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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: elkoholic on October 02, 2008, 02:21:36 PM

Title: where does your meat come from?
Post by: elkoholic on October 02, 2008, 02:21:36 PM: I spoke with my sons kindy-teacher the other day and she said we needed to be careful what we say around him, apparently he told one of the other kids that we now have 3 pigs and we are going to kill them and eat them.. the teacher said we shouldn't tell him things like that!!! what a bunch of BS.. I asked her where her bacon came from ? he also talks about me hunting and killing deer. he has been around this kind of stuff his whole life so he knows how things work. the last few years he has been in charge of grinding every animal my family has harvested, he's pretty good at it too if we miss some fat or something he will throw it out and make us trim it up so it looks good.. he is 5 years old..
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Post by: DeKuma on October 02, 2008, 02:24:31 PM: I get it all the time too, but my kids understnad the circle of life and how it works. My 15 year old daughter really defends the right to hunt, my 7 year old step-son is getting better about it.

Congratulations for teaching them the way of life and to not be ashamed of it. The grinding cracked me up, I be he really gets after you if you make a mistake and do not trim enough huh?
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Post by: elkoholic on October 02, 2008, 02:31:33 PM: my daughter is going to be the same way .. we were cuuting up a deer the other day and she was so mad that she couldnt have a knife to help.. I treid to give her the sharpening rod but that only ticked her off more because it wouldnt cut the meat.. She is 1 1/2 .If only mom was that eager to get involved.....
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Post by: BC CHASER on October 02, 2008, 02:32:03 PM: I have twin nephews that are 6 now and when they graduated from Preschool they had to say what they wanted to be when they grew up. One said a police officer like his grandpa and the other said a hunter like my uncle BC CHASER. I guess the crowd had mixed reactions but who cares. When *censored* his the fan and you cannot buy food from a grocery store they will be the first to vanish!
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Post by: wastickslinger on October 02, 2008, 02:37:39 PM: I will never back down. And any teacher or anyone else who doesnt like what what my kids knows about hunting and butchering can kiss it where the sun dont shine. If those kind of peple could only see the happines the outdoors and hunting brings to all of our families they would think twice about their comments about not wanting to hear it. My 3 year old daughter practically does back flips when I bring something home (deer, shed, fish, whatever). I think its Great.
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Post by: NRA4LIFE on October 02, 2008, 02:39:03 PM: Wait, meat comes from the grocery store right?

Just kidding. My wife swears she cannot eat ground beef anymore. Tastes rotten to her she claims. We've been eating our ground venison solely now for close to 20 years.

I swear, one of my wife's friends will not acknowledge that meat comes from animals.
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Post by: Rhinoron247 on October 02, 2008, 02:44:15 PM: I would send your son with picks of the butchering process as "Show and Tell".

When my daughter was in 6th grade I had her do a report our on our Family Chicken Butcher day. I even sent her with a pair of feet.

It was met with the same type of response fromt he teachers and I told them to FO &D and get real and wake up to life.

She then took a trophy from her first kill a "porcupine foot" she had cut off and cured with Borax to school as show and tell the very next year. I was so proud of her. She is now a JR in High School and still packs that thing around. :yike:
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Post by: saylean on October 02, 2008, 02:48:39 PM: I'd also ask that teacher where her purse and shoes come from! Cram it with wallnuts in my opinion. My GF's boy, Haydin, who has recently become addicted to bear breakfast sausage always talks about going bear hunting, etc.

I can guarantee that he will be well versed in the ways of life and how it goes.

I'd tell her your just eating free range animals. ;)

Good for you and your boy, keep it up.

We had a creative writing story assignment when I was younger...I shot a rabbit and tanned the hide, making it the cover for the book, cause my story was about me being stranded on an island (it was my journal)...

the teacher didnt appreciate it.

my dad did. ;)
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Post by: waoutdoorsman on October 02, 2008, 02:49:41 PM: it only gets worse-wait till they hit college. dang tree huggers are everywhere
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Post by: wastickslinger on October 02, 2008, 02:52:32 PM: My teachers really use to love it when dad would take me out of school to go hunting for a week. I told one teacher that I learned alot more from my dad that week than anything she could have taught me. She didnt appreciate that either. But dang that was the truth.
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Post by: bow4elk on October 02, 2008, 02:58:38 PM: I think as parent's it's our duty to properly educate our children. My kids went through a curiosity phase of asking if certain animals have "meat" in them. That is how the brain develops. It's natural. Why are babies born with the instinct to put things in their mouths - it's to discover and learn about what is food and what is not.

My 1st grader goes to school with elk sausage in her lunchpail. She loves it and isn't shy sharing with her friends and explaining where it comes from. No teacher ridicule yet, but conferences are coming up soon at her school :)

Formative years are the most critical in getting children on the right path. They don't have to hunt, bait a hook, or even go hiking to enter adult life with the "right" way of thinking cemented in their minds. And there just ain't a damn thing wrong with teaching your kids reality!

I once saw a bumper sticker that read, "if we are not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?"
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Post by: WDFW-SUX on October 02, 2008, 03:01:41 PM: Quote
"if we are not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?"

:chuckle:
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Post by: NRA4LIFE on October 02, 2008, 03:21:37 PM: Yup, it's gods work. If he did not intend us to eat animals, he should not have made them out of meat. Reminds me of the old Far Side cartoon where the lions had just killed a "tofutabeast". They start eating it and one of them stands up and sys "Hey, What The..."
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Post by: demontang on October 02, 2008, 03:24:45 PM: I have heard this kind of thing from a few people when my buy talks about me hunting, some people need to pull there head out and look around a little. :twocents:
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Post by: 300rum on October 02, 2008, 03:27:32 PM: We had a full school assembly one time. Sitting in the bleachers, I looked up and saw Dad standing there in the doorway of the gym in full camo. He got me out of there at half-day and my shotgun and clothes were in the cab and I changed on the road and we nailed the geese that night. Talk about the bragging rights that I had, not one of the others boys' dads would have done that.

That wasn't the first or last time dad did that, just the first time where I could brag to the whole school, in front of all the teachers and the upper classmen. :IBCOOL: Thanks Dad.

I can't wait till my daughters get to school......Hookie! :chuckle:
Title: Re: where does your meat come from?
Post by: MuleySniper on October 02, 2008, 03:28:25 PM: Thats funny stickslinger... "I will never back down" :chuckle: Your wife has laid the hammer on you a few times if I remember correctly :chuckle: :chuckle:
MS
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Post by: wastickslinger on October 02, 2008, 05:08:21 PM: ok ok you caught me Sniper. My wife wears the pants around here. :chuckle: Good thing she feels the same way I do about all this, and to top it off she is a teacher. Shed much rather hear kids talk abut hunting and butchering critters that half the stuff she tells me about. :yike: fourth graders talk dirtier that truck drivers these days.
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Post by: robb92 on October 02, 2008, 05:15:15 PM: I had the same thing happen to me when my daughter was in 1st grade, teacher wasn't happy about her telling her friends at recess that she went out hunting with her dad the night before. Pretty much told the teacher that what happens at home doesn't have naything to do with school! Also told her to mind her own business and teach kids about math and reading and let me worry about teaching my kids the ways of being a sportsman.
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Post by: BC CHASER on October 02, 2008, 05:28:55 PM: That's the problem with a lot of teachers these days, they don't teach the subjects they teach their beliefs. Wonder why our kid's are having a tough time with the tests............. there you go. It is really bad at the H.S. and collage levels!
Title: Re: where does your meat come from?
Post by: cohoho on October 02, 2008, 05:56:06 PM: Big difference in the schools here versus AK. My son had a project once on the Lewis and Clarke, they had to make a note book for the traveling journal of sorts from made to look old paper and what ever cover they wanted, he did his from bear hide section he shot. Used a tanned section of the hide for the cover, I bet the teachers here would have crapped their selves if they saw it here and knew what material it was.... His outdoor adventure program through the school, they had to make their own fire and cook an egg to eat, 4th grade class too cool..... Here, I think he is being brain washed about hunting type stuff, he is losing interest in going this year....
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Post by: actionshooter on October 02, 2008, 06:51:04 PM: I had a problem with a teacher a couple of years ago who wanted to debate my daughter (6th grade) in front of the class, on hunting. A couple of calls to the principal put a stop to that. :o
I think some teachers truly don't care about teaching, they have anti everything agendas >:(
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Post by: alecvg on October 02, 2008, 07:15:04 PM: In 6th grade I wrote a poem in school, my teacher couldn't stop laughing, he made me read it to the class.
Here it is:

Some deer are nice and big; some are tiny and small
Some have big antlers, so lets shoot them all!

My teacher liked it.
Title: Re: where does your meat come from?
Post by: PolarBear on October 02, 2008, 07:39:41 PM: We hunt and raise our own beef. My girls have known what livestock and game animals are for and where our meat comes from since they were babies. Some of their friends think that it is cool but some who's parents are tree hugging hippies say that we are horrible, sadistic people. The kids who's parents dislike meat are also the ones who want to come over to see our cows and watch the deer and elk in the pastures. I guess they would rather hug than eat them. :dunno:
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Post by: Dslayer on October 02, 2008, 08:02:56 PM: Just got to say that I am a teacher. I have a 6 X 6 bull elk rack on my wall in my classroom. No one gives me any s*** about it. Of course, in Eastern Washington, where most people know where their food comes from, it's probably less of a problem.
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Post by: kramman on October 02, 2008, 09:20:38 PM: this is kind of funny something like this just happened to me today.went to my kids elem. scholl to inform them that my 2 boys mark[10] and logan[7] would not be in school from tomorrow until thurs. of next week because we are going muzzle. deer hunting.the sect. looked at me and excused herself to go get the principal. well the principal comes out and informs me that hunting is an unexcused absence.my response: well sir not everything you learn in this world is learned in a classroom and i turned around and walked out. kram
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Post by: BC CHASER on October 02, 2008, 09:26:12 PM: Quote from: kramman on October 02, 2008, 09:20:38 PM
this is kind of funny something like this just happened to me today.went to my kids elem. scholl to inform them that my 2 boys mark[10] and logan[7] would not be in school from tomorrow until thurs. of next week because we are going muzzle. deer hunting.the sect. looked at me and excused herself to go get the principal. well the principal comes out and informs me that hunting is an unexcused absence.my response: well sir not everything you learn in this world is learned in a classroom and i turned around and walked out. kram

Good for you man I like it!
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Post by: wastickslinger on October 02, 2008, 09:26:46 PM: :tup:
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Post by: Bean Counter on October 02, 2008, 10:00:50 PM: My wife keeps trying to stop me from doing things purely for shock value. If it were me, and I were to go against my better half on this one, I"d probably send the kid to school with some deer blood-stained clothing :chuckle:

... :bdid:
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Post by: norsepeak on October 02, 2008, 10:30:13 PM: It's interesting, you guys are all talking about issues with grade school and jr. high teachers not having a clue...well it doesn't get any better in college. I have a degree in wildlife biology, and in one of my UPPER level wildlife classes I had a proffessor who is the typical book worm geek....supper thick coke bottle glasses and the pocket protector....He told the class one day that large ungulates like cattle and elk and deer CANNOT feed on a slope greater than 30%. So growing up my whole life in the woods hunting etc. and going to WSU which is right above the snake river breaks (which are loaded with elk, deer and cattle and as you chukar hunters know is very steep!) I politely raised my hand. He called on me and I said "I believe that information is incorrect." He said " what do you mean?" Large ungulates are very capable of feeding on steep slopes..and again he disagreed. So I raised my hand again and said "WHAT" So I asked him if he had ever actually been outside before? Needless to say he didn't appriciate that and flunked me...so the next time I took his class when we got to that particular lecture...he skipped over the whole issue. So the take home message is raise your kids to know the difference between right and wrong, how the real world works, and the hunting is a way of life, a heritage that should be taught and passed down thru the generations. Be proud of being a hunter! That's how my kid will be raised.
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Post by: runningboard on October 02, 2008, 10:42:20 PM: Quote
large ungulates like cattle and elk and deer CANNOT feed on a slope greater than 30%.
That's why side-hill gulcher goats have legs that are longer on one side, so they can stand on steep slopes. just depends on which way they're standing though if they turn around the short legs will be on the downhill side and they fall!
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Post by: DeKuma on October 03, 2008, 07:20:49 AM: If they cannot feed on a 30 degree, then I would hate to see any thing steeper than this! Cause wher eI have seen them feed is SSSTTEEEPPP! If he is correct, then I cannot imagine a steeper angle!
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Post by: MichaelJ on October 03, 2008, 01:07:38 PM: Norsepeak is right... Here in Moscow its horrible about the hippies... My roommate is a cool dude and is part of a fraternity. Well he brings his buddies over and they all see my bear rug and are like "Hey man thats awesome!!! Is that a grizzly?" Pretty cool! Most of them are really nice dudes but damn if they aint uninformed...

Also some of them want to go shooting! Never been around a gun before so that could be risky... safety first!
The proffessors are the worst here though, don't even get me started on them!

Michael
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Post by: actionshooter on October 03, 2008, 05:33:51 PM: Quote from: MichaelJ on October 03, 2008, 01:07:38 PM
Norsepeak is right... Here in Moscow its horrible about the hippies... My roommate is a cool dude and is part of a fraternity. Well he brings his buddies over and they all see my bear rug and are like "Hey man thats awesome!!! Is that a grizzly?" Pretty cool! Most of them are really nice dudes but damn if they aint uninformed...

Also some of them want to go shooting! Never been around a gun before so that could be risky... safety first!
The proffessors are the worst here though, don't even get me started on them!

Michael

If there are guys who have never gone shooting, but want too, for gods sake take them!!! Thats what we need to preserve our rights!
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Post by: Lincoln4 on October 04, 2008, 09:33:41 AM: Quote from: kramman on October 02, 2008, 09:20:38 PM
this is kind of funny something like this just happened to me today.went to my kids elem. scholl to inform them that my 2 boys mark[10] and logan[7] would not be in school from tomorrow until thurs. of next week because we are going muzzle. deer hunting.the sect. looked at me and excused herself to go get the principal. well the principal comes out and informs me that hunting is an unexcused absence.my response: well sir not everything you learn in this world is learned in a classroom and i turned around and walked out. kram

That is :crap:. Sounds like someone needs to send an email to the principal requesting a prearranged absence (our district has a form to fill out in advance of the absence), mentioning the reason for the absence. Once the reply comes back, pay a visit to the superintendent. And politely ask how trips to Hawaii and Mexico can be exused, but not hunting... You could probably get them excused even after the fact if the principal denied it and you can show it was denied due to the nature of the trip... I've found our superintendent very pleasant to deal with on a couple of occasions after problems with a principal...
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Post by: Huntbear on October 05, 2008, 03:40:13 PM: It gets worse than that guys, had a buddy whose kid came home and said the teacher wanted drawings of what their house looked like inside. And to make sure you make a reference where your daddy keeps his guns!!!!! >:(

Needless to say, that teacher was chastised good and proper in the principal's office the next day.
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Post by: Dadsbirddog on October 06, 2008, 07:14:44 PM: My kids grew up with venison being a primary staple. My son once shot a robin with the new 22 lr I bought him and I made him take it home and cook it up. The moral being life is sacred and we only kill to eat and we never waste.. I was so proud to see how the lesson stuck when while out fishing silverlake w/my daughter a month ago she caught a fingerling bass and it swallowed the hook. She smacked it in the head pulled the hook and her new husband (city boy) went to chuck it in the lake. She gave him an earful and took her fish home fillet it out and cooked it up. Ive never been so proud.
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Post by: Dadsbirddog on October 08, 2008, 12:24:18 PM: Amazingly enough I am cancer patient and my Doctor has forbade me to eat beef or pork due to the high content of growth hormone and testosterone in factory farmed meat. He told me I can eat all the deer and elk that I wnt