Post by: xXLojackXx on March 21, 2013, 09:34:55 AM
Post by: rtspring on March 21, 2013, 09:36:51 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 21, 2013, 09:40:03 AM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on March 21, 2013, 09:42:35 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 21, 2013, 09:45:14 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 21, 2013, 09:54:16 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 21, 2013, 09:57:11 AM
Post by: SGTDuffman on March 21, 2013, 10:21:10 AM
Though, that would take away an excellent reason for another gun, which is unfortunate to say the least. Maybe you could get the gun anyways and say that's what it's for then just take spray instead.
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Shoot-or-Spray.html (http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Shoot-or-Spray.html)
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 21, 2013, 10:22:56 AM
On that note I'll keep a 10mm for the blackies and I'll look into a short revolver in a bigger caliber for grizz. But in the event of needing to use it I'll be lucky to hit the bear while pissing my pants simultaneously :)
Post by: Broken Arrow on March 21, 2013, 10:23:52 AM
http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/research-bear-spray-stops-angry-grizzlies-better-than-guns/article_b0d338b6-7638-11e1-b809-0019bb2963f4.html (http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/research-bear-spray-stops-angry-grizzlies-better-than-guns/article_b0d338b6-7638-11e1-b809-0019bb2963f4.html)
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 21, 2013, 10:26:21 AM
Id definately carry the spray also as maybe my first option. Spray is a no go if the wind is in your face though! And thats how most hunt.
Post by: CP on March 21, 2013, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: h20hunter on March 21, 2013, 10:38:48 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 21, 2013, 10:41:31 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on March 21, 2013, 10:45:01 AM
Post by: snowpack on March 21, 2013, 11:03:58 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 21, 2013, 11:09:49 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2013, 11:44:34 AM
:chuckle:
I read somewhere that the 10mm is becoming more and more popular in Alaska as a carry gun in the woods.
:dunno: Can't say for sure. Maybe I actually read that on here.
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 21, 2013, 12:00:46 PM
Most of them in Montana aren't a whole lot bigger than the black bears. My first time hiking in yellowstone on our first trip into the backcountry less than 1 mile into the hike we ran into a grizz. I was surprised at how small it was versus what I was expecting. He might have been 300 pounds. The encounter was uneventful as he went his way and we went ours. Which translates to....we turned around, hiked back to the car and went hiking somewhere else.
:chuckle:
I read somewhere that the 10mm is becoming more and more popular in Alaska as a carry gun in the woods.
:dunno: Can't say for sure. Maybe I actually read that on here.
That's why I asked, I've heard a number of people carry 10's up in Alaska. In the heat of the moment I'd probably rather have 15 rounds of 10mm than 6 of .44mag or something similar.
Post by: sirmissalot on March 21, 2013, 12:35:53 PM
I agree with jackelope in that most the bears aren't that big. We have trail cam pictures of one big bruiser but he's still maybe 600lbs, nothing compared to the big browns up north.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 21, 2013, 12:58:26 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 21, 2013, 01:05:08 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2013, 01:13:39 PM
Once you guys have a face to face with a charging grizz that was in excess of 700# easlily, you'll think differently. This was a lower 48 grizz as well. I'd never came across anything in the woods that worried me much including wolves and cats, but this really turned on a whole light. Just pray that when they erpu,t that hopefully it occcurs at a distance great enough that they realize you're a human and not other prey. :twocents:
I'm sure you've seen more than 1 in your escapades. How many of them are that big?
Maybe I'm off. We did see one other one from a great distance so tough to say just how big, but it still wasn't a legendary 9 footer from up north.
Post by: 75johndeere on March 21, 2013, 01:30:19 PM
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Post by: MtnMuley on March 21, 2013, 04:25:56 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 21, 2013, 04:43:21 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 22, 2013, 08:13:25 AM
Bear spray is a more effective solution.
Definately a matter of opinion. Horsepower for me. :twocents:
Post by: washingtonmuley on March 22, 2013, 08:22:16 AM
Bear spray is a more effective solution.
Definately a matter of opinion. Horsepower for me. :twocents:
Good luck with that bear spray. I will take my .454 over bear spray any day.
Post by: headshot5 on March 22, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
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Good luck with that bear spray. I will take my .454 over bear spray any day.:yeah:
I'd rather trust myselft to something i can control (one of my pistolas) as opposed to bear spray which is rather ineffective in any wind, especially a head wind. All you do then, is baste yourself with pepper sauce. Having both would be the ultimate option. But if I had to choose one over the other it would be the pistol, if nothing else you can use the pistol to call for help after you get the crap chewed out of you. Three shots in the air (with pepperspray) after being mauled won't do you much good except to shower hotsauce in open wounds.
Post by: sirmissalot on March 22, 2013, 08:45:33 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 22, 2013, 08:59:57 AM
Perhaps although numerous studies have consistently concluded that bear spray is more effective.Bear spray is a more effective solution.
Definately a matter of opinion. Horsepower for me. :twocents:
Post by: MtnMuley on March 22, 2013, 02:40:48 PM
Perhaps although numerous studies have consistently concluded that bear spray is more effective.Bear spray is a more effective solution.
Definately a matter of opinion. Horsepower for me. :twocents:
Surely they have. I totally believe that. I'd really like to know how many "real-life" situations were involved in these studies. Were the "test" bears in their natural wild completely unaware...? Anyhow, I'll quit, but these studies I keep hearing about from this to certain salmon/steelhead studies, are very biased studies that make one to think that everything in print is fact. :twocents:
Post by: snowpack on March 22, 2013, 03:06:39 PM
The comparison I belive used bear spray (only designated BEAR spray, not pepper or mace) and compared to ALL firearms (not just suitable grizzly calibers). So, they were comparing the spray effectiveness to that of combined results from .22, .223, .243, 9mm,.30-06, .458, etc. It also included bears that were wounded and then attacked the hunters walking up to the brush, not just attacks. It was all incidents involving firearms. I'd like to see a comparison of adequate guns vs spray.Perhaps although numerous studies have consistently concluded that bear spray is more effective.Bear spray is a more effective solution.
Definately a matter of opinion. Horsepower for me. :twocents:
Surely they have. I totally believe that. I'd really like to know how many "real-life" situations were involved in these studies. Were the "test" bears in their natural wild completely unaware...? Anyhow, I'll quit, but these studies I keep hearing about from this to certain salmon/steelhead studies, are very biased studies that make one to think that everything in print is fact. :twocents:
Post by: Bob33 on March 22, 2013, 03:22:43 PM
http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/research-bear-spray-stops-angry-grizzlies-better-than-guns/article_b0d338b6-7638-11e1-b809-0019bb2963f4.html (http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/research-bear-spray-stops-angry-grizzlies-better-than-guns/article_b0d338b6-7638-11e1-b809-0019bb2963f4.html)
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Post by: fillthefreezer on March 22, 2013, 03:51:03 PM
The lightweight is a compromise. Your getting a light gun for sure. But they are limited on how heavy, and powerful of ammo you can run safely. I almost bought the 329PD, but after reading up, I went the Alaskan route shooting +P+ ammo.is this for real?
i really doubt youre gonna damage the gun running a few hundred hot 300gr loads through it over its life span. its not like its a range pistol shooting 10k rounds...
i have put about 150 305gr buffalo bore through my wifes without a hiccup.
Post by: longrange7mm on March 22, 2013, 04:05:54 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on March 22, 2013, 04:09:18 PM
Post by: JLS on March 22, 2013, 04:14:47 PM
I've had a close quarters stare down with a big female and yearling. Spray is my first choice. A mist of that is not going to kill anyone. In fact, I'd just plan on getting a dose of it if you have to use it. However, it has been proven effective.
Post by: Mudman on March 22, 2013, 04:28:18 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on March 24, 2013, 11:39:36 AM
I'd say that bullet composition and weight would make more of a difference than caliber, all things being equal.
Post by: MikeWalking on March 24, 2013, 12:10:11 PM
Perhaps although numerous studies have consistently concluded that bear spray is more effective.Bear spray is a more effective solution.
Definately a matter of opinion. Horsepower for me. :twocents:
That's true. Then again how many of the people that relied on guns had the nerve or skill to put rounds where they needed to be.
Post by: Cap.Silver on March 25, 2013, 07:01:17 PM
Skip the gun altogether......not gonna save your butt. Just make sure you always hunt with somebody slower and fatter....YOU will be fine.I wouldn't advertise it like that :chuckle: D-Rock is taking you hunt, right ? :dunno: just think for second - is it your personality ,looks or you guys are going to grizzly country ?:chuckle:
Post by: RB on March 25, 2013, 07:29:42 PM
Cary what ever makes you feel supported. However don't overlook some data about attacks. IMHO I would carry both::yeah:
http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/research-bear-spray-stops-angry-grizzlies-better-than-guns/article_b0d338b6-7638-11e1-b809-0019bb2963f4.html (http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/research-bear-spray-stops-angry-grizzlies-better-than-guns/article_b0d338b6-7638-11e1-b809-0019bb2963f4.html)
I have hunted in Grizzly country many times and have only seen five all from the boat. All the residents of Alaska I have hunted with carry rifles (.300 win mag or bigger and 12ga with buckshot and slugs) Bear spray in research appears to be better, but then you really have an upset bear. Best part of bear spray (12ga buckshot too) is a bear cannot kill what a bear cannot see.
Take out the eyes and disable it and it can buy you some time. I have fired one warning shot at a Brown Bear and I can honestly say I have never seen anything run away so fast! That thing all but left a road through the brush getting away from us. The others did the same just with our voices. Make a little noise and never surprise a Grizzly! :twocents:
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 25, 2013, 07:45:52 PM
The lightweight is a compromise. Your getting a light gun for sure. But they are limited on how heavy, and powerful of ammo you can run safely. I almost bought the 329PD, but after reading up, I went the Alaskan route shooting +P+ ammo.is this for real?
i really doubt youre gonna damage the gun running a few hundred hot 300gr loads through it over its life span. its not like its a range pistol shooting 10k rounds...
i have put about 150 305gr buffalo bore through my wifes without a hiccup.
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Read buffalo bullets warnings on the +p+ ammo. Not a smith made rated to withstand its pressure.
Post by: wildweeds on March 25, 2013, 07:49:32 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 25, 2013, 08:07:52 PM
The lightweight is a compromise. Your getting a light gun for sure. But they are limited on how heavy, and powerful of ammo you can run safely. I almost bought the 329PD, but after reading up, I went the Alaskan route shooting +P+ ammo.is this for real?
i really doubt youre gonna damage the gun running a few hundred hot 300gr loads through it over its life span. its not like its a range pistol shooting 10k rounds...
i have put about 150 305gr buffalo bore through my wifes without a hiccup.
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Read buffalo bullets warnings on the +p+ ammo. Not a smith made rated to withstand its pressure. Like I said above....I run the +p+.....
305 grn maybe. But not what I run.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=54 (https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=54)
Post by: jess on March 25, 2013, 09:06:36 PM
Post by: Birddogman on March 25, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
I have hunted and hiked in Grizzly country (libby, MT. and yaak) and all I carried was a .38....Most encounters can be avoided, but those that can't can end up poorly with spray or a pistol. At lease with a pistol you have more time and distance in your favor as well as noise. Bear spray you have "30 ft" accuracy, but it is more like 15' and in the wind it is horribly ineffective. I would rather scare or kill a bear at a greater distance than to gamble on a can of spray at 15' JMO
Post by: Labs07 on March 27, 2013, 08:11:17 AM
I think that bear spray and shotgun alternating slugs and buckshot would be my weapons of choice. I hunt Wyoming every year for Elk and see a bear just about every year so I give them a wide birth and go about my business and have not had any difficulties. I live in montana for years and saw many bears there as well and never had any problems but did have one bear follow me out of the woods after a deer hunt. That was not fun but I died not have any issues.
Post by: SGTDuffman on March 27, 2013, 01:09:11 PM
Aggressive bears were deterred or killed 84% of the time with handguns, and 76% of the time with long guns. People with and without firearms suffered the same rates of injury.
Between 1985 (when sprays first started appearing) and 2006 there were 83 close encounters involving 156 people. In all the incidents involving spray, there were 3 people injured, and none killed. They deterred attacks a bit more than 98% of the time.
You gotta make your decision, but if the choice for me came down to hitting a bear in the head while its running at me 30mph, with the target bobbing left and right, I think I'd take the cloud of spray for him to run through.
If you've ever had pepper spray or CS in your face, you'd know how unpleasant it is. If you think about a bears much more sensitive sense of smell, it's probably that much more unpleasant for them. It works for skunks, it'll work for you.
Bears go the other way when you blind them, just like people and everything else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnACum4SJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnACum4SJs)
Pit bulls don't care for it either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsgvUohhpqc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsgvUohhpqc)
Post by: MikeWalking on March 27, 2013, 01:31:38 PM
Now consider Bear Spray is 8x hotter than OC. I've been hit in the face with Bear Spray, thank God for the eye ware. It stung so bad the CS I got hosed with in training was like a Cold remedy.
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