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Post by: ellensburgpo on March 09, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
$40K Is it really worth it? I dont think so! IMO
It is because that's what it went for. :chuckle:
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Post by: pendoreilleadventures on March 09, 2013, 09:41:50 PM
Chukotka Moose hunting in Kamchatka (Russia)
http://www.profihunt.com/en/pr_moose_chuk.html (http://www.profihunt.com/en/pr_moose_chuk.html)
Post by: jackelope on March 09, 2013, 09:45:15 PM
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Outstanding :tup: I bet someone has info on a toad.:yeah: they do!
Post by: muzbuster on March 10, 2013, 08:03:40 AM
$40K Is it really worth it? I dont think so! IMO:dunno: Would rather spend 20k & go with Shockey on his Yukon hunt.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 10, 2013, 08:53:09 AM
Post by: scree on March 10, 2013, 10:00:05 AM
It was great to see the guys bid so much for the tag and raise some money.I agree Carpsniper too many people loose sight that this money goes back into conservation that benefits all of us.
Post by: WonkyWapiti on March 10, 2013, 10:41:19 AM
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Post by: JLS on March 10, 2013, 11:59:15 AM
$40K Is it really worth it? I dont think so! IMO:dunno: Would rather spend 20k & go with Shockey on his Yukon hunt.
Good for you. Obviously the purchaser his different ideas.
Post by: Craig on March 10, 2013, 12:12:20 PM
Someone is going to have a fun moose hunt. How much did it go for last year?
Post by: scree on March 10, 2013, 12:16:54 PM
Were any of you at the banquet??
Yes I was there and there was a pretty good contingent of Hunt-Wa guys there. Had a great time and raised a lot of $ for Washington Wild Sheep.
Post by: cem3434 on March 10, 2013, 01:22:20 PM
Well I guess my $1000 I had saved would not have helped me much at the auction. Guess I will just buy MT tags.
Someone is going to have a fun moose hunt. How much did it go for last year?
I think it went for $19.5k last year.
Post by: Craig on March 10, 2013, 01:39:12 PM
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Post by: cem3434 on March 10, 2013, 09:01:31 PM
WOW. Big jump in price. Bidding war or someone has the scoop on a bruiser bull.
Both, Dj was bidding on behalf of a guy he has moose hunted with before. Dj has pictures of a bruiser that they have been watching for the last two seasons. When Dj's phone bidder bowed out, Jerry came over and booked a hunt with him. It was great to see so much money raised for conservation last night!
Post by: GoPlayOutside on March 10, 2013, 09:12:08 PM
Since this is the Governors Tag, does all the money go to the Wild Sheep Foundation or WDFW?
Post by: cem3434 on March 10, 2013, 10:47:14 PM
Post by: huntnnw on March 11, 2013, 01:02:08 AM
Post by: muzbuster on March 11, 2013, 07:01:32 AM
Was not saying he is wrong for paying that much for the tag, just saying what I would have done with that $ if I had that much to drop on a moose tag. Obviously he felt that is what he wanted to do with his money and that's great for him, after all it is his money. Congrats to him, I truly hope he gets a state record or even a world record, that would be awesome to see.$40K Is it really worth it? I don't think so! IMO:dunno: Would rather spend 20k & go with Shockey on his Yukon hunt.
Good for you. Obviously the purchaser his different ideas.
Post by: jackelope on March 11, 2013, 03:44:19 PM
Silly people think the money goes to a good cause if it goes to the state..right...the only good I see is 10% that went to the chapters
Other silly people don't know what gets done with the money and just assume they think they know.
Post by: throttlejocky20 on March 11, 2013, 04:01:21 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 12, 2013, 07:57:04 AM
Hunters with unlimited funds can hunt anywhere. There's no reason this guy couldn't book an AK hunt and kill an even bigger moose up there for less money. Regular guys like me who will probably never get a chance at a hunt like that DO have a chance with a lottery ticket. Just my :twocents:.
Congratulations to the high bidder, though. :tup:
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Post by: pianoman9701 on March 12, 2013, 08:31:16 AM
The state does have a moose raffle. Tickets are about $11 each or so. In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?
So why not raffle all three of the moose tags instead of saving one for the rich? Do we not have enough people buying raffle tags to generate this kind of money?
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against rich people. I'd like to be able to count myself among them one day. However, the North American Conservation Model provides that wild game belongs to all off us, not just the rich, as it is in most of Europe. It'd be one thing if not enough people were interested. But, I think they are and would buy the tickets.
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 12, 2013, 08:41:12 AM
Do you know who won it?40k is not winning it!
Post by: jackelope on March 12, 2013, 08:42:58 AM
The state does have a moose raffle. Tickets are about $11 each or so. In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?
The new thing is to spend $30k on raffle tickets though. How does that make things even close to fair for me. At least 2 raffles that I know of last fall were won by guys spending many thousands of dollars. Heck 1 guy bought a tag at auction then won the raffle tag too.
what pianoman is saying....each person buys 1 ticket at $20 each. Then everyone has a fair shake.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 12, 2013, 08:47:55 AM
The state does have a moose raffle. Tickets are about $11 each or so. In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?
The new thing is to spend $30k on raffle tickets though. How does that make things even close to fair for me. At least 2 raffles that I know of last fall were won by guys spending many thousands of dollars. Heck 1 guy bought a tag at auction then won the raffle tag too.
what pianoman is saying....each person buys 1 ticket at $20 each. Then everyone has a fair shake.
Was that you that made me see the light on this, Jackelope?
Post by: elkoholic1 on March 12, 2013, 08:53:13 AM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on March 12, 2013, 09:01:48 AM
The state does have a moose raffle. Tickets are about $11 each or so. In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?
So why not raffle all three of the moose tags instead of saving one for the rich? Do we not have enough people buying raffle tags to generate this kind of money?
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against rich people. I'd like to be able to count myself among them one day. However, the North American Conservation Model provides that wild game belongs to all off us, not just the rich, as it is in most of Europe. It'd be one thing if not enough people were interested. But, I think they are and would buy the tickets.
I'm all for giving everyone a shot - heck, I participate in the raffles but don't see myself buying auction tags anytime soon. But unfortunately I think the raffle route would have raised a lot less $$, particularly in this case. With each extra tag you raffle, the incremental proceeds will be less and less because you've already soaked up a significant amount of your demand for moose raffle tickets. I'm guessing adding an extra moose tag might get an extra $10K in incremental raffle ticket sales, if that. In this case, we would have lost out on $30K for wildlife by selling that tag through the raffle. Similarly, for max proceeds with the same number of tags, I don't think you want to just auction all of them either. If the goal is to maximize proceeds, then we need to mix it up a little and sell through different channels.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 12, 2013, 09:17:28 AM
The state does have a moose raffle. Tickets are about $11 each or so. In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?
So why not raffle all three of the moose tags instead of saving one for the rich? Do we not have enough people buying raffle tags to generate this kind of money?
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against rich people. I'd like to be able to count myself among them one day. However, the North American Conservation Model provides that wild game belongs to all off us, not just the rich, as it is in most of Europe. It'd be one thing if not enough people were interested. But, I think they are and would buy the tickets.
I'm all for giving everyone a shot - heck, I participate in the raffles but don't see myself buying auction tags anytime soon. But unfortunately I think the raffle route would have raised a lot less $$, particularly in this case. With each extra tag you raffle, the incremental proceeds will be less and less because you've already soaked up a significant amount of your demand for moose raffle tickets. I'm guessing adding an extra moose tag might get an extra $10K in incremental raffle ticket sales, if that. In this case, we would have lost out on $30K for wildlife by selling that tag through the raffle. Similarly, for max proceeds with the same number of tags, I don't think you want to just auction all of them either. If the goal is to maximize proceeds, then we need to mix it up a little and sell through different channels.
All due respects WACoues, from where do you get your data? I think selling another 2000 raffle tickets to give another chance at a moose would sell out quickly. In addition, what would stop the same rich guy from buying as many raffle tickets as he wants, one at a time? Sorry, but I don't think there's any shortage of people buying raffle tickets until I see some data supporting that.
Post by: muzbuster on March 12, 2013, 09:44:30 AM
The state does have a moose raffle. Tickets are about $11 each or so. In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?
The new thing is to spend $30k on raffle tickets though. How does that make things even close to fair for me. At least 2 raffles that I know of last fall were won by guys spending many thousands of dollars. Heck 1 guy bought a tag at auction then won the raffle tag too.
what pianoman is saying....each person buys 1 ticket at $20 each. Then everyone has a fair shake.
Sounds right to me Jackelope :tup:
Post by: jackelope on March 12, 2013, 09:45:11 AM
I'm not against the auctions. I'm for them. What chaps me is when a guy buys a tag at auction. Then the raffles come out and I go spend $30 on a few chances. I like to think I at least have a chance. Literally, I know I do, but realistically I know the guy behind me is throwing down $20k on raffle tickets for 1 species. I know the elk guy last year did that and I know the 3 deer raffle winner did the same thing. I don't know the exact dollar amounts but I know they were a lot of $$ spent on raffle tickets. Fair is fair I guess, they're not braking any rules....but what little chance you and I had at winning one of them just got mostly blown out the back door by the guy behind me in line.
I won't be buying any more raffle tickets unless they change the program...I'll tell you that much for sure.
Wacoues-I see where you're coming from and you're probably right. I don't think they should replace the auctions with one of these 1 ticket raffles, but maybe they should change the raffles to 1 ticket a piece at $25 a throw or something like that.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 12, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on March 12, 2013, 10:02:22 AM
The state does have a moose raffle. Tickets are about $11 each or so. In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?
So why not raffle all three of the moose tags instead of saving one for the rich? Do we not have enough people buying raffle tags to generate this kind of money?
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against rich people. I'd like to be able to count myself among them one day. However, the North American Conservation Model provides that wild game belongs to all off us, not just the rich, as it is in most of Europe. It'd be one thing if not enough people were interested. But, I think they are and would buy the tickets.
I'm all for giving everyone a shot - heck, I participate in the raffles but don't see myself buying auction tags anytime soon. But unfortunately I think the raffle route would have raised a lot less $$, particularly in this case. With each extra tag you raffle, the incremental proceeds will be less and less because you've already soaked up a significant amount of your demand for moose raffle tickets. I'm guessing adding an extra moose tag might get an extra $10K in incremental raffle ticket sales, if that. In this case, we would have lost out on $30K for wildlife by selling that tag through the raffle. Similarly, for max proceeds with the same number of tags, I don't think you want to just auction all of them either. If the goal is to maximize proceeds, then we need to mix it up a little and sell through different channels.
All due respects WACoues, from where do you get your data? I think selling another 2000 raffle tickets to give another chance at a moose would sell out quickly. In addition, what would stop the same rich guy from buying as many raffle tickets as he wants, one at a time? Sorry, but I don't think there's any shortage of people buying raffle tickets until I see some data supporting that.
Basic economics. I might buy 5 raffle moose tickets, but adding another moose tag isn't going to get me to buy 10.
Post by: muzbuster on March 12, 2013, 10:16:09 AM
I agree with josh. I would love to see it go to 1 ticket per person per species. I will not be buying anymore unless they change as well. If guys want to spend the money and drop 20k in raffle tickets that is there right. I see those guys as the people that should be buying the auctions. Let the little guys have a shot at the raffles :chuckle:Agreed!
Post by: jackelope on March 12, 2013, 10:23:37 AM
The state does have a moose raffle. Tickets are about $11 each or so. In fact, I think there are two moose raffle tags, right?
So why not raffle all three of the moose tags instead of saving one for the rich? Do we not have enough people buying raffle tags to generate this kind of money?
Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against rich people. I'd like to be able to count myself among them one day. However, the North American Conservation Model provides that wild game belongs to all off us, not just the rich, as it is in most of Europe. It'd be one thing if not enough people were interested. But, I think they are and would buy the tickets.
I'm all for giving everyone a shot - heck, I participate in the raffles but don't see myself buying auction tags anytime soon. But unfortunately I think the raffle route would have raised a lot less $$, particularly in this case. With each extra tag you raffle, the incremental proceeds will be less and less because you've already soaked up a significant amount of your demand for moose raffle tickets. I'm guessing adding an extra moose tag might get an extra $10K in incremental raffle ticket sales, if that. In this case, we would have lost out on $30K for wildlife by selling that tag through the raffle. Similarly, for max proceeds with the same number of tags, I don't think you want to just auction all of them either. If the goal is to maximize proceeds, then we need to mix it up a little and sell through different channels.
All due respects WACoues, from where do you get your data? I think selling another 2000 raffle tickets to give another chance at a moose would sell out quickly. In addition, what would stop the same rich guy from buying as many raffle tickets as he wants, one at a time? Sorry, but I don't think there's any shortage of people buying raffle tickets until I see some data supporting that.
Basic economics. I might buy 5 raffle moose tickets, but adding another moose tag isn't going to get me to buy 10.
I don't think the right thing to do is replace the auction with another raffle...read my posts above and tell me if they make sense to you.
Post by: muzbuster on March 12, 2013, 10:40:31 AM
Post by: WAcoueshunter on March 12, 2013, 11:02:31 AM
Then Shockey gets all $20k. At least this way most of the money goes back to conservation.Silly people think the money goes to a good cause if it goes to the state..right...the only good I see is 10% that went to the chapters
Other silly people don't know what gets done with the money and just assume they think they know.
Here's where at least some of the money goes...this is the documented expenditures of the sheep money. $72K in all, much of which went to the WSU wild sheep program.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/expenditures/2009-2011/sheep_2009-2011.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/expenditures/2009-2011/sheep_2009-2011.pdf)
Post by: jackelope on March 12, 2013, 11:11:31 AM
Then Shockey gets all $20k. At least this way most of the money goes back to conservation.Silly people think the money goes to a good cause if it goes to the state..right...the only good I see is 10% that went to the chapters
Other silly people don't know what gets done with the money and just assume they think they know.
Here's where at least some of the money goes...this is the documented expenditures of the sheep money. $72K in all, much of which went to the WSU wild sheep program.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/expenditures/2009-2011/sheep_2009-2011.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/expenditures/2009-2011/sheep_2009-2011.pdf)
Good stuff.
Post by: liljozie495 on March 20, 2013, 09:27:01 PM
$40K Is it really worth it? I dont think so! IMO:dunno: Would rather spend 20k & go with Shockey on his Yukon hunt.
but that doesnt put money into our fish and wild life in washington does it? that puts money in shockeys pocket...
Congrats to the tag purchaser, hope hes a member and does a write up after the hunt ;)
Post by: huntnnw on March 21, 2013, 12:36:55 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 21, 2013, 05:57:15 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2013, 08:35:25 AM
Nope general fund. Our money is being spent in wolf recovery.
According to WDFW that money does not go to the general fund. I suppose it could all be a lie, but anyway...
Post by: elkoholic1 on March 21, 2013, 11:20:29 AM
Nope general fund. Our money is being spent in wolf recovery.
According to WDFW that money does not go to the general fund. I suppose it could all be a lie, but anyway...
what you talking about Willis!!!! absurd that the government would ever lie to the American people!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2013, 11:35:29 AM
Trust me sir. I'm with the gooberment and I'm here to help.
Post by: HoofsandWings on March 22, 2013, 04:30:07 PM
If you are a loser in a raffle, you do not get to keep the money.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on April 28, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
It was great to see the guys bid so much for the tag and raise some money.I agree Carpsniper too many people loose sight that this money goes back into conservation that benefits all of us.
Gee, maybe the state should auction off every tag it sells to get top dollar for conservation needs. Why stop at one?
And if you have enough money, you should be able to bid on as many tags as you want or your bank account can afford. If you aren't rich enough to bid on tags, you don't deserve to hunt, you slackers! Hunting opportunities should only go to those with the most money. This state is going that way anyway with all the different fees they charge.
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 28, 2013, 05:41:07 PM
Have a bad morning Sitka?It was great to see the guys bid so much for the tag and raise some money.I agree Carpsniper too many people loose sight that this money goes back into conservation that benefits all of us.
Gee, maybe the state should auction off every tag it sells to get top dollar for conservation needs. Why stop at one?
And if you have enough money, you should be able to bid on as many tags as you want or your bank account can afford. If you aren't rich enough to bid on tags, you don't deserve to hunt, you slackers! Hunting opportunities should only go to those with the most money. This state is going that way anyway with all the different fees they charge.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on May 01, 2013, 01:01:25 AM
Have a bad morning Sitka?It was great to see the guys bid so much for the tag and raise some money.I agree Carpsniper too many people loose sight that this money goes back into conservation that benefits all of us.
Gee, maybe the state should auction off every tag it sells to get top dollar for conservation needs. Why stop at one?
And if you have enough money, you should be able to bid on as many tags as you want or your bank account can afford. If you aren't rich enough to bid on tags, you don't deserve to hunt, you slackers! Hunting opportunities should only go to those with the most money. This state is going that way anyway with all the different fees they charge.
Naw, just surprised at how easily some give in to the idea that hunting should be turned into a rich man's pass time. Give an inch, soon it's a foot, and before you know it it's a mile.
Then I get this e-mail today.
Dear Permit Applicant,
Some timber companies in western Washington have recently announced plans to begin requiring permits and charging fees to hunt on private forestlands where these access restrictions were not previously in place. We are notifying you to make sure you are aware of these changes, which may be a consideration in applying for special hunting permits this year.
The five game management units currently affected by new access requirements are GMUs 501, 506, 530, 672 and 667. Your special permit application history shows that you have previously applied for a special hunting permit in one or more of these areas.
If you plan to submit hunt choices for deer or elk in any of these areas this year, we advise that you check timber company websites or hotlines for more information on the new requirements before you submit your special permit application. The deadline for submitting a special permit application this year is May 22.
In recent years, WDFW has made a concerted effort to work with private timber companies throughout the state to expand hunter access to commercial timberlands. However, while we've been successful in a number of areas, WDFW does not have the legal authority to regulate private landowners' decisions about restricting access or charging fees to hunt on their land.
Sincerely,
WDFW
Wildlife Program
Post by: winshooter88 on May 01, 2013, 03:42:45 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 01, 2013, 05:01:04 AM
Have a bad morning Sitka?It was great to see the guys bid so much for the tag and raise some money.I agree Carpsniper too many people loose sight that this money goes back into conservation that benefits all of us.
Gee, maybe the state should auction off every tag it sells to get top dollar for conservation needs. Why stop at one?
And if you have enough money, you should be able to bid on as many tags as you want or your bank account can afford. If you aren't rich enough to bid on tags, you don't deserve to hunt, you slackers! Hunting opportunities should only go to those with the most money. This state is going that way anyway with all the different fees they charge.
Naw, just surprised at how easily some give in to the idea that hunting should be turned into a rich man's pass time. Give an inch, soon it's a foot, and before you know it it's a mile.
Maybe I'm just weird, but I just don't see where all the screw the little guy things are happening. You have one tag for the rich or seriously determined, three tags for the gamblers and 82 - 150 tags for the average Joe in the general draw.
I would like to see WDFW put more wardens on the payroll. This state has been run worse in the past. I don't see a huge amount of waste other than wolf and cougar studies that seem to make no sense. But I have seen states throw hunters money away in worse ways than Washington state.