and maintained.
“That’s why you need to put money (from) the general fund to help us, to pay to maintain those facilities,” Joe Mentor, treasurer of the Washington Wildlife and Recreation Coalition, told lawmakers. “Those facilities are there for the citizens of the state to use, and many of them can’t pay. … Every year you will see fewer people using those state parks and every year you will see less revenue, not more.”
Unless lawmakers add some revenue, parks are set to receive no money at all from the next two-year general-fund budget.
Instead, they are supposed to rely on fees such as the Discover Pass. But the $30 annual pass and $10 daily fee, created in 2011 and intended to raise $64 million for state-lands agencies in its first two years with most going to parks, has instead raised just shy of $24 million after 18 months.
Park advocates along with Pearson and Rolfes call for a state match of parks’ Discover Pass proceeds, which are projected to total $27 million for the two-year period ending this June.
The same measure also calls for giving the parks extra state funds to make up for what they forego because of free admission and free or reduced campsite rentals for low-income seniors, the disabled and others — at a cost of $7 million every two years according to the parks agency. The bill also adds food-stamp recipients to the list of people entitled to free admittance.
Jordan Schrader: 360-786-1826
blog.thenewstribune.com/politics
jordan.schrader@thenewstribune.com
Read more here: http://www.theolympian.com/2013/02/08/v-print/2415309/lawmakers-seek-to-match-discover.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.theolympian.com/2013/02/08/v-print/2415309/lawmakers-seek-to-match-discover.html#storylink=cpy)
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2013, 03:14:48 PM
The issue is the $ is being taken from one group to pay for anothers...I would find it hard to argue my point if it was split 3 ways.:yeah:
Also, the DP is a band aid fix and does not address the real problem which is mismanagement of State Parks. There has to be other ways to run the State Park system to be in the black. :twocents:
The whole pay to play system IS fair, and if you use the state parks you should buy a DP and be happy to support a resource you use...
To me this issue is just like the Licence plate funds being raided, or the ORV funds, or..... You fill inthe blank... I hate how they rob petter to pay paul so i refuse to give them anymore than i have to. :twocents:
Post by: Curly on February 11, 2013, 03:15:27 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 11, 2013, 03:19:36 PM
WTH does State Parks need so much money? :dunno: Most of the land should be paid off by now. I don't get it. Has their been an audit to see where the money is going? Just doesn't make sense to me.........
Lots of maintenance is required. Doesn't it cost a fair amount for you to maintain your home and property?
The state parks employees have to be paid.
Didn't you work at a state park once? :dunno:
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2013, 03:24:13 PM
Post by: logger on February 11, 2013, 03:31:25 PM
Post by: Quarteredaway on February 11, 2013, 05:27:24 PM
Post by: Curly on February 11, 2013, 05:30:21 PM
WTH does State Parks need so much money? :dunno: Most of the land should be paid off by now. I don't get it. Has their been an audit to see where the money is going? Just doesn't make sense to me.........
Lots of maintenance is required. Doesn't it cost a fair amount for you to maintain your home and property?Yes, but the difference is that I don't ask people that don't live here to pay for my maintenance.
The state parks employees have to be paid. I understand that. But maybe there are too many employees. Or maybe they need to contract out some of the work. I bet a private landscaping business would do lawn mowing, brush cutting and the like way cheaper than it costs to employ state employees.
Didn't you work at a state park once? :dunno: Yes I did. That is why I believe there is likely a lot of waste there. I witnessed it. That was 27 years ago, though, so I bet the waste is worse now.
I don't like the idea of 84% of the pass going to Parks.
What really should have happened is there should be a pass for Parks and one for DNR; we already have the one for WDFW. They could have a vinyl decal that sticks to your windshield (like the State Park boat launch permit).
And like you already said, they should only require the DP for DNR campgrounds, and improved trailheads and parking areas............not for simply driving on DNR logging roads or parking on the side of a logging road and walking cross country.
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 05:33:49 PM
I agree everyone should pay something to use public land....... but i believe i already do my part buying my 100.00 hunting licenses and tags every year.. :twocents:lol Only public to those who own and maintain the land, oh and charge for use of it :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on February 11, 2013, 05:36:50 PM
I agree everyone should pay something to use public land....... but i believe i already do my part buying my 100.00 hunting licenses and tags every year.. :twocents:
Your hunting license money does not go to DNR or State Parks. So if you use those lands at all, you're paying nothing to help support them. But yes, you are paying into the WDFW, and for WDFW land, you don't need the Discover pass. Only your vehicle use pass is required, and you get that with the purchase of your hunting license.
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2013, 05:40:08 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 11, 2013, 05:48:06 PM
another thing i would love to know is how many of these guys saying ashamed actually have bought the discover Pass ...I have not and I never plan on it !!!!!!!
Post by: Curly on February 11, 2013, 05:58:49 PM
Post by: yote on February 11, 2013, 05:59:50 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 11, 2013, 06:00:47 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 11, 2013, 06:03:33 PM
Glad you bent over for the feds! I will fight till the end! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Feds? What are you talking about? The Discover pass is for state land. Or maybe I totally misunderstood your post. :dunno:
Post by: ICEMAN on February 11, 2013, 07:02:28 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on February 11, 2013, 07:05:43 PM
Post by: logger on February 11, 2013, 07:09:24 PM
I will buy it, only so I can wipe my bung hole with it later.haha :chuckle: when I am on dnr land I don't have to have 1. must be the millions my co. spends with em every year :dunno: When my co. was and still is going through the tough economy, we cut heads and ran lean with what we could. The gov. should be no different.
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 11, 2013, 07:23:45 PM
The other issue is that it can only be used with two vehicles. So the pass I bought, if I put the license plate from my Bronco and my truck on the pass, the wife and I cannot use her car to take the family to a state park.
I paid for it, I should be able to use it for any vehicle I own.
Ah the good old days. When the taxes we pay to the state used to cover things like this. The general fund used to cover so much more. The reason for all of these "pay to play" permits is due to mishandling of funds by our elected, and their appointed, officials.
My Dad is retired from the Fisheries/WDFW. At one time license costs and fines used to cover most of the operating costs. Along with Pittman/Robertson Act monies. Then they got too big for their britches and had to start dipping into the general fund. It has been downhill from there.
I don't know the details of the Parks Dept., but would bet there is a similar story in there somewhere. At the rate we are going all outdoor activities will be the sport of kings again and we will be relegated to the role of serfs again.
Post by: boneaddict on February 11, 2013, 07:30:20 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 11, 2013, 08:30:12 PM
Glad you bent over for the feds! I will fight till the end! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Feds? What are you talking about? The Discover pass is for state land. Or maybe I totally misund
erstood your post. :dunno:
Sorry ment the state. Cant see why everyone cant support a boycot for this stuff??????? DO NOT BUY THE PASS! HUNT SOMEWHERE ELSE!
Post by: MLHSN on February 11, 2013, 08:37:53 PM
Post by: Scrotus on February 11, 2013, 08:39:04 PM
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 11, 2013, 08:42:50 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 11, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
:cryriver:
Post by: kentrek on February 11, 2013, 09:04:10 PM
did get a parking ticket the other day so maybe there on to me.. :chuckle:
Post by: Wenatcheejay on February 11, 2013, 09:19:37 PM
My name is Jayson. I bought a Discovery Pass. :cryriver:
Post by: RadSav on February 11, 2013, 09:21:19 PM
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 11, 2013, 09:35:45 PM
Post by: ellensburgpo on February 11, 2013, 09:36:27 PM
Proud your following the rules...ashamed that you started a thread about it :tung:
Too funny. :tup:
Post by: jackelope on February 11, 2013, 09:51:10 PM
What about when you are there for non-company related activities like hunting?I will buy it, only so I can wipe my bung hole with it later.haha :chuckle: when I am on dnr land I don't have to have 1. must be the millions my co. spends with em every year :dunno: When my co. was and still is going through the tough economy, we cut heads and ran lean with what we could. The gov. should be no different.
Post by: Special T on February 11, 2013, 11:35:52 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 12, 2013, 04:44:09 AM
Proud your following the rules...ashamed that you started a thread about it :tung:
:chuckle: Good point
Post by: Ripper on February 12, 2013, 08:33:25 AM
Post by: Arnbo on February 12, 2013, 08:54:44 AM
We were just shooting a few rounds and there were four other vehicles then ours.
About an hour after getting there State GameWarden drove in and sat and watched
And then got out walking up to us first.First words were "Isee you are shooting at paper targets and
Not plastic,TVs, Electronics(The place is littered with junk) and then asks if we have aDiscovery Pass
We said yes explained we did and then hung it. He explained a pass was needed because this was State land.
He then walked over to the other people and we seen him pointing around and then heard the people
Clearly expressing their thoughts with lots of Cussing.Tickets for everyone with out a Pass and for shooting at the old electronics.
Post by: boneaddict on February 12, 2013, 09:09:38 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2013, 09:24:15 AM
Just curious. Glad to hear the laws are being enforced and citations being written.
Post by: huntnphool on February 12, 2013, 09:41:56 AM
Post by: Humptulips on February 12, 2013, 11:32:56 AM
Result I bought a $30 pass I can't use and evidently don't need anyway. I feel so much better knowing I helped keep the state parks running. :(
Post by: skywalker253 on February 12, 2013, 03:18:40 PM
I bought mine and have not accessed any areas, which require it. I figure I will end up needed it at some point, so better to have it, then not to have it.
And I paid $72,000 in taxes last year. So if anyone should be bitching; it should be me.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 12, 2013, 03:26:29 PM
Bobcat ...I think he is right ..yes it is the state but are not DNR patrolmen Federal ? Or do they all work for the state ?Glad you bent over for the feds! I will fight till the end! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Feds? What are you talking about? The Discover pass is for state land. Or maybe I totally misunderstood your post. :dunno:
Post by: huntnphool on February 12, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
I can't beleive this topic has made it this many pages over a $35 DP.:bow: if you read all the pages you should realize the cost is a non factor.
And I paid $72,000 in taxes last year.
Post by: Curly on February 12, 2013, 03:42:54 PM
I can't beleive this topic has made it this many pages over a $35 DP.:bow: if you read all the pages you should realize the cost is a non factor.
And I paid $72,000 in taxes last year. So if anyone should be bitching; it should be me.
:yeah: It is the principle of the thing. Funding the State Parks Dept on the backs of us sportsmen is morally wrong. And requiring us to pay to use DNR land is not right unless we are using their campgrounds or maintained parking areas/trails. :twocents:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 12, 2013, 04:00:51 PM
:tup: :tup:I can't beleive this topic has made it this many pages over a $35 DP.:bow: if you read all the pages you should realize the cost is a non factor.
And I paid $72,000 in taxes last year. So if anyone should be bitching; it should be me.
:yeah: It is the principle of the thing. Funding the State Parks Dept on the backs of us sportsmen is morally wrong. And requiring us to pay to use DNR land is not right unless we are using their campgrounds or maintained parking areas/trails. :twocents:
Post by: logger on February 12, 2013, 06:57:11 PM
To be 100% honest it never crosses my mind, never had a problem, I just don't think about it since I am in there everyday. If I get caught, I got it coming.What about when you are there for non-company related activities like hunting?I will buy it, only so I can wipe my bung hole with it later.haha :chuckle: when I am on dnr land I don't have to have 1. must be the millions my co. spends with em every year :dunno: When my co. was and still is going through the tough economy, we cut heads and ran lean with what we could. The gov. should be no different.
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 12, 2013, 07:09:28 PM
To be 100% honest it never crosses my mind, never had a problem, I just don't think about it since I am in there everyday. If I get caught, I got it coming.What about when you are there for non-company related activities like hunting?I will buy it, only so I can wipe my bung hole with it later.haha :chuckle: when I am on dnr land I don't have to have 1. must be the millions my co. spends with em every year :dunno: When my co. was and still is going through the tough economy, we cut heads and ran lean with what we could. The gov. should be no different.
No wonder people don't like huntesr and loggers after a statement like that. Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it, and right is right even if no one is doing it.
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2013, 07:10:43 PM
Post by: logger on February 12, 2013, 07:13:14 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on February 12, 2013, 07:16:13 PM
Bobcat ...I think he is right ..yes it is the state but are not DNR patrolmen Federal ? Or do they all work for the state ?Glad you bent over for the feds! I will fight till the end! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Feds? What are you talking about? The Discover pass is for state land. Or maybe I totally misunderstood your post. :dunno:
DNR Enforcement are state employees just like WSP and WDFW LEO.
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 12, 2013, 07:27:04 PM
I don't care if I'm liked or not, I have way bigger issues than to care what other people think of me.
I like that. A good dose of civil disobedience, followed by an F off attitude. :o
Post by: logger on February 12, 2013, 07:50:05 PM
take it however you want, don't care! he asked a question and I answered it honestly. don't know how much more honest I could be about it.I don't care if I'm liked or not, I have way bigger issues than to care what other people think of me.
I like that. A good dose of civil disobedience, followed by an F off attitude. :o
Post by: skywalker253 on February 12, 2013, 07:55:29 PM
I can't beleive this topic has made it this many pages over a $35 DP.:bow: if you read all the pages you should realize the cost is a non factor.
And I paid $72,000 in taxes last year.
I understand what your saying. I said it because several people were complaining about how they could not afford it, along with all the other permits/fee's we are required to pay.
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 12, 2013, 08:43:11 PM
take it however you want, don't care! he asked a question and I answered it honestly. don't know how much more honest I could be about it.I don't care if I'm liked or not, I have way bigger issues than to care what other people think of me.
I like that. A good dose of civil disobedience, followed by an F off attitude. :o
Logger,
I am not disagreeing with you. In some ways I would say I am more envious. I just wish I had the funding available to take the risk of being ticketed like you do. If I don't buy the pass I just make sure I don't use their land. Unfortunately that starts to limit my recreational opportunities as more and more private landowners start to lock things up and post it. I haven't bought a pass yet, and hope to never have to. I actually drive greater distances to find hunting opportunities so I don't have to. It's really irritating that our taxes don't cover things like this the way they used to. So now we pay taxes in this state, plus these little extra use taxes like the Discover Pass. Pay to play.
You mentioned earlier that you guys laid people off to stay lean during the downturn. You probably took other steps to limit expenses too. I would expect our government to do the same. But after the SOTU address tonight I see POTUS has set the bar higher to spend more money. I'm sure our wonderful state will think this is normal operating procedure and try to follow suit.
So pardon me for sounding like I was coming down on you. :sry: In fact, please take a drive through DNR, WDFW or Parks land for a non business related activity for me. :tup:
Post by: logger on February 12, 2013, 09:34:54 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 12, 2013, 11:03:43 PM
Really, which posts were those? :dunno:I said it because several people were complaining about how they could not afford itI can't beleive this topic has made it this many pages over a $35 DP.
And I paid $72,000 in taxes last year.
Whats funny is you make light of those that don't want to pay $35 for the DP, boasting about your income, yet in another thread whine about private land owners wanting $1500 for a access fee to their private land for elk. Seems to me someone that boasts about paying $72K in taxes wouldn't think twice about paying $1500 in trespass fees for trophy elk, I sure as hell don't. :chuckle:
Just my :twocents: if you trully are making that kind of money, you need a new accountant/money manager. ;)
Post by: Mudman on February 12, 2013, 11:20:51 PM
Post by: skywalker253 on February 13, 2013, 01:07:53 AM
Really, which posts were those? :dunno:I said it because several people were complaining about how they could not afford itI can't beleive this topic has made it this many pages over a $35 DP.
And I paid $72,000 in taxes last year.
Whats funny is you make light of those that don't want to pay $35 for the DP, boasting about your income, yet in another thread whine about private land owners wanting $1500 for a access fee to their private land for elk. Seems to me someone that boasts about paying $72K in taxes wouldn't think twice about paying $1500 in trespass fees for trophy elk, I sure as hell don't. :chuckle:
Just my :twocents: if you trully are making that kind of money, you need a new accountant/money manager. ;)
Oh geez! Here comes another argument.
Post #18- Expressed frustration with having to buy passes for multiple vehicles and incinuating is was not affordable.
Post #63- Complained that with all the fee's, he could not afford to pay for a DP etc.
I get frusterating when I read people upset over $35. After reading this topic, I understand their point of view and agree with them. It is more about the principle, when they are already paying enough in taxes, fee's, etc. I agree with them. I know how that feels, as I make great money for my age. Every year I am in the third highest tax bracket in the country. Not trying to boast about my the money I make; just making the point that $35 is nothing compared to paying $72,000 in taxes on avg. every year. How is that fair? That is damn near 1/3 of my salary and I still have to pay for all this other crap. I pay it, because I have to and it is the right thing to do. I hope that my money is going to where they say it is.
And yes I was bitching about having to pay $1500 to hunt in my topic. It may be worth it to YOU, as you are a diehard hunter and probably don't mind paying that kind of money. You pay it, because you love hunting and want an opportunity to shoot the biggest bull in the woods. You want to impress your buddies on hunt-wa by posting your hunt story and the pictures to prove it. You will likely take it to the Sportsman Show and get it officially scored. There is nothing wrong with ANY of that, butl that kind of stuff is not that important too me. $1500 is not worth it to ME, as I am not a diehard hunter like you are. I don't care if I get the biggest bull in the woods. If I get one great! If not; I will try again next year and hope for the best. I have several hobbies outside of hunting to keep me busy; like my street rod collection, fishing, my family, and investing in realestate. They are far more expensive then hunting. Could I pay it? YES....will I NO. Why? Because if I do my homework, I can harvest a nice bull for free. Maybe not a 400 inch bull, but I don't care how big it is.
Post by: skywalker253 on February 13, 2013, 01:35:39 AM
Each of us has placed a value on hunting. Your value is far greater then mine, despite the fact that I could pay dearly to harvest an elk. Now back to the topic at hand...
Post by: MikeWalking on February 13, 2013, 04:19:11 AM
Post by: Simcoe hunter on February 13, 2013, 07:13:25 AM
3. Happy to see messed up, eroded, washed out trails get fixed real quick after it went into effect. Noting the $$ came from the Pass.
Where? I would be hard pressed to have seen or heard of improvements in my area. Maybe that is what is keeping the grass mowed at the local parks?
Post by: Mudman on February 13, 2013, 07:29:32 AM
Post by: Rgrady35 on February 13, 2013, 07:39:06 AM
Post by: Becky on February 13, 2013, 09:01:49 AM
Really, which posts were those? :dunno:I said it because several people were complaining about how they could not afford itI can't beleive this topic has made it this many pages over a $35 DP.
And I paid $72,000 in taxes last year.
Whats funny is you make light of those that don't want to pay $35 for the DP, boasting about your income, yet in another thread whine about private land owners wanting $1500 for a access fee to their private land for elk. Seems to me someone that boasts about paying $72K in taxes wouldn't think twice about paying $1500 in trespass fees for trophy elk, I sure as hell don't. :chuckle:
Just my :twocents: if you trully are making that kind of money, you need a new accountant/money manager. ;)
Oh geez! Here comes another argument.
Post #18- Expressed frustration with having to buy passes for multiple vehicles and incinuating is was not affordable.
Post #63- Complained that with all the fee's, he could not afford to pay for a DP etc.
I get frusterating when I read people upset over $35. After reading this topic, I understand their point of view and agree with them. It is more about the principle, when they are already paying enough in taxes, fee's, etc. I agree with them. I know how that feels, as I make great money for my age. Every year I am in the third highest tax bracket in the country. Not trying to boast about my the money I make; just making the point that $35 is nothing compared to paying $72,000 in taxes on avg. every year. How is that fair? That is damn near 1/3 of my salary and I still have to pay for all this other crap. I pay it, because I have to and it is the right thing to do. I hope that my money is going to where they say it is.
And yes I was bitching about having to pay $1500 to hunt in my topic. It may be worth it to YOU, as you are a diehard hunter and probably don't mind paying that kind of money. You pay it, because you love hunting and want an opportunity to shoot the biggest bull in the woods. You want to impress your buddies on hunt-wa by posting your hunt story and the pictures to prove it. You will likely take it to the Sportsman Show and get it officially scored. There is nothing wrong with ANY of that, butl that kind of stuff is not that important too me. $1500 is not worth it to ME, as I am not a diehard hunter like you are. I don't care if I get the biggest bull in the woods. If I get one great! If not; I will try again next year and hope for the best. I have several hobbies outside of hunting to keep me busy; like my street rod collection, fishing, my family, and investing in realestate. They are far more expensive then hunting. Could I pay it? YES....will I NO. Why? Because if I do my homework, I can harvest a nice bull for free. Maybe not a 400 inch bull, but I don't care how big it is.
Not getting into this side debate at all, I didn't read it fully to even voice an opinion... but since you pointed out my post (#18) I just wanted to specify I only meant they do not ALLOW me to purchase another pass if I already have one purchased under my license is all. I tried. He looked me up in the computer and said "I'm sorry, you've already purchased a pass this year".
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2013, 09:08:27 AM
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Not getting into this side debate at all, I didn't read it fully to even voice an opinion... but since you pointed out my post (#18) I just wanted to specify I only meant they do not ALLOW me to purchase another pass if I already have one purchased under my license is all. I tried. He looked me up in the computer and said "I'm sorry, you've already purchased a pass this year".
The clerk was wrong. You should be able to buy as many as you want.
Post by: Becky on February 13, 2013, 09:11:47 AM
QuoteNot getting into this side debate at all, I didn't read it fully to even voice an opinion... but since you pointed out my post (#18) I just wanted to specify I only meant they do not ALLOW me to purchase another pass if I already have one purchased under my license is all. I tried. He looked me up in the computer and said "I'm sorry, you've already purchased a pass this year".
The clerk was wrong. You should be able to buy as many as you want.
Oooooh really? Good to know :) ... it was *ahem* a walmart clerk... lol. He didn't even try any further, once he seen it already purchased he said I already have the pass and sort of dismissed me.
Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2013, 09:20:57 AM
Exactly SG, I took it just as you intended it, I didn't see you or any of the other "several people complaining" about it anywhere in the thread?Really, which posts were those? :dunno:I said it because several people were complaining about how they could not afford itI can't beleive this topic has made it this many pages over a $35 DP.
And I paid $72,000 in taxes last year.
Whats funny is you make light of those that don't want to pay $35 for the DP, boasting about your income, yet in another thread whine about private land owners wanting $1500 for a access fee to their private land for elk. Seems to me someone that boasts about paying $72K in taxes wouldn't think twice about paying $1500 in trespass fees for trophy elk, I sure as hell don't. :chuckle:
Just my :twocents: if you trully are making that kind of money, you need a new accountant/money manager. ;)
Oh geez! Here comes another argument.
Post #18- Expressed frustration with having to buy passes for multiple vehicles and incinuating is was not affordable.
Post #63- Complained that with all the fee's, he could not afford to pay for a DP etc.
I get frusterating when I read people upset over $35. After reading this topic, I understand their point of view and agree with them. It is more about the principle, when they are already paying enough in taxes, fee's, etc. I agree with them. I know how that feels, as I make great money for my age. Every year I am in the third highest tax bracket in the country. Not trying to boast about my the money I make; just making the point that $35 is nothing compared to paying $72,000 in taxes on avg. every year. How is that fair? That is damn near 1/3 of my salary and I still have to pay for all this other crap. I pay it, because I have to and it is the right thing to do. I hope that my money is going to where they say it is.
And yes I was bitching about having to pay $1500 to hunt in my topic. It may be worth it to YOU, as you are a diehard hunter and probably don't mind paying that kind of money. You pay it, because you love hunting and want an opportunity to shoot the biggest bull in the woods. You want to impress your buddies on hunt-wa by posting your hunt story and the pictures to prove it. You will likely take it to the Sportsman Show and get it officially scored. There is nothing wrong with ANY of that, butl that kind of stuff is not that important too me. $1500 is not worth it to ME, as I am not a diehard hunter like you are. I don't care if I get the biggest bull in the woods. If I get one great! If not; I will try again next year and hope for the best. I have several hobbies outside of hunting to keep me busy; like my street rod collection, fishing, my family, and investing in realestate. They are far more expensive then hunting. Could I pay it? YES....will I NO. Why? Because if I do my homework, I can harvest a nice bull for free. Maybe not a 400 inch bull, but I don't care how big it is.
Not getting into this side debate at all, I didn't read it fully to even voice an opinion... but since you pointed out my post (#18) I just wanted to specify I only meant they do not ALLOW me to purchase another pass if I already have one purchased under my license is all. I tried. He looked me up in the computer and said "I'm sorry, you've already purchased a pass this year".
Post by: skywalker253 on February 13, 2013, 11:05:13 AM
Let's be honest; people are complaining about having to buy a DP, or we would not even have this thread. For various reasons, but ultimately most are not exactly thrilled about having to purchase it. Some are taking the "outlaw" approach and bucking the system out of protest. At the end of the day....its only $35. Just buy the DP and hope your funds are used properly.
$35 to access an area to hunt (DP) versus paying a land owner $1500 to access an area to hunt, is a huge difference. I can buy 43 DP's a year for that price!
Post by: skywalker253 on February 13, 2013, 11:06:50 AM
Post by: Mudman on February 13, 2013, 01:04:17 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on February 13, 2013, 02:10:33 PM
3. Happy to see messed up, eroded, washed out trails get fixed real quick after it went into effect. Noting the $$ came from the Pass.
Where? I would be hard pressed to have seen or heard of improvements in my area. Maybe that is what is keeping the grass mowed at the local parks?
Granite Mt and Snow Lake for starters
Post by: Gringo31 on February 13, 2013, 05:04:39 PM
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At the end of the day....its only $35. Just buy the DP and hope your funds are used properly.
$35 to access an area to hunt (DP) versus paying a land owner $1500 to access an area to hunt, is a huge difference. I can buy 43 DP's a year for that price!
I know what you are saying "makes sense" but.......
How many times have we heard that we don't pay enough? EVERYTHING is getting hiked and it seems opportunity keeps getting slashed. To bend over and continue getting hozed while we hope that "it is used properly" isn't enough for some of us. I may lose in a fight of a prison rape scene, but someone is getting punched in the mouth.
Yes, that sounds extreeme, but the non-stop increases in $ and decreases in anything good makes me bow out and avoid such a great deal.
Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2013, 05:27:09 PM
What about post #63?Yes they are, however not as a result of the price as you suggested. ;)
Let's be honest; people are complaining about having to buy a DP
Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2013, 05:33:47 PM
I understand why you did not acknowledge post #63. Nobody likes to be proven wrong in a public forum. I probably wouldn't admit it either. No biggie! Good try thou! :tup:His post seems relatively easy to comprehend, clearly describing the cost of all the passes he has to acquire each year combined, and not necessarily the $35 for the DP alone.
Perhaps I over estimate your reasoning abilities, my mistake. :dunno:
Post by: skywalker253 on February 14, 2013, 12:01:36 AM
I understand why you did not acknowledge post #63. Nobody likes to be proven wrong in a public forum. I probably wouldn't admit it either. No biggie! Good try thou! :tup:His post seems relatively easy to comprehend, clearly describing the cost of all the passes he has to acquire each year combined, and not necessarily the $35 for the DP alone.
Perhaps I over estimate your reasoning abilities, my mistake. :dunno:
You like many others on this site have all the answers and are never wrong. You the man! :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on February 14, 2013, 12:14:13 AM
I freely admit I'm wrong quite often, just not in this case. ;)I understand why you did not acknowledge post #63. Nobody likes to be proven wrong in a public forum. I probably wouldn't admit it either. No biggie! Good try thou! :tup:His post seems relatively easy to comprehend, clearly describing the cost of all the passes he has to acquire each year combined, and not necessarily the $35 for the DP alone.
Perhaps I over estimate your reasoning abilities, my mistake. :dunno:
You like many others on this site have all the answers and are never wrong. You the man! :tup:
Post by: Machias on February 14, 2013, 05:07:19 AM
Post by: skywalker253 on February 14, 2013, 01:23:57 PM
I freely admit I'm wrong quite often, just not in this case. ;)I understand why you did not acknowledge post #63. Nobody likes to be proven wrong in a public forum. I probably wouldn't admit it either. No biggie! Good try thou! :tup:His post seems relatively easy to comprehend, clearly describing the cost of all the passes he has to acquire each year combined, and not necessarily the $35 for the DP alone.
Perhaps I over estimate your reasoning abilities, my mistake. :dunno:
You like many others on this site have all the answers and are never wrong. You the man! :tup:
You the man bro! :tup:
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