Post by: iRem on March 01, 2013, 11:26:09 AM
I would like to get some opinions on what to purchase and what you carry while archery hunting?
The main reason is that I have come across more bear and cougar the last couple of years at close range and I go out alone most times and would like to be able to have some advantage if something would occur while alone.
Post by: 724wd on March 01, 2013, 04:02:44 PM
i carry my .357 or .45 1911 usually, but will rotate in my airweight S&W .38 if weight's an issue.
personally i'd forget trying to shoot grouse with the 410. you pop one of those off, the animals you're bowhunting will know you're in the area, the accuracy isn't great from them, and the likelihood of you downing a flying grouse with a pistol is about nil. pick a pistol you like in a caliber you like and pack it! :tup:
Post by: elkslayer99 on March 02, 2013, 05:32:34 AM
Post by: washelkhunter on March 02, 2013, 05:53:50 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 02, 2013, 05:57:36 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 02, 2013, 07:18:51 AM
Post by: buckfvr on March 02, 2013, 07:32:29 AM
Post by: iRem on March 02, 2013, 07:48:06 AM
Post by: Mudman on March 02, 2013, 07:59:06 AM
Post by: buckfvr on March 02, 2013, 08:00:11 AM
Post by: Axle on March 02, 2013, 08:10:39 AM
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"It is unlawful for any person to carry or have in his possession any firearm while in the field archery hunting, during an archery season specified for that area, except for modern handguns carried for personal protection."
I know this was reversed in Oregon due to the vast number of archers getting attacked by cats, but didn't this get rejected in this state too?
Or was it just rumor? :dunno:
Post by: ghosthunter on March 02, 2013, 08:16:18 AM
But I carry a Judge. I like the choices it gives me. And I have killed grouse out to 40 ft with it. But I am not a bow hunter. When you cannot find ammo in some little remote town, someone always has .410 rounds. :twocents:
Post by: coachcw on March 02, 2013, 08:18:36 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 02, 2013, 08:20:53 AM
That is a current Washington WAC. It provides protection from cats etc. It does not allow for anything else like grouse hunting.Quote"It is unlawful for any person to carry or have in his possession any firearm while in the field archery hunting, during an archery season specified for that area, except for modern handguns carried for personal protection."
I know this was reversed in Oregon due to the vast number of archers getting attacked by cats, but didn't this get rejected in this state too?
Or was it just rumor? :dunno:
Post by: fly-by on March 02, 2013, 08:49:13 AM
Sent it off to Ahlman's in MN for a choke installation. A little better but still not great. Sold it and got a scoped Ruger Mk I for grouse and a .45 for a general purpose sidearm.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 02, 2013, 09:05:53 AM
Either the redhawk or blackhawk might be a good choice to look at in 4".
Post by: hillbilli on March 02, 2013, 10:18:28 AM
Post by: iRem on March 02, 2013, 10:41:44 AM
Post by: mountainman on March 02, 2013, 01:33:29 PM
Post by: Jason on March 02, 2013, 02:03:52 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 02, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on March 02, 2013, 08:00:43 PM
"It is unlawful for any person to carry or have in his possession any firearm while in the field archery hunting, during an archery season specified for that area, except for modern handguns carried for personal protection."
The rest of that paragraph is: Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during an archery big game hunting season.
I'm guessing it's worded that way to allow for the shooting small game.
Post by: splitshot on March 02, 2013, 08:10:53 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on March 02, 2013, 08:15:37 PM
Btw it is legal to carry a side arm while archery hunting for protection purposes only.
Post by: sakoshooter on March 02, 2013, 08:40:03 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 03, 2013, 06:55:09 PM
It's not going to "gunk up" or have issues in the brush if properly holstered. It'll gunk up less than a revolver with less open areas for gunk to work its way in.
You got a lot more rounds than a revolver and your faster on target and faster between shots with an auto vs revolver.
You will need to modify the Glock some to gain the most from it with heavy hard cast full power ammunition, but it's very easy to do.
As a side benefit you can also modify it to shoot different calibur ammunition just as easy.
Post by: KFhunter on March 03, 2013, 06:58:50 PM
Since you can legally hunt cougar and bear with a handgun, I'd say it'd be legal to shoot one while bowhunting deer/elk with your legal handgun. If questioned: You could just say you were hunting bear with your handgun but were carrying your bow for backup.whaaaaat?
no
You cannot use your hand gun on big game where you have an archery only tag.
Deer, Elk.
Bear you could dispatch with a handgun (and cougar) as you do not need to specify what weapon you are using.
98% sure I got that right :chuckle:
Post by: splitshot on March 03, 2013, 07:31:54 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on March 03, 2013, 07:53:06 PM
Since you can legally hunt cougar and bear with a handgun, I'd say it'd be legal to shoot one while bowhunting deer/elk with your legal handgun. If questioned: You could just say you were hunting bear with your handgun but were carrying your bow for backup.whaaaaat?
no
You cannot use your hand gun on big game where you have an archery only tag.
Deer, Elk.
Bear you could dispatch with a handgun (and cougar) as you do not need to specify what weapon you are using.
98% sure I got that right :chuckle:
No one said anysthing about an 'archery only' tag.
I was refuting the post that said you coudn't shoot anything unless it was for self defense.
You can shoot small game, bear or cougar with a legal handgun carried during bow season for protection in areas open to bear and cougar hunting while your'e deer or elk hunting.
Post by: sled on March 03, 2013, 07:55:46 PM
Glock 20 10mm. More power then a .45 and less weight then a .44.:yeah:
Btw it is legal to carry a side arm while archery hunting for protection purposes only.
Post by: sled on March 03, 2013, 07:56:24 PM
Glock 20:yeah:
It's not going to "gunk up" or have issues in the brush if properly holstered. It'll gunk up less than a revolver with less open areas for gunk to work its way in.
You got a lot more rounds than a revolver and your faster on target and faster between shots with an auto vs revolver.
You will need to modify the Glock some to gain the most from it with heavy hard cast full power ammunition, but it's very easy to do.
As a side benefit you can also modify it to shoot different calibur ammunition just as easy.
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2013, 08:01:05 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 03, 2013, 08:13:43 PM
Since you can legally hunt cougar and bear with a handgun, I'd say it'd be legal to shoot one while bowhunting deer/elk with your legal handgun. If questioned: You could just say you were hunting bear with your handgun but were carrying your bow for backup.whaaaaat?
no
You cannot use your hand gun on big game where you have an archery only tag.
Deer, Elk.
Bear you could dispatch with a handgun (and cougar) as you do not need to specify what weapon you are using.
98% sure I got that right :chuckle:
No one said anysthing about an 'archery only' tag.
I was refuting the post that said you coudn't shoot anything unless it was for self defense.
You can shoot small game, bear or cougar with a legal handgun carried during bow season for protection in areas open to bear and cougar hunting while your'e deer or elk hunting.
"Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during an archery, big game hunting season."
Bear and cougar are big game.
Post by: sirmissalot on March 03, 2013, 08:31:26 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2013, 08:33:19 PM
I pack a S&W 329pd Alaska Backpacker. Light, compact and powerful. Handles hot 300 grain solids surprisingly well.If I had one if those, that's what I'd be packing as well. Nice rig.
Post by: demontang on March 03, 2013, 08:45:21 PM
Post by: StuckoYota99 on March 03, 2013, 09:01:57 PM
Post by: demontang on March 03, 2013, 09:05:48 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 03, 2013, 09:26:03 PM
Since you can legally hunt cougar and bear with a handgun, I'd say it'd be legal to shoot one while bowhunting deer/elk with your legal handgun. If questioned: You could just say you were hunting bear with your handgun but were carrying your bow for backup.whaaaaat?
no
You cannot use your hand gun on big game where you have an archery only tag.
Deer, Elk.
Bear you could dispatch with a handgun (and cougar) as you do not need to specify what weapon you are using.
98% sure I got that right :chuckle:
No one said anysthing about an 'archery only' tag.
I was refuting the post that said you coudn't shoot anything unless it was for self defense.
You can shoot small game, bear or cougar with a legal handgun carried during bow season for protection in areas open to bear and cougar hunting while your'e deer or elk hunting.
"Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during an archery, big game hunting season."
Bear and cougar are big game.
yes - but the tags don't specify what type of weapon for bear/cougar. So you could dispatch a bear with a legal sidearm after having been shot with archery at any time of the year other than deer/elk archery only season. At least that's my take
goofy laws seesh
Post by: JLS on March 03, 2013, 09:28:54 PM
Since you can legally hunt cougar and bear with a handgun, I'd say it'd be legal to shoot one while bowhunting deer/elk with your legal handgun. If questioned: You could just say you were hunting bear with your handgun but were carrying your bow for backup.whaaaaat?
no
You cannot use your hand gun on big game where you have an archery only tag.
Deer, Elk.
Bear you could dispatch with a handgun (and cougar) as you do not need to specify what weapon you are using.
98% sure I got that right :chuckle:
No one said anysthing about an 'archery only' tag.
I was refuting the post that said you coudn't shoot anything unless it was for self defense.
You can shoot small game, bear or cougar with a legal handgun carried during bow season for protection in areas open to bear and cougar hunting while your'e deer or elk hunting.
"Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during an archery, big game hunting season."
Bear and cougar are big game.
yes - but the tags don't specify what type of weapon for bear/cougar. So you could dispatch a bear with a legal sidearm after having been shot with archery at any time of the year other than deer/elk archery only season. At least that's my take
goofy laws seesh
You are correct. As long as it is an any weapon season for bear/cougar you could legally use the handgun.
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2013, 09:40:55 PM
Is there a reason the .44 Is favored over other cartridges like the .357? I'm in the same boat looking for a revolver.
Because bigger is better.
At least I suspect that's most of the reason.
Post by: sakoshooter on March 04, 2013, 10:56:13 AM
Since you can legally hunt cougar and bear with a handgun, I'd say it'd be legal to shoot one while bowhunting deer/elk with your legal handgun. If questioned: You could just say you were hunting bear with your handgun but were carrying your bow for backup.whaaaaat?
no
You cannot use your hand gun on big game where you have an archery only tag.
Deer, Elk.
Bear you could dispatch with a handgun (and cougar) as you do not need to specify what weapon you are using.
98% sure I got that right :chuckle:
No one said anysthing about an 'archery only' tag.
I was refuting the post that said you coudn't shoot anything unless it was for self defense.
You can shoot small game, bear or cougar with a legal handgun carried during bow season for protection in areas open to bear and cougar hunting while your'e deer or elk hunting.
"Modern handguns cannot be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during an archery, big game hunting season."
Bear and cougar are big game.
yes - but the tags don't specify what type of weapon for bear/cougar. So you could dispatch a bear with a legal sidearm after having been shot with archery at any time of the year other than deer/elk archery only season. At least that's my take
goofy laws seesh
You are correct. As long as it is an any weapon season for bear/cougar you could legally use the handgun.
Glad youi guys got it. That's all I was trying to say.
Post by: 33 Winchester on March 04, 2013, 11:46:44 AM
However, I often use a K-22 in a shoulder holster when scouting in the fall and it is hare or grouse season and I sometimes carry a J frame 22 kit gun on my belt in the fall, though I can't shoot the thing worth beans and small game usually make their escape.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 04, 2013, 11:57:45 AM
IMO the magnums are what is needed for BC carry. 38s dont have enough density or oomph for bears, same with 45acp. Run with 357 mag on up. Trying to find a rev with an acceptable wt to pain to pack ratio is the problem. I settled on a 41. 28oz empty. Its ok. The lcr in 357 is 17oz i believe. That s&w 329 pd is real nice, spendy, but nice.
Washelk is a bit of a puss, so he carries the smaller guns! :chuckle: :chuckle: I know, I've seen his pistol. :yike: :yike: I carry a .45 because I'm more manly.
Post by: whitey on March 04, 2013, 12:01:15 PM
IMO the magnums are what is needed for BC carry. 38s dont have enough density or oomph for bears, same with 45acp. Run with 357 mag on up. Trying to find a rev with an acceptable wt to pain to pack ratio is the problem. I settled on a 41. 28oz empty. Its ok. The lcr in 357 is 17oz i believe. That s&w 329 pd is real nice, spendy, but nice.
Washelk is a bit of a puss, so he carries the smaller guns! :chuckle: :chuckle: I know, I've seen his pistol. :yike: :yike: I carry a .45 because I'm more manly.
And I carry a S&W 500 mag. :dunno: Because I can.. :rolleyes:
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Post by: pianoman9701 on March 04, 2013, 12:02:17 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 04, 2013, 12:35:36 PM
Post by: iRem on March 04, 2013, 02:01:18 PM
Post by: Axle on March 04, 2013, 08:33:13 PM
There - I said it. Somebody needed to say it. Try buying one now-a-days though. Oh ya - you can't get one at your local dealer, but they can be had for the price of your right arm and left testicle if you go to an auction site.
And please - no applause!
Post by: Wilderness Addict on March 04, 2013, 09:12:16 PM
Post by: Simcoe hunter on March 04, 2013, 09:22:27 PM
guy in favor of the revolver made the point that if you were about to be, or were being mauled and were able to get your pistol out that you might be firing with the muzzle right against the varmints fur/hide. This could lead to a jam if the slide were to get hair or hide between it and the frame. That would be the biggest reason not to carry an autoloader. With a revolver you can pretty much be sure that pulling the trigger will result in firing a round.
But having served Uncle Sam I find it hard to think that with all the abuse a semi auto takes in combat, and still works, that they wouldn't function. The 1911 is truly hard to beat. But I think a Glock in 10 mm would be a great defense tool.
But here is the sad reality of the situation. You should carry whatever makes you feel good, whether it be revolver, semi auto or bear spray. And here is why I say this. One of our linemen came from a utility in Alaska. They had to go through bear training. Basically they had to get X amount of lead into a moving, charging target in X amount of time. He said something like 3/4 of the guys would have been at least mauled. And these were guys who grew up there and we're used to being prepared for bears.
I'd carry a pistol if I had one. But am thinking more and more about bear spray after the hunting accident in Montana, near the Idaho border. The one where the guy accidentally shot a griz instead of a blackie. The griz ended up killing the partner who yelled at the bear to save the shooter. I read in one of the outdoor mags that the autopsy showed the cause of death as a gunshot wound to the chest. So the moral is that if i'm hunting with you and you are attacked by a bear maybe I should spray it rather than risk hitting you with an errant round.
But I'm still looking for the right handgun :tup:
Post by: NW-GSP on March 04, 2013, 09:36:41 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on March 05, 2013, 07:56:19 AM
I carry this Ruger Super Alaskan cause Im big enough to pack it around and those lightweight 44's cant handle the +P+ loads I like to run.
The guns or the guys shooting them can't handle it? Because I load mine as hot as the primers can handle, which is pretty dang hot...
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 05, 2013, 08:02:18 AM
I carry this Ruger Super Alaskan cause Im big enough to pack it around and those lightweight 44's cant handle the +P+ loads I like to run.
The guns or the guys shooting them can't handle it? Because I load mine as hot as the primers can handle, which is pretty dang hot...
Im just going off Buffalo Bores warning right on there ammo!
.44 Mag.: Use only in Ruger Redhawk/Blackhawk, Colt Anaconda, Freedom Arms and Dan Wesson Revolvers. Use in all S&W revolvers made since 1989. Use in T/C, Winchester 1894 and Marlin 1894.
.44 Remington Magnum +P+: Use only in Ruger Super Blackhawk, Vaquero, Redhawk, or Super Redhawk models, Freedom Arms model 83, Taurus Raging Bull & Dan Wesson revolvers, Thompson/Center Encore, Winchester 1894 and Marlin 1894 rifles, the H&R Handirifle and any rifle with a falling block action.
Post by: MADMAX on March 05, 2013, 08:20:10 AM
Nice no frills carry gun for hunting, accurate and plenty of stopping power, hardly know your carrying it.
Throw on a Hogue grip and your golden.
Post by: sakoshooter on March 05, 2013, 12:41:54 PM
4" barrel Ruger Blackhawk in .41 mag
Nice no frills carry gun for hunting, accurate and plenty of stopping power, hardly know your carrying it.
Throw on a Hogue grip and your golden.
4 5/8"
Sorry. Had to. Carry one myself in .357.