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Community => Advocacy, Agencies, Access => Topic started by: huntrights on March 08, 2013, 02:22:47 PM

Title: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: huntrights on March 08, 2013, 02:22:47 PM: These anti-gun attacks on our children need to stop. We read these stories continuously. I would suggest leaving your own comments on the Tri-City-Herald website in response to the suspension of this unfortunate child. People in that community and our own need understand how ludicrous these types of actions are. The school backed off, but it never should have happened in the first place. Here is the latest example:

Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2013/03/07/2302598/pasco-first-grader-suspended-for.html

Pasco SD Repeals First Grader's Suspension for Talking About a Toy Gun

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/03/08/pasco-sd-repeals-first-graders-suspension-for-talking-about-a-toy-gun/
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: csaaphill on March 08, 2013, 03:01:45 PM: wierd nothing like hitting close to home though.
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on March 08, 2013, 07:57:43 PM: What a joke!!! Poor Kid
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: csaaphill on March 08, 2013, 11:18:35 PM: seen a satire story about these kinds of things on info wars. lol talked about how a kid was talked by swat for just thinking of a gun was totally not true but still showed tons of links related to the real cases on this.
America has gone mad, and no stipping it.
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: csaaphill on March 08, 2013, 11:22:53 PM: obviously that girls parents shelter her why else would woudl she feel threatened by a nerf?
Yep America gone wild er mad?
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: sirfunkeybut on March 08, 2013, 11:38:26 PM: I can honestly understand where the girl can report what she had heard, there was just an incident that happened a while ago where a kid brought a weapon to Schiller that discharged in his backpack. Times are changing and aren't going to revert. My cousin took a 2" key chain gun to school when we in 3rd grade and got nothing but a " we will call your parents to pick it up" speech. I could only imagine if that happened it today's world. I have nothing but respect for being safe, though in a strangers eyes might be ludacris, safty is just that, being safe and taking actions to remain safe.
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 09, 2013, 12:25:13 AM: This crap of holding little kids to a higher standard than any adult could ever be held to has to stop. If they ever tried enforcing any of this nonsense against an adult, they'd be laughed out of court. So why let them terrorize a kid for chewing a piece of toast into the "shape" of a gun or cutting a corner off a piece of paper so it's "shaped" like a gun. These things look nothing like a gun. Imagine a guy getting arrested in a bank for having a "gun shaped" piece of toast. You think that would hold up? Or pointing their finger at someone in the shape of a gun? It's beyond pathetic that school are persecuting little kids for these things when their brains aren't developed enough to even realize someone might take what they are doing in play as serious.

Should parents start suing school for teaching the history of the War of Independence, the Civil War, or WWII complete with pictures of soldiers with guns? You can't read a history book about this country without reading about guns and bombs and people getting killed. Remember the Alamo? Well if you talk about it, you'll be suspended from school. Schools can teach about wars and violence but if a kid plays pretend about what he learned, he's considered warped and dangerous?

What a crock.
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 09, 2013, 01:24:07 AM: Just found this new story that makes my point.

http://news.yahoo.com/school-confiscates-third-grader-cupcakes-topped-toy-soldiers-215018982.html (http://news.yahoo.com/school-confiscates-third-grader-cupcakes-topped-toy-soldiers-215018982.html)
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: ICEMAN on March 09, 2013, 07:07:02 AM: Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on March 09, 2013, 12:25:13 AM
This crap of holding little kids to a higher standard than any adult could ever be held to has to stop. If they ever tried enforcing any of this nonsense against an adult, they'd be laughed out of court. So why let them terrorize a kid for chewing a piece of toast into the "shape" of a gun or cutting a corner off a piece of paper so it's "shaped" like a gun. These things look nothing like a gun. Imagine a guy getting arrested in a bank for having a "gun shaped" piece of toast. You think that would hold up? Or pointing their finger at someone in the shape of a gun? It's beyond pathetic that school are persecuting little kids for these things when their brains aren't developed enough to even realize someone might take what they are doing in play as serious.

Should parents start suing school for teaching the history of the War of Independence, the Civil War, or WWII complete with pictures of soldiers with guns? You can't read a history book about this country without reading about guns and bombs and people getting killed. Remember the Alamo? Well if you talk about it, you'll be suspended from school. Schools can teach about wars and violence but if a kid plays pretend about what he learned, he's considered warped and dangerous?

What a crock.

Totally agree. Excellent post.
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: arees on March 09, 2013, 07:59:15 AM: I read the article linked in the OP and disagree with the thought that no discipline was warranted.

The school official who imposed the suspension in the first place should have been disciplined. Banning students from bringing real guns to school is a reasonable idea. Banning them from bringing realistic toy guns is not too far out of line because you can't expect school officials to be smart enough to tell the difference. Banning miniature replica to guns drifting into la la land. The recent suspension of a student for nibbling a pastry into the shape of a gun speaks much more about the teachers than the student. When a Nebraska school district told a deaf 3 year old named Hunter that they would need a new name because Hunter uses a hand sign that looks like a gun you can tell that things a getting stupid. The kid who was suspended for throwing pretend hand grenades into pretend fox holes filled with pretend enemies was also stupid, but at least he was pretending to really hurt some one.

Now we have the school district banning speech about toy guns that were not even near the school. Apparently no threats were made by the student. It is hard to conceive of a threat involving a Nerf gun because the liability lawyers have made sure they are safe. I would ask "what was the school official thinking," but clearly this was not a case involving thinking.

As for that little girl's parents, there is a case for child protective services to rescue her from over protective parents. [I'm not sure what to call it and child endangering services is not the right answer, but we need someone that takes these over protected children away from these molly coddling parents and introduces them to a little reality.]

I look forward to reading about a student being suspended because the teacher believed that they were thinking about a toy gun that they hoped that Santa would bring them for Christmas.

Please, find these teachers and fire them.
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: Hermannr on March 09, 2013, 09:14:55 PM: You do realize the schools teach nothing about the Bill of Rights except when authority doesn't like it, it the BOR does not count for anything.

This if the 1st being trampled on as well as the 2ed and the 4th..and the kids learn that the authorities can do what they want.

To the "reasonable" types...there is no "reasonable". As Ben Franklin said..."those that would give up freedom for a little security deserve and will have neither."

I don't remember a preamble to the BOR or the constitution that states..."These Rights only apply to those of legal age>>"

When I was in school you could take your .22 to school for show and tell..no body cared, and no body got hurt.
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: csaaphill on March 10, 2013, 01:40:37 AM: Quote from: Hermannr on March 09, 2013, 09:14:55 PM
You do realize the schools teach nothing about the Bill of Rights except when authority doesn't like it, it the BOR does not count for anything.

This if the 1st being trampled on as well as the 2ed and the 4th..and the kids learn that the authorities can do what they want.

To the "reasonable" types...there is no "reasonable". As Ben Franklin said..."those that would give up freedom for a little security deserve and will have neither."

I don't remember a preamble to the BOR or the constitution that states..."These Rights only apply to those of legal age>>"

When I was in school you could take your .22 to school for show and tell..no body cared, and no body got hurt.
:yeah:
Although I never did that, but ya we can and will rebound this if we give some effert.
Glad you said it or I would have for sure.
Don't know but I knew the difference between a nerf and something real at a young age. People now days are so sheepled they just don't have or teach anything worth a crap. Phonix are just not taught any more. I hated it but I can see where it's needed again.
I'ts no wonder how were getting like this though. Were so dumbed down it's scary.
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: JJD on March 10, 2013, 08:36:58 AM: What happened to common sense? It's totally out the window.
Think I'll have my granddaughter claim she is intimiadated and in danger, next time she see's someone with a big bottle of soda. Some clowns want to regulate the size of soda you can buy too.
We are sliding down a very slippery slope here.
If we don't take it back soon, we are doomed.
Where are we headed, watch the old movie "Idiocracy".
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: huntrights on March 10, 2013, 09:50:50 PM: Idiocracy:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
Title: Re: Pasco first-grader suspended for toy gun talk
Post by: csaaphill on March 10, 2013, 10:29:29 PM: lol ya