Post by: hunterrcc on March 27, 2013, 10:03:12 PM
Post by: Sliverslinger on March 27, 2013, 10:17:23 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 27, 2013, 10:22:07 PM
Post by: flinger on March 27, 2013, 10:23:01 PM
Post by: uplandhunter870 on March 27, 2013, 10:30:53 PM
Berman ICS hunters in a 340 are a great start.
:yeah: x2
those are what i use and am quite happy with them, not sure if you can beat the price point and performance. cabelas carbon express are a solid arrow as well
Post by: hunterrcc on March 27, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
Post by: flinger on March 27, 2013, 10:34:21 PM
Post by: coachcw on March 28, 2013, 06:35:04 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on March 28, 2013, 06:48:24 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 28, 2013, 06:53:02 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 28, 2013, 07:05:57 AM
carbon express maxima hunters in 350 , with the weight forward design and 100 grain points they will shoot great and be right at the legal limit with your draw length . if you want a heavier set up i'd go with fmj's .
I dont quite understand this statement.
The regs says your arrow must weigh 300 grains or greater.
With a 100gr broadhead, knock, insert, vanes he's starting off right around 115 grains, give or take?
Leaves him with an arrow choice of 200 grains or more. 200/30=6.66, so any arrow that weighs over 6.6 grs/in will work for him, correct? Those maxima 350 weighs 8.9grs/in. 8.9*30=267. plus 115 = 382 grs. Well over the legal limit of 300.
Is this correct? I'm very new to this legal weight thing and just making sure I am understanding it and how it works. Am I on the right track and thought process?
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 28, 2013, 07:09:29 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 28, 2013, 07:15:19 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 28, 2013, 07:17:28 AM
The law is 300 grain minimum or 6 grains per pound of draw weight. A 70# bow must shoot a 420 grain arrow.6x70=420
You say "300 grain minimum or 6 grains per pound of draw weight." "Or" means one or the other, correct? So as long as its over 300 grains and over 20" in length he would be legal, by this sentence. Right?
Post by: grousetracker on March 28, 2013, 07:19:59 AM
Post by: Band on March 28, 2013, 07:21:27 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 28, 2013, 07:23:01 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 28, 2013, 07:27:13 AM
No any bow under 50# has to shoot a minimum of 300 grains or more any bow over 50# has to use the 6 grains per pound of draw weight. If you shoot a 51# bow your arrow has to weight 306
Where did you get the 50lbs info from? The only thing I can find on arrow weight is this
2.Rules pertaining to long bow, recurve
bow: and compound bow archery:
a.It is unlawful for any person to hunt
big game animals with a bow that does
not produce a minimum of 40 pounds
of pull measured at twenty-eight
inches or less draw length.
b. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals
with any arrow measuring less than 20
inches in length or weighing less than
6 grains per pound of draw weight
with a minimum arrow weight of 300
grains.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 28, 2013, 07:37:15 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 28, 2013, 07:40:05 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 28, 2013, 07:52:20 AM
70*6=420 total grains minimum he has to shoot
420-115(100gr head 15 gr for insert vanes etc) = 305
305/30 (his arrow length) = 10.16
So, to be legal, he has to find an arrow that weighs more than 10.16 grains per inch?
Thats going to be difficult to do, isnt it?
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 28, 2013, 07:56:47 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 28, 2013, 07:58:45 AM
No its total weight tip included.
Correct,
In that math above, I have the tip included in the minimum weight for a 70lb bow is 420grs.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 28, 2013, 07:59:28 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 28, 2013, 08:02:32 AM
Has nothing to do with lenght .
What? It has to. The length of your arrow will determine the total weight. A 70lbs bow requires a 420gr arrow. If you have a 27in draw you will have a shorter arrow than a 30" draw. Thats 3 less inch of arrow shaft weight you add up to get to the 420gr min for a 70 lb bow.
Show me the math to figure it out then. I am clearly confused.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 28, 2013, 08:02:37 AM
yes minimum total weight for a 70# pull hunting bow most be 420 grains. Broadhead includedNo its total weight tip included.
Correct,
In that math above, I have the tip included in the minimum weight for a 70lb bow is 420grs.
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 28, 2013, 08:08:03 AM
Has nothing to do with lenght .:yeah: Weight of your arrow is only based on your draw weight.
Post by: JP on March 28, 2013, 08:11:07 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 28, 2013, 08:13:04 AM
Anty up and buy some Easton ACC. You wont be dissapointed:)besides on the extra money they spent for no reason.
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 28, 2013, 08:30:56 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 28, 2013, 08:31:26 AM
Anty up and buy some Easton ACC. You wont be dissapointed:)besides on the extra money they spent for no reason.
:yeah:
My cheapie Easton arrows group just fine and they cost me $5 each. I think a lot of people want to spend more money when they don't want to admit that its their technique that sucks.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on March 28, 2013, 09:00:20 AM
Example: In your scenario he is shooting a 100 grain tip, bump that up to 125 and do the numbers again. now factor in a 10 grain arrow wrap, or a brass insert of X weight. Now you have more wiggle room and options. Depending on his correct spine there should be alot of choices available that dont even require getting creative.
@ OP, lotsa good suggestions, For bargain arrows, cabelas, bemans, and the cheaper GT seem hard to beat spec wise. I have shot Eastons for years both axis, and FMJ and they performed very well, but after some comparisons, I think you can do better for the money. :dunno:
Post by: Bean Counter on March 28, 2013, 09:01:29 AM
Post by: 92xj on March 28, 2013, 09:04:46 AM
@92x in the scenario you presented you are correct. :tup: If shooting that setup he would need to find a shaft that was in that weight range. However, Those numbers are dynamic, point weights change, nocks, fletchings, arrow wraps, brass inserts, even glue can all add into, and change the overall weight of any given arrow.
Example: In your scenario he is shooting a 100 grain tip, bump that up to 125 and do the numbers again. now factor in a 10 grain arrow wrap, or a brass insert of X weight. Now you have more wiggle room and options. Depending on his correct spine there should be alot of choices available that dont even require getting creative.
@ OP, lotsa good suggestions, For bargain arrows, cabelas, bemans, and the cheaper GT seem hard to beat spec wise. I have shot Eastons for years both axis, and FMJ and they performed very well, but after some comparisons, I think you can do better for the money. :dunno:
Thanks! I was hoping someone would get what I was saying. I was starting to question my basic math knowledge and reading comprehension of the regs.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on March 28, 2013, 09:10:42 AM
blackveltbowhunter: do you have a larger pic of your avatar? Looks great! :drool:
Thanks :tup: Its actually just an image I pulled off google.
@92x in the scenario you presented you are correct. :tup: If shooting that setup he would need to find a shaft that was in that weight range. However, Those numbers are dynamic, point weights change, nocks, fletchings, arrow wraps, brass inserts, even glue can all add into, and change the overall weight of any given arrow.
Example: In your scenario he is shooting a 100 grain tip, bump that up to 125 and do the numbers again. now factor in a 10 grain arrow wrap, or a brass insert of X weight. Now you have more wiggle room and options. Depending on his correct spine there should be alot of choices available that dont even require getting creative.
@ OP, lotsa good suggestions, For bargain arrows, cabelas, bemans, and the cheaper GT seem hard to beat spec wise. I have shot Eastons for years both axis, and FMJ and they performed very well, but after some comparisons, I think you can do better for the money. :dunno:
Thanks! I was hoping someone would get what I was saying. I was starting to question my basic math knowledge and reading comprehension of the regs.
:tup:
Post by: LeeMajors on March 28, 2013, 09:12:04 AM
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Post by: blackveltbowhunter on March 28, 2013, 09:30:49 AM
Post by: SGTDuffman on March 29, 2013, 11:14:57 AM
You may want to bump up your estimates for nock, fletch, insert, etc. too. Most inserts alone weigh somewhere in the vicinity of 15-20gr (brass ones are usually 75-100gr), fletchs are usually 3-8gr each, nocks are around 9-20gr (20 would be more for something like a GT HD pin nock setup), and wraps if you have them are also usually around 8-10gr.
So really the assorted arrow components probably weigh around 35gr on the low end, and that's with feathers not vanes. Vanes put it closer to 40-45gr. Plus glue. Grains add up fast. 1gr = 1/7,000th of a pound.
I get around the problem all together by shooting 10+gpp and high FOC stuff. FOC is 18.3%
Post by: coachcw on March 29, 2013, 09:48:49 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 31, 2013, 10:22:57 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 31, 2013, 10:33:01 AM
Post by: earlmarne on March 31, 2013, 10:55:47 AM
second would be beman ics hunters.i have all sorts of arrows n i still pick a half dozen of the ics hunters up.they are a really tuff arrow n they fly great for me
Post by: xXx Archery on March 31, 2013, 05:52:15 PM
Post by: JPhelps on March 31, 2013, 07:08:20 PM
Post by: demontang on March 31, 2013, 07:15:01 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 31, 2013, 07:27:24 PM
I used to buy more expensive arrows but I tried the Cabela's Carbon Hunter arrows in an experimentation phase last year and found them to be perfectly suitable for both target practice and hunting. They come with a variety of vane types and they go on sale for $25/half dozen quite often. There is no reason, especially for a beginner, that they shouldn't be your arrow of choice. :twocents:
I have it on reliable account that the Carbon Hunters are indeed made by Beman, and are in fact the exact same shafts as the Beman ICS Hunters with different logo.
Post by: PolarBear on March 31, 2013, 07:29:38 PM
Post by: coachcw on April 01, 2013, 06:39:22 AM
You can't overdraw and stack a scale. Peak draw weight is in the draw cycle not at full draw.your right D but i've seen guys jerk a bow back and change the reading , I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a recurve draw cycle . either way the accuracy of those scales varies so a grain or two either way isn't my biggist concern. If your bow is set up with a accurate arrow and it's five grains light I'd just back it down a pound or two and or not worry about it .
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 01, 2013, 07:03:42 AM
yeah a agree with that.You can't overdraw and stack a scale. Peak draw weight is in the draw cycle not at full draw.your right D but i've seen guys jerk a bow back and change the reading , I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a recurve draw cycle . either way the accuracy of those scales varies so a grain or two either way isn't my biggist concern. If your bow is set up with a accurate arrow and it's five grains light I'd just back it down a pound or two and or not worry about it .
Post by: lucky33 on April 01, 2013, 04:36:56 PM
Post by: Stick em on April 01, 2013, 04:49:27 PM
Gold Tip. I had consistency problems with Bemans, switched to Gold Tips and haven't looked back.
All the arrows I have put through deer were Gold Tips. I like the xt hunters.
Post by: demontang on April 01, 2013, 10:17:30 PM
Im using the axis n fused and my arrow come In at 487gr at 30" , carbon hunter is 420gr at 29" and pro hunter come in at 398 at 30" , 30x gold tips hit 520grs at 29" All with 100gr heads.
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 02, 2013, 05:53:47 AM
Post by: demontang on April 02, 2013, 11:54:40 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 03, 2013, 08:10:45 AM