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Title: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 25, 2013, 09:16:59 AM
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Times-At-100-state-parks-in-grim-state-of-disrepair-199778351.html (http://www.king5.com/news/local/Times-At-100-state-parks-in-grim-state-of-disrepair-199778351.html)


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Mar 24, 2013

Times: At 100, state parks in grim state of disrepair

Washington State Parks turn 100 this month. But not since the Great Depression has the park system been so imperiled.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Times-At-100-state-parks-in-grim-state-of-disrepair-199778351.html (http://www.king5.com/news/local/Times-At-100-state-parks-in-grim-state-of-disrepair-199778351.html)

by LYNDA V. MAPES / The Seattle Times



Posted on March 24, 2013 at 3:37 PM



 

Related:
•Times writer Lynda Mapes talks about imperiled state parks



Washington state’s park system turns 100 this year, but not since the Great Depression has it been so imperiled.

 In a park historic site near Chehalis, Washington’s first courthouse is rotting from the ground up. Outside Ellensburg, at Olmstead Place State Park, heirloom hand-stitched dresses are moth-eaten and the walls water-stained in one of the earliest farmsteads in Eastern Washington.

 At Lake Wenatchee State Park, extensive wreckage caused by winter storms is still lying on the ground, with another season about to open. At Flaming Geyser State Park in Auburn, a historic lodge renovated to host weddings — a hoped-for moneymaker for the parks — sits shuttered because there’s no money for needed water, sewer and electrical repairs.

 All over the state, many of Washington’s 117 parks, 700 historic buildings and 33 heritage centers and interpretive sites are showing signs of neglect and even abandonment as a result of dramatic budget cuts.

Read the full Seattle Times story.


http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020628849_stateparksxml.html (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020628849_stateparksxml.html)
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 25, 2013, 09:21:00 AM
They should probably charge more for the Discover Pass. That worked so well. :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: washelkhunter on March 25, 2013, 09:21:26 AM
Too much for the state to keep up with. Privitize every state park with a campground and the operation of the state ferry system.  :tup:
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: huntnphool on March 25, 2013, 09:42:00 AM
I guess the $1.4 billion the WDFW estimated the wolves would generate from wildlife watching has fallen a little short.
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: Wazukie on March 25, 2013, 09:47:40 AM
One of two choices to be had, privatize all state parks or shut um down, plain and simple, at least in my view.
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: bigtex on March 25, 2013, 09:48:36 AM
One of two choices to be had, privatize all state parks or shut um down, plain and simple, at least in my view.

And the legislative answer this year is to start giving them more tax/general fund money.
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 25, 2013, 10:14:26 AM
What's the matter with you guys?  The Government fully expected us redneck neanderthal gun-toting lowlifes to fund the State Parks, and we let them down!  For shame!....  :chuckle:
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: spanky on March 28, 2013, 07:26:48 PM
i blame the youth of the nation. they don't care about some building that was built 100 years ago they just want a new phone. if more people were visiting such sites they may be in better condition the past is fading with our grandparents pride in hard work
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: Cap.Silver on March 28, 2013, 07:55:21 PM
....and I blame somebody too  :chuckle: Why don't they take the wolf money and use that instead ?? Or get rid of the useless 5000 people at Wa state dept of L&I ....we don't need clerks for everything . :twocents: or let's use the money we spend for these  useless speed signs on I-90 and I-5
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: bigtex on March 29, 2013, 09:52:06 AM
i blame the youth of the nation. they don't care about some building that was built 100 years ago they just want a new phone. if more people were visiting such sites they may be in better condition the past is fading with our grandparents pride in hard work
That aside, Most of the State Parks that have camping are packed every weekend during the summer. Maybe some rate increases are in order.

Already being talked about
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: Special T on March 29, 2013, 01:51:17 PM
The state and the Wa Parks refuse to make hard choices. Not every state park is valued... They could raise rates a little, and/OR they could put in some more camping spots. :twocents: Some parks are PACKED day in day out. Many like Potholes State park get LOTS of use and are a great State investment. Others like many here on the West side are NOT good investments... Most day use parks do little/nothing to offset thier own costs.

The fact that the state cannot figure out how to make $ or keep a RENOVATED building open in Auburn shows a lack of prioreties.  :bash:  Many peices of property have been donated to Wa state parks, or other organisations only to be sold off, because they did not "fit" well with thier mission.
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: bigtex on March 29, 2013, 04:36:21 PM
The state and the Wa Parks refuse to make hard choices. Not every state park is valued... They could raise rates a little, and/OR they could put in some more camping spots. :twocents: Some parks are PACKED day in day out. Many like Potholes State park get LOTS of use and are a great State investment. Others like many here on the West side are NOT good investments... Most day use parks do little/nothing to offset thier own costs.

The fact that the state cannot figure out how to make $ or keep a RENOVATED building open in Auburn shows a lack of prioreties.  :bash:  Many peices of property have been donated to Wa state parks, or other organisations only to be sold off, because they did not "fit" well with thier mission.

Agree 100%
There are parks which don't need to be WA Parks.
A problem Parks has been having is in some cases they are legally required to run it as a Park. There are numerous times when X Family gave the lands to Parks in 1950 to run it as a park and in the donation agreement it had to remain a park forever. So in this situation Parks either has to keep the land or move it to a city/county Parks department most of which are all cash strapped. They can't transfer the lands to DNR, WDFW, or the feds because they wont be "parks" anymore. So Parks basically has to keep it.

A similar thing happened in my community. Land was donated to the school district in the 50s and required the district ONLY operate it as school grounds and never sell it, district signed the deal and build the school. 2010 rolls around and they build the new school on newly acquired land in a safer area, plan being to sell off the original land (which be in the millions because of it's location). Ooops! During the sale process someone found out the district cannot legally sell the land. So now the district is scrambling to find some distant relative of the original donater to pursuade them to somehow change the deal. And the building has sat vacant for about 3 years.
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: sled on March 29, 2013, 04:43:13 PM
  We purposely do not go to state parks because they charge so much.  Maybe if the feed were not so high more people might use them.
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: bigtex on March 29, 2013, 04:53:03 PM
I've always said that DNR's Mt Si Natural Resource Conservation Area in King County should be under State Parks and not DNR. Here is why:

In my view Mt Si is essentially a state park with out the "park" name, as far as I know it is the most used DNR lands in the state. Olallie St Park just up I-90 has a couple trails and is almost all surrounded by USFS lands and has a year round LE Ranger. A he!l of a lot more revenue can be brought in to Parks by simply giving Olallie to the USFS, moving Mt Si to Parks and having that Ranger come a couple miles down 90 and work at Si.
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: hiway_99 on March 29, 2013, 06:30:37 PM
How about raising the senior off season rate.  There only paying $6 a night.  I still pay $28 a night.

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Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: Special T on March 29, 2013, 06:55:28 PM
I refuse to give the Parks (and most other gov agencies) extra $ because they do not even seem to grab the low hanging fruit in the decision making category. There are SOOOO many little things that could add up and make a big difference for both the citizens and the different departments yet no one can seem to make a decision... It has been said to me before that "Indecision IS a decision, and is often worse that making a decision that that is not 90% perfect.  :twocents:
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: logger on March 30, 2013, 07:58:07 AM
For what it's worth, A good friend of mine formerly a park ranger in the san jaun's now a gamie, wanted to horse log some blown down timber in area's of the park that was basically useless because of so much blowdown, he has a extensive background in timber and figured after cost's it would generate a net income of 220 grand with minimal damage, and make that area of the park useable again. As per usual it was a no go. I have and do some danger tree work at state parks around the state and most times it cost's them about 5 grand to take out 20,000 in timber and they just let it lay and rot! I know it's not a popular idea but when the tree's got to go anyhow they might as well sell em. I harvest about 5-6 acres a year for the tacoma school dist. on their tree farm which funds their summer school program.  just a idea to maybe generate a little more revenue.
Title: Re: King 5 Story 3- 24 State Parks Whining About Lack of Funds (again)
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on March 30, 2013, 08:09:39 AM
 Typical wetside  thinking logger
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