Post by: DoubleJ on February 17, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
Post by: Hunterman on February 17, 2013, 10:08:12 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: DoubleJ on February 17, 2013, 10:21:47 AM
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Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 17, 2013, 11:07:57 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on February 17, 2013, 11:28:18 AM
Post by: high country on February 17, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 17, 2013, 01:29:19 PM
the barrel we were going to cut is a 28" barrel
The choke is right at the end of the barrel--you cut even 3 inches off, and the choke is GONE!
Post by: snowpack on February 17, 2013, 01:47:37 PM
Post by: Wazukie on February 17, 2013, 02:19:39 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 17, 2013, 02:33:09 PM
If you register as an AOW I believe you can cut as short as you want.
As long as it has a pistol grip and not a buttstock. A rifle with a barrel less than 16 inches, or a shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches is classed as a short-barreled rifle/shotgun. Illegal in Washington State.
Wazukie: You try arguing that technicality with the ATF--a gun barrel usually has a chamber machined into it, and a block attatched to lock it into the receiver. In a State that says it's illegal to even possess a PART to a full auto firearm, I think your protest will fall on unsympathetic ears... :chuckle:
Post by: Wazukie on February 17, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
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Post by: DoubleJ on February 17, 2013, 03:06:59 PM
the barrel we were going to cut is a 28" barrel
The choke is right at the end of the barrel--you cut even 3 inches off, and the choke is GONE!
It wasn't about cutting the choke off
Post by: DoubleJ on February 17, 2013, 03:07:46 PM
Why would you want one that short anyway? 18.5 is plenty short. :twocents:
Why not? Seemed cool after a few beers
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 17, 2013, 03:11:29 PM
so, if it is against the law to own a "part" to a full auto firearm, does that mean a semi-auto and a full-auto use different barrels or receivers or even triggers? :dunno:
Yes, As in the case of an AR-15, in order to convert it to full-auto, a hole has to be drilled in the receiver. Also, the bolt carrier is different, as well as a few other parts. All illegal to posess if you don't have a Class III license. Most manufacturers won't even ship the full-auto parts that they make to Washington State Class III Dealers the laws here are so restrictive!
Post by: yorketransport on February 17, 2013, 06:25:10 PM
Andrew
Post by: ribka on February 17, 2013, 06:28:19 PM
Ok in Idaho, Oregon, Montana etc but not Washington
Post by: DoubleJ on February 17, 2013, 06:33:45 PM
You could just fill out the NFA paperwork and then cut it as short as you want. I have a buddy who did that so he could have a 16" barreled shotgun. I can't tell the difference between 16" and 18" though when swinging it. But what do I know, most of my handguns have 18" barrels. :chuckle:
Andrew
Pistol grip only. Sounds like a hand gun to me
Post by: Fisherdave10 on February 17, 2013, 11:49:59 PM
so, if it is against the law to own a "part" to a full auto firearm, does that mean a semi-auto and a full-auto use different barrels or receivers or even triggers? :dunno:
Yes, As in the case of an AR-15, in order to convert it to full-auto, a hole has to be drilled in the receiver. Also, the bolt carrier is different, as well as a few other parts. All illegal to posess if you don't have a Class III license. Most manufacturers won't even ship the full-auto parts that they make to Washington State Class III Dealers the laws here are so restrictive!
Full auto style BCGs are legal in WA. An auto style BCG does nothing to make the AR fully automatic and it is not exclusively used in fully automatic guns, so it is not considered a machine gun part. If auto style BCGs weren't legal here, local dealers wouldn't be selling them and mil-spec style AR rifles (Colt 6920, etc...) could not be sold here either.
Off the top of my head, the rule is: if a certain part is exclusively used in a fully automatic version of a firearm and not used in a legally produced semi-automatic version, it is a machine gun part. Auto BCGs are commonly used in semi-auto AR15s. IF an AR15 had an auto sear or lightning link (actual machine gun parts), the auto style BCG would trip it, allowing it to function as intended while a semi-auto only BCG could not trip an auto sear. That's the only difference.
The "machine gun" parts for an AR15 are all in the fire control group and an extra hole/pin in the receiver as far as I know.
Post by: Stilly bay on February 18, 2013, 12:28:37 AM
Post by: jyerxa on February 18, 2013, 12:41:45 AM
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Post by: bear hunter on February 18, 2013, 01:27:19 AM
Post by: huntinguy on February 18, 2013, 07:20:57 AM
You could just fill out the NFA paperwork and then cut it as short as you want. I have a buddy who did that so he could have a 16" barreled shotgun. I can't tell the difference between 16" and 18" though when swinging it. But what do I know, most of my handguns have 18" barrels. :chuckle:
Andrew
Pistol grip only. Sounds like a hand gun to me
A smooth bore pistol, I do believe, is not legal in Washington and in any state that allows them you have to have a federal stamp. Rossi tried that with the 28 gauge Judge. Uncle said no.
Post by: DoubleJ on February 18, 2013, 12:00:53 PM
You could just fill out the NFA paperwork and then cut it as short as you want. I have a buddy who did that so he could have a 16" barreled shotgun. I can't tell the difference between 16" and 18" though when swinging it. But what do I know, most of my handguns have 18" barrels. :chuckle:
Andrew
Pistol grip only. Sounds like a hand gun to me
A smooth bore pistol, I do believe, is not legal in Washington and in any state that allows them you have to have a federal stamp. Rossi tried that with the 28 gauge Judge. Uncle said no.
What if the barrel is rifled?
Post by: DoubleJ on February 18, 2013, 12:01:43 PM
Sell the barrel :tup: What brand shotgun and gauge? :twocents:
Rem 870 12ga. Not sure it's in sellable condition. Need's re-blued in the worst way. Doubt he's sell it anyway
Post by: Fisherdave10 on February 18, 2013, 11:37:35 PM
You could just fill out the NFA paperwork and then cut it as short as you want. I have a buddy who did that so he could have a 16" barreled shotgun. I can't tell the difference between 16" and 18" though when swinging it. But what do I know, most of my handguns have 18" barrels. :chuckle:
Andrew
Pistol grip only. Sounds like a hand gun to me
A smooth bore pistol, I do believe, is not legal in Washington and in any state that allows them you have to have a federal stamp. Rossi tried that with the 28 gauge Judge. Uncle said no.
What if the barrel is rifled?
The Taurus Judge has a rifled barrel and is "officially" chambered in .45 Colt. That's why it's considered a handgun and not a sawed off short barreled shotgun. Rossi probably couldn't find a non-shotgun shell cartridge that would have worked in a 28 gauge rifled barrel and even then, the pistol might be considered a destructive device since it is over .50 caliber and has a rifled barrel. Psssh... gun laws. :rolleyes: