Post by: rosscrazyelk on March 20, 2013, 05:24:23 PM
Post by: C-Money on March 20, 2013, 05:28:04 PM
Post by: X-Force on March 20, 2013, 05:39:48 PM
But like Cmoney said if you dont have anchor options your out of luck.
Post by: Smossy on March 20, 2013, 05:52:09 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on March 20, 2013, 06:20:22 PM
Post by: kentrek on March 21, 2013, 10:55:02 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on March 21, 2013, 11:32:48 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2013, 03:10:16 PM
My :twocents:
Post by: BLUEBULLS on March 22, 2013, 06:44:19 AM
Post by: whacker1 on March 22, 2013, 06:50:41 AM
http://www.golite.com/Imogene-UL2-P47000.aspx (http://www.golite.com/Imogene-UL2-P47000.aspx)
at less than 3 lbs
but I got a friends and family discount for mountain hardware, so I am buying there instead
Post by: fillthefreezer on March 22, 2013, 09:33:50 AM
since youre already talking non freestanding, my sl5 that is huge for 2 people is under 3lbs and i think theyre $300 now...
mountainsmith mountain lt is enough for 2 and 2lbs and can be had around $100
some of the options from http://www.bearpawwd.com/index.html (http://www.bearpawwd.com/index.html) are tought to beat for price/weight as well
Post by: Smossy on March 22, 2013, 10:09:57 AM
4 lbs is heavy for a 1 man tent in my opinion. You're going to spend over $100 for a heavy 1 man tent that is not free standing. I don't think free standing versus not free standing is a huge deal, but it is an inconvenience. I don't have too much interest in a 1 man tent anyway, especially not a 4 pound 1 man tent...mainly because I'm 6'4". I don't fit in them very well. I would save up another $100 and buy a nice 2 man tent in the 3-4# range and be happy, and have a little extra room in it to keep your boots dry.Its a 2man. For me and my girl. Gotta do the mans job and carry our heavier stuff. Still dont think thats bad. An extra lb for 2people? Compaired to his 1.5 alps.
My :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on March 22, 2013, 10:17:30 AM
Maybe I missed something.
4 pounds is not that heavy in the grand scheme of things but if it is a 1 man tent, 4 pounds is too heavy. My Vaporlite is a 2 man, 3 pounds and too small for 2 people but awesome for 1 and gear. I have another Sierra Designs CD tent that is a 2 man that is a palace, but it's a 4 season tent and 5.5 pounds all up. Heavy enough to make me want to take the one that's 2 pounds lighter unless I'm sharing the tent.
This is the 2 of them side by side. Both considered 2 man tents.
Post by: Smossy on March 22, 2013, 10:22:51 AM
All of the Alps 1.5 tents I saw when I googled Alps 1.5 were 1 man tents.Lol noo hes talking 1.5 for one per. Thats 3lbs for two people. Im saying 1 extra lb for a combined tent isnt a big deal. 4lbs for an xpg ultralight with dry storage on the outside...my pack averages 25-30lbs but give or take depending on the situation, whether i bring the cold steel pipe hawk, or extra water, full size med kit for longer trips. Etc
Maybe I missed something.
4 pounds is not that heavy in the grand scheme of things but if it is a 1 man tent, 4 pounds is too heavy.
Post by: Smossy on March 22, 2013, 10:24:28 AM
Post by: JPhelps on March 22, 2013, 10:25:04 AM
My 2.5 man tent weighs just over 2 lbs but its not free standing.
Post by: jackelope on March 22, 2013, 10:27:36 AM
All of the Alps 1.5 tents I saw when I googled Alps 1.5 were 1 man tents.Lol noo hes talking 1.5 for one per. Thats 3lbs for two people. Im saying 1 extra lb for a combined tent isnt a big deal. 4lbs for an xpg ultralight with dry storage on the outside...my pack averages 25-30lbs but give or take depending on the situation, whether i bring the cold steel pipe hawk, or extra water, full size med kit for longer trips. Etc
Maybe I missed something.
4 pounds is not that heavy in the grand scheme of things but if it is a 1 man tent, 4 pounds is too heavy.
The 1.5 is part of the model numbers of the tents, Smossy.
This one is on sale all over the www so I assumed that maybe it is the one he was referring to.
http://www.alpsmountaineering.com/alps/products/tents/lightweight-tents/mystique-15 (http://www.alpsmountaineering.com/alps/products/tents/lightweight-tents/mystique-15)
Post by: Smossy on March 22, 2013, 10:34:15 AM
Post by: HighCountryElk on March 22, 2013, 12:27:31 PM
Post by: kentrek on March 22, 2013, 02:55:48 PM
I agree on the weight being too high for a one man tent.
My 2.5 man tent weighs just over 2 lbs but its not free standing.
which tent do you own ?? and do you have exact weights ??
Post by: fillthefreezer on March 22, 2013, 03:24:10 PM
which tent do you own ?? and do you have exact weights ??not jason, but last time he mentioned it, he was running a squall 2 at 34oz
Post by: JPhelps on March 22, 2013, 04:51:41 PM
http://www.tarptent.com/rainshadow2.html (http://www.tarptent.com/rainshadow2.html)
Post by: timberghost72 on March 22, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,103396.msg1350507.html#msg1350507 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,103396.msg1350507.html#msg1350507)
It is roomy and light but poorly made IMO. You can find better for not much more.
Post by: SWHUNTER on March 23, 2013, 08:13:55 AM
I use the tarptent Rainshadow 2. It requires hiking poles or a stick for setup.
http://www.tarptent.com/rainshadow2.html (http://www.tarptent.com/rainshadow2.html)
JPhelps,
Have you had that thing out in a real downpour, or soaked it with a garden hose for a test? Just wondering how well it holds up to the rain.
Thanks, SW
Post by: JPhelps on March 23, 2013, 09:38:55 AM
I think I'm going to get a Tarptent Hogback or Hilleberg Nallo GT3 for use as a double wall tent. My current REI Taj3 is TOO Heavy for a 3 man tent but it has been bombproof.
Post by: SWHUNTER on March 23, 2013, 09:56:58 AM
Post by: Andrew on March 23, 2013, 12:54:46 PM
Ive got an old Kelty 2-person that is semi-free standing and think it is a pain in the ass when I can't get a stake in the ground. Has two poles to expand the tent, but it relies on gound staking to keep it up. However, I'm overall happy with it and if you're at all resourcefull you'll get the tent up if you don't have good staking ground.
I too am looking for a new tent option after last years high hunt and future family trips. Ater looking at Tarptent, Six Moon Design, and a few others I'm now debating the Mountain Hardware Hoopla 4-person that weights 27 oz. without ground cloth. Reviews I've read say it is a stretch to get four, but is a roomy 3-person. It utilizes a single treking pole in the center and if you use the ground cloth it weighs just over three pounds. I could probably create my own floor out of tyvek or some other housewrap to drop weight. My only concerns are that it is similar to my current tent and requires ground staking, and the footprint size might make it difficult to find a good spot.
Post by: JLS on March 23, 2013, 01:00:23 PM
I have looked at non-free standing, and they are very appealing. You just have to know what you're getting into when it comes time to pitch it. Otherwise, you could end up very screwed.
I use trekking poles, which really you should be using. These would serve as your tent poles for the tarp type tents.
Post by: hillbillyhunting on March 23, 2013, 09:11:11 PM
I like to have the ability to free stand. You never know where you are gonna need to set up camp, and sometimes you dont have a lot of options to anchor to. So, the ability to free stand, can make putting a camp spot together more flexible. Your deal sounds like a good one, weigh your camping experiences out and go for it if you want it! :tup:
:yeah:
I agree that the tent you are looking at is too heavy for what it is. To answer the original question I agree with the response above. I am going to try to avoid non-free standing tents. I have used them for years and have gotten by, but I really like the ability to set my tent up anywhere.
Post by: actionshooter on March 23, 2013, 09:21:07 PM
Here is my Kifaru at 1-1/2 pounds.
Post by: 7mag. on March 24, 2013, 08:06:24 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on March 24, 2013, 08:03:39 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 24, 2013, 08:08:08 PM
I dont think 4lbs Is alot for a backpacking tent. You can pick them up for around 130$ at cabelas. :dunno:
Four pounds is a LOT. My entire sleep system, tarp, bivy, sleeping bag weighs 4 pounds.
Post by: GUHunter on March 25, 2013, 01:29:57 AM
Post by: hillbillyhunting on March 25, 2013, 10:25:21 PM
I dont worry too much about being able to set up a non-free standing tent. If I couldnt get a stake in the ground, i likely could find something heavy (rock) to anchor to instead.
True, but sometimes it is tough to get the tent setup and retain the optimal function of a tent. It totally depends on the terrain you plan on hiking into.
Post by: Smossy on March 25, 2013, 10:46:42 PM
I believe there is a place for free standing and non, just depends on when and where.That would be perfect for solo hunting. I think Im going to pick one of those up, Thanks for that photo. Its pretty persuasive. I dont think you can go wrong with alittle over a pound and that price.
Here is my Kifaru at 1-1/2 pounds.
Post by: colockumelk on April 06, 2013, 11:40:57 AM
TENT
http://www.golite.com/Shangri-La-2-Tarp-P47002.aspx (http://www.golite.com/Shangri-La-2-Tarp-P47002.aspx)
FOOTPRINT (its for another tent but :dunno:) there's some somewhat cheap options around as far as floors goes. This is just an example.
http://www.golite.com/Imogene-UL3-Footprint-P47005.aspx (http://www.golite.com/Imogene-UL3-Footprint-P47005.aspx)
Post by: fillthefreezer on April 06, 2013, 01:01:05 PM
How about this one from Go-Lite. Weighs 1lb 9oz is 45 sq feet and costs $149. It's fully enclosed. It is floorless but you can buy a foot print that weighs 7oz for $35.00for minimal weight, and a ton more sq.ft sl-3 would be easy choice over sl-2 to me.. :twocents:
Post by: colockumelk on April 06, 2013, 03:03:10 PM
How about this one from Go-Lite. Weighs 1lb 9oz is 45 sq feet and costs $149. It's fully enclosed. It is floorless but you can buy a foot print that weighs 7oz for $35.00for minimal weight, and a ton more sq.ft sl-3 would be easy choice over sl-2 to me.. :twocents:
I love the SL3 and intend to own it when I get back. But it weighs 1lb 5 oz more and costs $100 more and I don't know what Ross's budget is.
Para-2 Fly = 1lb 7oz
Para-2 stakes = 4 oz
Footprint= 7oz
Trekking poles = 16oz ?????
Total heaviest weight is 3lb 2oz
SL3 nest = 1lb 13 oz
SL3 FLY = 1lb 10oz
SL3 stakes = 3oz
SL3 tent pole = 13oz
Total heaviest weight is 4lb 7oz.
Post by: colockumelk on April 06, 2013, 05:54:38 PM
How about this one from Go-Lite. Weighs 1lb 9oz is 45 sq feet and costs $149. It's fully enclosed. It is floorless but you can buy a foot print that weighs 7oz for $35.00for minimal weight, and a ton more sq.ft sl-3 would be easy choice over sl-2 to me.. :twocents:
Fillthefreezer when you take the SL3 what is your set up. Are you going floorless and using trekking poles? How do you like tje SL3.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 06, 2013, 05:57:16 PM
www.zpacks.com (http://www.zpacks.com)
Post by: shootnrun on April 06, 2013, 07:40:09 PM
Post by: romaknows on April 06, 2013, 07:48:12 PM
I am torn between the sl3, sl5, and mointainsmith mtn shelter... The sl3 looks nice, the sl5 is impossible to get your hands on, and the mtn shelter is too darn cheap to pass up! I'd love an sl 5 but don't know when ill be able to get one if I don't check their availability on the day they are released..
The mountainsmith mnt shelter looks like a great deal, the owner of kifaru used to own mountainsmith. :twocents:
Post by: colockumelk on April 06, 2013, 08:16:24 PM
Post by: fillthefreezer on April 07, 2013, 10:57:09 AM
How big is the mountainsmith. Their website is confusing. It gives a very minimal amount of info about their tents.their website totally brings the suck
http://www.rokslide.com/forums/showthread.php?5447-Mountainsmith-mountain-shelter-lt&highlight=mountainsmith (http://www.rokslide.com/forums/showthread.php?5447-Mountainsmith-mountain-shelter-lt&highlight=mountainsmith)
Post by: 7mag. on April 07, 2013, 11:32:30 AM
How about this one from Go-Lite. Weighs 1lb 9oz is 45 sq feet and costs $149. It's fully enclosed. It is floorless but you can buy a foot print that weighs 7oz for $35.00for minimal weight, and a ton more sq.ft sl-3 would be easy choice over sl-2 to me.. :twocents:
Fillthefreezer when you take the SL3 what is your set up. Are you going floorless and using trekking poles? How do you like tje SL3.
I have the SL3, and I am very happy with it. It works well with the nest and without. I have not used it with a trekking pole yet, because the provided pole is very lightweight.
Post by: fillthefreezer on April 07, 2013, 01:08:42 PM
Quote from: colockumelk link=toypic=121232.msg1618080#msg1618080 date=1365296078
Fillthefreezer when you take the SL3 what is your set up. Are you going floorless and using trekking poles? How do you like tje SL3.i actually run the SL5, not the 3 but my comment was based on theory of 1.5oz buys you 15sqft. word has it the shape of the SL3 bucks wind very well. i really like my sl5 though, summertime I've used it with the nest with the wife and dog and then with tyvek and trekking poles starting in sept through nov. mine with guylines is 34oz on my scale and i pack 8-10oz of stakes. this year im ditching the tyvek in favor of a tigoat bivy.
i should add, the golite stakes SUCK!
i run 4 msr groundhogs at the corners, 4 hilleberg pro pegs on the guy points, and a bunch of hilleberg vipers around the perim.
Post by: colockumelk on April 07, 2013, 04:09:24 PM
Rosscrazyelk forget what I said about the Shangri-La2. If you are looking for a good priced 2 person tent then get the Mountainsmith Mountain Shelter LT. Definetily a better tent than the SL2. I would look at that tent.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 12, 2013, 03:39:34 PM
Post by: bucksbearsbeers on April 15, 2013, 06:46:07 AM
Post by: whacker1 on April 15, 2013, 08:27:09 AM
I have chosen to shy away from a non freestanding because my tent gets more use than just for hunting. I just picked up the golite Imogene UL3. It's a 3 man weighing 3 lb 8 oz with the footprint. I need the freestanding for the mountaineering and backpacking trips where freestanding is a must. I'm excited to try out the Imogene as it's over two pounds lighter than my 2 man Cabelas tent that I've been using for years.
Let me know how it goes as I was looking at the Imogene UL2.
Post by: Forks on April 15, 2013, 07:54:59 PM