Post by: Pappy on February 27, 2013, 08:43:51 PM
What about the UV effects? Will one wash counter all the UV brighteners from the normal detergents I've used on my base layers?
Post by: hollymaster on February 27, 2013, 08:52:18 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on February 27, 2013, 08:55:34 PM
Post by: Crunchy on February 27, 2013, 09:15:48 PM
Post by: Pappy on February 27, 2013, 09:27:45 PM
Also, as to my original question, how effectively are the scents removed? Can I take my hiking baselayers and remove the scent well enough for hunting? What about hiking clothes that I have near a stinky campfire?
Post by: Special T on February 27, 2013, 09:30:49 PM
Post by: huntnnw on February 28, 2013, 01:39:44 AM
Post by: shadowless_nite on February 28, 2013, 03:09:50 AM
say you wore a super fancy scent blocking jacket washed in the latest and greatest technology cleaners. you wear it for any sort of time standing up with the jacket nice and fluffed, then proceed to sit down and all of the sudden reduced the volume of air in this jacket, its not air tight and it gets pushed out the neck, sleeves waist and what not, that air has your scent... No human made scent eliminator will be good enough to fool a animal that survives by using its nose which is X amount of times more sensitive than hours. Unless they make one that actively kills bacteria, stops you from releasing moisture and any other skin secretions (salt, pheromones, oils) but if it got that far I would be worried about other things.
Post by: Pappy on February 28, 2013, 08:08:02 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 28, 2013, 08:45:00 AM
Post by: shadowless_nite on February 28, 2013, 12:00:10 PM
Thanks guys - great info! And yeah, not dropping any money on super scent blocking clothing, largely for the reasons you mention (not being air tight). I just want to make sure I'm not screwing myself over if I use some normal day to day stuff under or mixed in with my hunting clothing.
yeah affordable clothing in odor reducing fabric such as merino wool socks compared to cotton is quite affordable. But a $200 jacket is another story. Besides anything being airtight against your skin wouldn't be good it would be like wearing a bandaid on your hand while in the summer. it gets moist and nasty underneath and pruney.
Post by: buckfvr on February 28, 2013, 12:12:37 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 28, 2013, 12:28:15 PM
get a blacklight and pass your hunting clothes under it. If they glow you have a problem. Deer and elk see in the uv spectrum. Youll stand out like a neon sign camo or not. I get close enough to deer and elk to hear them nipping the browse and grass off the stems. I once had a yote pass 1 foot behind me with its nose down on the trail and it wasnt aware i was sitting there. Thats when i became a true believer. But to make it all work together you have to bathe daily. We take baths in the morning then i spray cover scent over my entire body and hair. During the season my
hair is 1/2 inch long for no fuss. Other parts get trimmed as well
:rolleyes: to keep the harbors for stink producing bacteria to a minimum. The place where it all falls apart is when you overdress which causes you to sweat while usually just walking about. That knocks one leg of your efforts out from under you and theres only
3. Sight, sound and smell. If you can consistently beat any 2 out of the 3 you can get really close to critters. Its not a difficult regimen but you have to be disciplined about it.
Post by: buckfvr on February 28, 2013, 12:35:15 PM
If it worked as advertised, it'd be illegal in this state........nuff said ???????
That being said, I am also anal about scent control......everything gets washed and sprayed and stored in tubs....I dont wear hunting clothes for anything but hunting. Even boots get sprayed and stored and sprayed again each use......every article of clothing......
SPRAY DOWN OR STAY HOME.........
And on the personal level, all scent free soaps and deodorants DAILY......even tooth paste....
Post by: washelkhunter on February 28, 2013, 12:50:14 PM
That being said, I am also anal about scent control......everything gets washed and sprayed and stored in tubs....I dont wear hunting clothes for anything but hunting. Even boots get sprayed and stored and sprayed again each use......every article of clothing......
SPRAY DOWN OR STAY HOME.........
And on the personal level, all scent free soaps and deodorants DAILY......even tooth paste....
:yeah:
Post by: LowRange on February 28, 2013, 01:40:46 PM
Dont forget the axe handle as well.
I do have to say that all my hunting buddys really enjoy the info you guy-gals are coming up with.
Guess we just been lucky all these years or its the fresh hay bale scent we stuff into our pockets. :lol4:
Post by: buckfvr on February 28, 2013, 01:45:43 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 02:00:50 PM
This is getting to be to funny guys. But on a side note i do use un scented oil on my fire arms and of course wipe down the handle on the camp coffee pot each and every use.Must be a rifle hunter shooting at over 100yards, am I right?
Dont forget the axe handle as well.
I do have to say that all my hunting buddys really enjoy the info you guy-gals are coming up with.
Guess we just been lucky all these years or its the fresh hay bale scent we stuff into our pockets. :lol4:
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 02:01:47 PM
When you get done being full of yourself, maybe then youll realize we are talking more about bow hunting and being 20 yards and less from animals, and that your ways would certainly result in your luck running out if you picked up a bow......:chuckle: Exactly. Rifle Hunting to Bow Hunting are two totally different worlds.
Post by: LowRange on February 28, 2013, 02:43:51 PM
Just wonder how they did it in the old days,my father was kinda stumped on that one as he never did use any of this new voo-doo stuff you speak of in his bow hunting days.
You guys are just to funny. How you get to where you are going anyways? You must have to drive at some point and get out for the day,unless of course you camp ALL the time?
So you get up and out at zero dark thirty and change into cold clothes,spritz yourself down,on youre return you grab youre other clothes hanging in the tree from the morning ordeal,hang out them hunting duds,under wear and all i suspect? Get dressed for the evening campfire or ride home and do it all over again?
You guys kiddin right or is this an off shoot of the BigFoot thread?
My how things have changed,,to to funny
:dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Pappy on February 28, 2013, 02:52:34 PM
Nope,talking about hunting in general.
Just wonder how they did it in the old days,my father was kinda stumped on that one as he never did use any of this new voo-doo stuff you speak of in his bow hunting days.
You guys are just to funny. How you get to where you are going anyways? You must have to drive at some point and get out for the day,unless of course you camp ALL the time?
So you get up and out at zero dark thirty and change into cold clothes,spritz yourself down,on youre return you grab youre other clothes hanging in the tree from the morning ordeal,hang out them hunting duds,under wear and all i suspect? Get dressed for the evening campfire or ride home and do it all over again?
You guys kiddin right or is this an off shoot of the BigFoot thread?
My how things have changed,,to to funny
:dunno: :chuckle:
OK I'll bite - so at what range is grandpa typically shooting critters in his blue jeans and grease and camp fire smelling flannel?
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 02:56:56 PM
Nope,talking about hunting in general.People weren't as effective hunters back in the day. Thats why almost any species of animals had an over-abundancy. Obviously things have changed. Animals are a lot more scarce these days. Thanks to things like more accurate weaponry and ammunition. Scent Elimination. Camouflage. Etc. I doubt back in the early days anyone would be standing toe to toe with an elk sniffing your broadheads "or arrowheads back in the day" stuck at full draw because hes too close for a good shot.
Just wonder how they did it in the old days,my father was kinda stumped on that one as he never did use any of this new voo-doo stuff you speak of in his bow hunting days.
You guys are just to funny. How you get to where you are going anyways? You must have to drive at some point and get out for the day,unless of course you camp ALL the time?
So you get up and out at zero dark thirty and change into cold clothes,spritz yourself down,on youre return you grab youre other clothes hanging in the tree from the morning ordeal,hang out them hunting duds,under wear and all i suspect? Get dressed for the evening campfire or ride home and do it all over again?
You guys kiddin right or is this an off shoot of the BigFoot thread?
My how things have changed,,to to funny
:dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Mudman on February 28, 2013, 03:04:50 PM
Post by: Pappy on February 28, 2013, 03:12:53 PM
So I'll come clean - this will be my first year hunting big game, and that's why I have all the questions in all the different boards here. But I'm going the archery route because it appeals to me more. A friend of mine tipped the scales for me when he told me why he changed to archery. He told me the last season he went rifle hunting, he hiked up a small ridge, sat under a tree, ate a sandwich, glassed the clear cut below, spotted a buck at 230 yards, shot him, took him home and ate him.
It gets the job done, but I'm after the hunt as much as the food. That story sounds more like ordering in :)
Post by: jackmaster on February 28, 2013, 03:19:26 PM
Post by: Zardoz on February 28, 2013, 03:23:56 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 28, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 03:30:01 PM
Dunno smossy, I think they were better hunters. There was less game around here I have been told. Logging opened up more feed etc. Elk were in selective areas. Dad told me Lewis clark starved and had a hard time finding game, ate alot of fish. The scent things I do think help but I dont think they eliminate anything. I dont waste my money much and havent noticed a diff from when I was wasting my money on it. I use the cover spray and thats it. My dad smells like a cigar from 10ft away and does well hunting! :dunno:Dunno Its possible I could be wrong. I only go by what I know/see
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 03:30:49 PM
I wash my clothes in a mixture of baking soda and borax. I spray them down and put them in a tote with a couple pine branches. I'm not going to go overboard on the scent eliminating because I think being a good woodsman and paying attention to the wind is much more important but it certainly can't hurt. And in case your wondering I am a bow hunter and shot my deer this year at 7 yards.No way, Your a turkey hunter! :tung:
Post by: Cascade_fisher on February 28, 2013, 09:01:50 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 09:15:42 PM
If I use Just the DDW product.... Do I need to ALSO use a UV removal product? Or how does that work. Ive never had experience with any of this stuff as Im a new hunter.
Post by: dreamunelk on February 28, 2013, 09:28:12 PM
So, for hypoallergenic detergent or baking soda, do those act as a UV inhibitor as well? I'm all about pinching pennies if it's just as effective.
Also, as to my original question, how effectively are the scents removed? Can I take my hiking baselayers and remove the scent well enough for hunting? What about hiking clothes that I have near a stinky campfire?
No UV, basically pure soap.
Sent removed? Well it smells better than when I put it in. Do animals still smell me? Yes. As others have said stealth and using the wind. Tried and true methods used since man decided fresh meet was good.
I am usually out the whole early archery season and don't have access to laundry and showers usually consist of a cold creek or hypoallergenic baby wipes. So I am more concerned about UV and perfumes.
Post by: Cascade_fisher on February 28, 2013, 09:31:29 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on February 28, 2013, 09:44:41 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 09:47:17 PM
You guys are'nt gettin it. The whole scent free uv regimen is about buying you 5 seconds; God willing; of time to make a play on a critter that is confused about the current situation. Thats all. Its about being close, really close. Like within 2 yards or less. Thats exciting.Im not following, Your lack of information in regards to your comment is confusing to say the least.
Post by: Mudman on February 28, 2013, 09:56:42 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 10:05:11 PM
Post by: Mudman on February 28, 2013, 10:09:07 PM
I just want to know if DDW helps against the UV factor lol. Ill use everything I can within my power to take the advantage, I thought that's what us humans do.Yes it does have uv protection. :tup:
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 10:11:09 PM
Awesome, Good enough for me then. thanks Mudman.I just want to know if DDW helps against the UV factor lol. Ill use everything I can within my power to take the advantage, I thought that's what us humans do.Yes it does have uv protection. :tup:
Post by: LowRange on March 01, 2013, 05:50:06 AM
Anyways isnt all this just a tad on the radical side?
So tell me this,youre at camp, up and out in the morning,maybe come back for lunch,done for the day,,etc.
Youre at camp for any of these reasons and some ahoe decides to make breakfast,gets that dang smokey fire going,some other dude lights up a cigar around the the evening fire to rehash the day,maybe spits some chew on the ground,yup there are men that actually do that i hear?
Anyways now all the hide the scent stinkum stuff is exposed to this foul human sign,its on the ground,in the air,on the tent fabric,etc. So do you just relax and enjoy the being around youre hunting buddys,and gals by the way, or do you obsess about the human scent wafting around every nook and cranny at camp?
Just enjoy being there and the memories that will last through the years,do youre best as always while you are on youre hunt,just remember that the old guy that stays in at camp now days will most likely have that dang fire going when you get back waiting to hear how it went.
So you are going to stop and strip down before you get into camp so you can preserve youre stealth,2 ,3 times per day?
Sorry but it sounds pretty up tight to me,would be fun to observe though. I much prefer to just relax and enjoy.
Dont mean to step on any toes what so ever,but gee whiz.
:hello:
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 01, 2013, 08:19:24 AM
Ok guys,didnt intend to raise such a stink about things,pun intended of course.I dont know how your hunts go, but when I leave camp in the morning I don't come back 2-3 times. I stay out hunting and dont come back till its dark. :twocents:
Anyways isnt all this just a tad on the radical side?
So tell me this,youre at camp, up and out in the morning,maybe come back for lunch,done for the day,,etc.
Youre at camp for any of these reasons and some ahoe decides to make breakfast,gets that dang smokey fire going,some other dude lights up a cigar around the the evening fire to rehash the day,maybe spits some chew on the ground,yup there are men that actually do that i hear?
Anyways now all the hide the scent stinkum stuff is exposed to this foul human sign,its on the ground,in the air,on the tent fabric,etc. So do you just relax and enjoy the being around youre hunting buddys,and gals by the way, or do you obsess about the human scent wafting around every nook and cranny at camp?
Just enjoy being there and the memories that will last through the years,do youre best as always while you are on youre hunt,just remember that the old guy that stays in at camp now days will most likely have that dang fire going when you get back waiting to hear how it went.
So you are going to stop and strip down before you get into camp so you can preserve youre stealth,2 ,3 times per day?
Sorry but it sounds pretty up tight to me,would be fun to observe though. I much prefer to just relax and enjoy.
Dont mean to step on any toes what so ever,but gee whiz.
:hello:
Post by: buckfvr on March 01, 2013, 08:30:19 AM
Post by: PolarBear on March 01, 2013, 08:35:37 AM
Post by: LowRange on March 01, 2013, 10:25:30 AM
Maybe you should make up youre own brew and bottle it soon ,dont forget the orderly to the letter directions and protocol. Just to funny to me. :tinfoil: :yike:
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 01, 2013, 10:35:50 AM
OK then, I still think this should become part of the Bigfoot thread perhaps,Have fun out there boys.You really enjoy :stirthepot: dont you. Sure hope you never need help cause your certainly not making a good impression for being new here. I would like to know where you hunt so I can make sure to stay away from the roads you and your bacon smelling, chain smoking buddies are driving on while hunting so I can go elsewhere.
Maybe you should make up youre own brew and bottle it soon ,dont forget the orderly to the letter directions and protocol. Just to funny to me. :tinfoil: :yike:
Post by: Pappy on March 01, 2013, 11:02:15 AM
Ok guys,didnt intend to raise such a stink about things,pun intended of course.
Anyways isnt all this just a tad on the radical side?
So tell me this,youre at camp, up and out in the morning,maybe come back for lunch,done for the day,,etc.
Youre at camp for any of these reasons and some ahoe decides to make breakfast,gets that dang smokey fire going,some other dude lights up a cigar around the the evening fire to rehash the day,maybe spits some chew on the ground,yup there are men that actually do that i hear?
Anyways now all the hide the scent stinkum stuff is exposed to this foul human sign,its on the ground,in the air,on the tent fabric,etc. So do you just relax and enjoy the being around youre hunting buddys,and gals by the way, or do you obsess about the human scent wafting around every nook and cranny at camp?
Just enjoy being there and the memories that will last through the years,do youre best as always while you are on youre hunt,just remember that the old guy that stays in at camp now days will most likely have that dang fire going when you get back waiting to hear how it went.
So you are going to stop and strip down before you get into camp so you can preserve youre stealth,2 ,3 times per day?
Sorry but it sounds pretty up tight to me,would be fun to observe though. I much prefer to just relax and enjoy.
Dont mean to step on any toes what so ever,but gee whiz.
:hello:
I guess it's all perception - I don't think of it as too big a deal ditch the hunting duds while in camp. Really wouldn't be that time consuming to hang them upwind.
Post by: PolarBear on March 01, 2013, 12:29:04 PM
OK then, I still think this should become part of the Bigfoot thread perhaps,Have fun out there boys.Some of us actually take our hunting very seriously. You may find these extreme measures silly but my results don't lie. I would be willing to bet that my success rate at killing quality animals with a bow at close range is much higher than you stinky camp dwellers. :twocents:
Maybe you should make up youre own brew and bottle it soon ,dont forget the orderly to the letter directions and protocol. Just to funny to me. :tinfoil: :yike:
Post by: Mudman on March 01, 2013, 02:06:46 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on March 02, 2013, 07:39:22 AM
I stopped buying the crap years ago and I have been close enough to animals to slap them on the back, And thats without any of the scent eliminators.
Now I am sure if you sit in a stand and never break a sweat it might help, but if you cover ground like I do those prays are a waste of money. Also maybe because I am getting older but the slower you move the more game you see.. :twocents:
Post by: slayerofthesea on March 02, 2013, 06:03:56 PM
If it worked as advertised, it'd be illegal in this state........nuff said ???????
That being said, I am also anal about scent control......everything gets washed and sprayed and stored in tubs....I dont wear hunting clothes for anything but hunting. Even boots get sprayed and stored and sprayed again each use......every article of clothing......
SPRAY DOWN OR STAY HOME.........
And on the personal level, all scent free soaps and deodorants DAILY......even tooth paste....
thats a waiste of time. i wash them once regualar then i wash them with no soap gets the sent out and i killed a buck right after school with a work pants and a sweatshirt smoke a camel and shot the deer at 45 yards.
Post by: Cascade_fisher on March 02, 2013, 09:11:13 PM
Post by: PolarBear on March 02, 2013, 09:14:05 PM
Post by: slayerofthesea on March 02, 2013, 09:18:34 PM
Post by: PolarBear on March 02, 2013, 09:22:59 PM
Post by: slayerofthesea on March 02, 2013, 09:29:10 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on March 02, 2013, 09:31:56 PM
Post by: PolarBear on March 02, 2013, 11:36:03 PM
the longest shot i have made was 129yards. lol we dont have to shoot 300 yards lol well at last thats how it is were i huntOnce again, you rifle hunters don't have to worry as much about scent. 129 yards? I haven't made a shot with my bow over 30 yards (most well under 20 yards) in over 25 years. That is what I am talking about scent control being critical especially on pressured, mature bucks at real close range, you know, close enough to where it can see you blink.
Post by: BowForElk on March 15, 2013, 12:33:22 AM
Post by: PolarBear on March 15, 2013, 12:37:33 AM