Post by: Dirty Mike on April 04, 2013, 10:29:04 AM
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Post by: D-Rock425 on April 04, 2013, 10:53:57 AM
here we go again! :chuckle:that's what I was thinking at first too.
Post by: h20hunter on April 04, 2013, 10:56:26 AM
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Post by: JamesK. on April 04, 2013, 11:34:56 AM
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 11:44:18 AM
No really though..
My pins are set at 10-50 and i can atleast hit a target at my max pin.
Not sure how confident I am with shooting over 40 yards though for a good efficient kill. Gonna adjust to 20-60 soon. 10-20 yard pin should have no difference.
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 04, 2013, 11:45:35 AM
Post by: h20hunter on April 04, 2013, 11:48:38 AM
Post by: MLBowhunting on April 04, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
I know you can smossy :chuckle:Wonder if ill be able to fill my tags first year out!? :IBCOOL:
Post by: h20hunter on April 04, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
You better get 'er done.
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 11:53:02 AM
I have 7 pins on my sight. 20 -60 then a 80 and 100.Thats hott.
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 11:54:09 AM
We are expecting a WA trifecta: bear, elk, deer.Im 90% sure ill be able to tag a mulie and bear this year. Elk is the one im iffy about.
You better get 'er done.
Post by: h20hunter on April 04, 2013, 11:58:32 AM
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 12:02:58 PM
Smossy....as a newbie one thing I found that helps figure out my "hunting yardage" vs "range yardage" is to take a lap or two around the house. Get the heart pumping a bit, grab the bow, nock, draw, and loose one. Start close and work your way back to the porch. Also...being a gopro guy....make sure you shoot in practice with it if you plan to hunt with it. Keep it all the same.Good idea, I didnt think of anyway i could anticipate the rush when your in that "kill-zone" and ready to throw that arrow. So like practice shooting with my gopro on my head/chest?
Post by: whackmaster on April 04, 2013, 12:06:53 PM
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Post by: elk247 on April 04, 2013, 12:23:38 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 12:50:06 PM
Smossy i dont know if a bear will be easier than an elk. If you are just looking for meat then i think a elk would be much easier. Think of habitat. Muleys live in open country. Can be a difficult stalk with no cover. Bears can be in stuff so thick and tall that you can hear them but not have a shot. Elk on the otherhand are herd animals and tolerate noise to some degree. Scent will bust you, but about occasionaly you can get into a herd so close you can touch the elk. Belive me this gets the adrenalin going but makes it tough to draw. :twocents:Yee of little faith :) I WILLNOT sleep untill I get a bear..
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 04, 2013, 12:54:20 PM
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 04, 2013, 01:39:57 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 01:40:41 PM
Normal conditions I will limit myself to 60. Farthest I have put a first arrow into is 67 yards. I always pay the insurance even on a perfect shot. I have put 2 arrows into a lot of my animals and most of the time they are from 50-90 yards when they get the 2nd.Double Tap?
Post by: bullcanyon on April 04, 2013, 01:58:29 PM
Post by: demontang on April 04, 2013, 02:43:28 PM
Post by: JLS on April 04, 2013, 02:47:41 PM
Smossy....as a newbie one thing I found that helps figure out my "hunting yardage" vs "range yardage" is to take a lap or two around the house. Get the heart pumping a bit, grab the bow, nock, draw, and loose one. Start close and work your way back to the porch. Also...being a gopro guy....make sure you shoot in practice with it if you plan to hunt with it. Keep it all the same.Good idea, I didnt think of anyway i could anticipate the rush when your in that "kill-zone" and ready to throw that arrow. So like practice shooting with my gopro on my head/chest?
Do 25 burpees then get up and take a single shot at 45 yards.
Post by: Stick em on April 04, 2013, 02:53:24 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 02:57:46 PM
Im not mexican!Smossy....as a newbie one thing I found that helps figure out my "hunting yardage" vs "range yardage" is to take a lap or two around the house. Get the heart pumping a bit, grab the bow, nock, draw, and loose one. Start close and work your way back to the porch. Also...being a gopro guy....make sure you shoot in practice with it if you plan to hunt with it. Keep it all the same.Good idea, I didnt think of anyway i could anticipate the rush when your in that "kill-zone" and ready to throw that arrow. So like practice shooting with my gopro on my head/chest?
Do 25 burpees then get up and take a single shot at 45 yards.
Post by: elk247 on April 04, 2013, 03:15:38 PM
Nope, i belive in you. I can even take you out and almost gaurentee we'll see lots of bears. Kind of a drive for you but worth it!Smossy i dont know if a bear will be easier than an elk. If you are just looking for meat then i think a elk would be much easier. Think of habitat. Muleys live in open country. Can be a difficult stalk with no cover. Bears can be in stuff so thick and tall that you can hear them but not have a shot. Elk on the otherhand are herd animals and tolerate noise to some degree. Scent will bust you, but about occasionaly you can get into a herd so close you can touch the elk. Belive me this gets the adrenalin going but makes it tough to draw. :twocents:Yee of little faith :) I WILLNOT sleep untill I get a bear..
Post by: RadSav on April 04, 2013, 03:40:23 PM
I practice more or past 100yds than I do inside of it.
That's me as well. Makes that deer at 45 yards feel like a 2' putt. Since the OP didn't mention anything about hunting I'll say that I do have a 140 yard pin. But since it is in the "Bowhunting" section I'll say that every day, every animal and every different situation my max yardage is different. I am what "Duke" Savora called a "Threshold hunter". Which means I keep stalking closer until I break the threshold between "I think I can kill it" to "I know I can kill it". Some days I pass on a 30 yard shot and other days I kill them at double that.
I can tell you I have missed more shots under 40 yards than I have beyond 40. As once inside of 40 yards I tend to not listen to my inner voice as often and take shots before reaching that threshold. Figuring it's just too easy a shot to miss even if I haven't broken that confidence barrier. Once I do the proper thing and wait for it, regardless of yardage, I'm nearly 100%. And probably only short of 100% because of not seeing a branch or two in the arrows path.
Big Horns and Big Antlers really mess with the distance at which I reach that threshold. I never really feel as though I get buck fever. But when I've got a large buck in front of me I rarely ever break that threshold until inside 50 yards. Which really Soucks too as I usually spook those big ones somewhere between 65 and 50 yards.
If I were to set distance to shoot based upon my best arrow groupings I would only shoot at animals at 30 yards and 70 yards. My worst grouping are always at 40 and 50. I think it has something to do with my eyes. I tend to see the target and the pin best at 30 and 70 and shoot best at those distances as a result. But I know my chances of killing an animal are much greater at 45 and 50 than they are at 70. Even if the arrow groupings tell otherwise.
Practicing at long distance like 100 or 120 will really extend the point at which you regularly hit that threshold. If the animal is relaxed it could take you from a 40 yard max to a 50 or 60. If the animal is not relaxed I suggest keeping it under 30. And at times with an alert whitetail 15 might even be better!
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 04:10:47 PM
When you stalk them, how do you carry your bow? Like hands and knees crawling stalk....I practice more or past 100yds than I do inside of it.
That's me as well. Makes that deer at 45 yards feel like a 2' putt. Since the OP didn't mention anything about hunting I'll say that I do have a 140 yard pin. But since it is in the "Bowhunting" section I'll say that every day, every animal and every different situation my max yardage is different. I am what "Duke" Savora called a "Threshold hunter". Which means I keep stalking closer until I break the threshold between "I think I can kill it" to "I know I can kill it". Some days I pass on a 30 yard shot and other days I kill them at double that.
I can tell you I have missed more shots under 40 yards than I have beyond 40. As once inside of 40 yards I tend to not listen to my inner voice as often and take shots before reaching that threshold. Figuring it's just too easy a shot to miss even if I haven't broken that confidence barrier. Once I do the proper thing and wait for it, regardless of yardage, I'm nearly 100%. And probably only short of 100% because of not seeing a branch or two in the arrows path.
Big Horns and Big Antlers really mess with the distance at which I reach that threshold. I never really feel as though I get buck fever. But when I've got a large buck in front of me I rarely ever break that threshold until inside 50 yards. Which really Soucks too as I usually spook those big ones somewhere between 65 and 50 yards.
If I were to set distance to shoot based upon my best arrow groupings I would only shoot at animals at 30 yards and 70 yards. My worst grouping are always at 40 and 50. I think it has something to do with my eyes. I tend to see the target and the pin best at 30 and 70 and shoot best at those distances as a result. But I know my chances of killing an animal are much greater at 45 and 50 than they are at 70. Even if the arrow groupings tell otherwise.
Practicing at long distance like 100 or 120 will really extend the point at which you regularly hit that threshold. If the animal is relaxed it could take you from a 40 yard max to a 50 or 60. If the animal is not relaxed I suggest keeping it under 30. And at times with an alert whitetail 15 might even be better!
Post by: RadSav on April 04, 2013, 04:33:32 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on April 04, 2013, 04:38:21 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 04:46:50 PM
depends on amount of cover and terraine. Open country muledeer usually means lots of crawling with bow pushed out in front. Elk and blacktails you can usually stalk by walking. Every situation is different. I never go into a stalk without my bow in my hand. Spotting the bow is usually on my back. But that's probably a thread all it's own.Welp start it up!
I have a nice primo sling I want to get some use out of.
Post by: christopheri on April 04, 2013, 05:01:29 PM
depends on amount of cover and terraine. Open country muledeer usually means lots of crawling with bow pushed out in front. Elk and blacktails you can usually stalk by walking. Every situation is different. I never go into a stalk without my bow in my hand. Spotting the bow is usually on my back. But that's probably a thread all it's own.Welp start it up!
I have a nice primo sling I want to get some use out of.
I use a primo sling also. Hunting elk it is a must in my opinion. It is alot quicker to get to my bow if needed than to try to drop my pack and un strap my bow.
Longest shot I will take were I hunt is 40 yards.
Post by: Smossy on April 04, 2013, 05:02:22 PM
Exactly what I was thinking.depends on amount of cover and terraine. Open country muledeer usually means lots of crawling with bow pushed out in front. Elk and blacktails you can usually stalk by walking. Every situation is different. I never go into a stalk without my bow in my hand. Spotting the bow is usually on my back. But that's probably a thread all it's own.Welp start it up!
I have a nice primo sling I want to get some use out of.
I use a primo sling also. Hunting elk it is a must in my opinion. It is alot quicker to get to my bow if needed than to try to drop my pack and un strap my bow.
Longest shot I will take were I hunt is 40 yards.
Post by: throttlejocky20 on April 04, 2013, 05:09:04 PM
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 04, 2013, 05:26:10 PM
Normal conditions I will limit myself to 60. Farthest I have put a first arrow into is 67 yards. I always pay the insurance even on a perfect shot. I have put 2 arrows into a lot of my animals and most of the time they are from 50-90 yards when they get the 2nd.Double Tap?
Yes :tup:
Post by: kentrek on April 04, 2013, 05:45:19 PM
Normal conditions I will limit myself to 60. Farthest I have put a first arrow into is 67 yards. I always pay the insurance even on a perfect shot. I have put 2 arrows into a lot of my animals and most of the time they are from 50-90 yards when they get the 2nd.Double Tap?
Yes :tup:
kinda off topic...but have you ever passed on the 2nd shot cuz you thought it might do more harm then good ??? as in you know you hit em hard the first time but didnt wana spook em anymore ???
the only elk ive ever lost i sorta cant help but think me putting a bad 2nd shot (nothing but guts at 75 yards) pushed that elk further away to where i then couldnt ever recover it
Post by: jstone on April 04, 2013, 05:53:41 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on April 04, 2013, 06:08:50 PM
Normal conditions I will limit myself to 60. Farthest I have put a first arrow into is 67 yards. I always pay the insurance even on a perfect shot. I have put 2 arrows into a lot of my animals and most of the time they are from 50-90 yards when they get the 2nd.Double Tap?
Yes :tup:
kinda off topic...but have you ever passed on the 2nd shot cuz you thought it might do more harm then good ??? as in you know you hit em hard the first time but didnt wana spook em anymore ???
the only elk ive ever lost i sorta cant help but think me putting a bad 2nd shot (nothing but guts at 75 yards) pushed that elk further away to where i then couldnt ever recover it
I can't speak for Carp, but I personally have never passed up any chance at a second shot.
I "double tapped" two different bulls last year. One I put both in the lungs and the other was in the lungs and then follow up in the rump.. If they are still standing I'm still shooting! :twocents:
Post by: Johnb317 on April 04, 2013, 06:10:26 PM
First Elk was uphill and I was on my knees... 35 yards. Last Elk I got.... 5 yards maybe a spear?
60 is my max if all conditions are right..... wind? range the distance? a lot can happen between the time you release and the arrow gets to the animal.
I'm shooting about 260-280 ft/sec .... have to figure in 6 grs / lb bow pull yada yada yada
Post by: kentrek on April 04, 2013, 06:15:20 PM
Normal conditions I will limit myself to 60. Farthest I have put a first arrow into is 67 yards. I always pay the insurance even on a perfect shot. I have put 2 arrows into a lot of my animals and most of the time they are from 50-90 yards when they get the 2nd.Double Tap?
Yes :tup:
kinda off topic...but have you ever passed on the 2nd shot cuz you thought it might do more harm then good ??? as in you know you hit em hard the first time but didnt wana spook em anymore ???
the only elk ive ever lost i sorta cant help but think me putting a bad 2nd shot (nothing but guts at 75 yards) pushed that elk further away to where i then couldnt ever recover it
I can't speak for Carp, but I personally have never passed up any chance at a second shot.
I "double tapped" two different bulls last year. One I put both in the lungs and the other was in the lungs and then follow up in the rump.. If they are still standing I'm still shooting! :twocents:
yes thats always been my thoughts too...and still is, just need to get my confidence back up at the longer ranges...that story was three years ago lol...
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 04, 2013, 06:18:37 PM
Normal conditions I will limit myself to 60. Farthest I have put a first arrow into is 67 yards. I always pay the insurance even on a perfect shot. I have put 2 arrows into a lot of my animals and most of the time they are from 50-90 yards when they get the 2nd.Double Tap?
Yes :tup:
kinda off topic...but have you ever passed on the 2nd shot cuz you thought it might do more harm then good ??? as in you know you hit em hard the first time but didnt wana spook em anymore ???
the only elk ive ever lost i sorta cant help but think me putting a bad 2nd shot (nothing but guts at 75 yards) pushed that elk further away to where i then couldnt ever recover it
I can't speak for Carp, but I personally have never passed up any chance at a second shot.
I "double tapped" two different bulls last year. One I put both in the lungs and the other was in the lungs and then follow up in the rump.. If they are still standing I'm still shooting! :twocents:
x2 If the animal still has it feet under it I will stick as many arrows in it as I can. I have never felt like I did more harm then good. It has always been a insurance for me. Once I put a arrow in the animal I want it down asap. I don't care if it's standing there walking away or even running. If I can shoot another arrow I will, not like my bow going off should really spook them more then my arrow already in it's side :chuckle:
I put 3 arrows into a big new Zealand boar. Shot him at 15 yards and hit him high lungs. Knocked another arrow and drilled him on the run at 80-90 yards. Luck more then anything and then he went and brushed up. I ran down and put another threw his heart and he still went 20-30 yards with 2 lung shots and a heart shot. They are tuff sob's
Last thing I ever want is to shoot a animal and have another chance to put a arrows in it. Only to let it walk away and not be able to find it. Then be left with that "I should have shot again" feeling.
Post by: alwinearcher on April 04, 2013, 06:24:46 PM
I would also say I have missed more close shots then long ones. Normally if I'm taking a longer shot I am more patient and paying more attention to all the elements of the shot.I practice more or past 100yds than I do inside of it.
That's me as well. Makes that deer at 45 yards feel like a 2' putt. Since the OP didn't mention anything about hunting I'll say that I do have a 140 yard pin. But since it is in the "Bowhunting" section I'll say that every day, every animal and every different situation my max yardage is different. I am what "Duke" Savora called a "Threshold hunter". Which means I keep stalking closer until I break the threshold between "I think I can kill it" to "I know I can kill it". Some days I pass on a 30 yard shot and other days I kill them at double that.
I can tell you I have missed more shots under 40 yards than I have beyond 40. As once inside of 40 yards I tend to not listen to my inner voice as often and take shots before reaching that threshold. Figuring it's just too easy a shot to miss even if I haven't broken that confidence barrier. Once I do the proper thing and wait for it, regardless of yardage, I'm nearly 100%. And probably only short of 100% because of not seeing a branch or two in the arrows path.
Big Horns and Big Antlers really mess with the distance at which I reach that threshold. I never really feel as though I get buck fever. But when I've got a large buck in front of me I rarely ever break that threshold until inside 50 yards. Which really Soucks too as I usually spook those big ones somewhere between 65 and 50 yards.
If I were to set distance to shoot based upon my best arrow groupings I would only shoot at animals at 30 yards and 70 yards. My worst grouping are always at 40 and 50. I think it has something to do with my eyes. I tend to see the target and the pin best at 30 and 70 and shoot best at those distances as a result. But I know my chances of killing an animal are much greater at 45 and 50 than they are at 70. Even if the arrow groupings tell otherwise.
Practicing at long distance like 100 or 120 will really extend the point at which you regularly hit that threshold. If the animal is relaxed it could take you from a 40 yard max to a 50 or 60. If the animal is not relaxed I suggest keeping it under 30. And at times with an alert whitetail 15 might even be better!
Your comments about good groups at 30 and 70 interest me..
Do you shoot a single pin sight or multiple pins?
Post by: Bean Counter on April 04, 2013, 06:31:05 PM
I can't speak for Carp, but I personally have never passed up any chance at a second shot.
I "double tapped" two different bulls last year. One I put both in the lungs and the other was in the lungs and then follow up in the rump.. If they are still standing I'm still shooting! :twocents:
good philosophy for game and bad guys alike! :tup:
Post by: RadSav on April 04, 2013, 06:34:31 PM
Your comments about good groups at 30 and 70 interest me..
Do you shoot a single pin sight or multiple pins?
Both. Depends on bow and conditions. While in a blind I'm always shooting a single pin. When we could actually shoot bulls on the east side I always shot a single pin regardless. In heavier brush I like a multiple pin as it's easier to determine if I'm going to hit a branch or not. I'm much less likely to have a target panic issue when shooting a single pin so I do like them better in most instances. Favorite on the wet side is a three pin slider.
Post by: Axle on April 04, 2013, 07:11:20 PM
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here we go again!
Yep, I've got dibs on riding shotgun (ooops, page 3 and I'm too late).
Some of us are good at long distance shots and some of us are lousy at long distance shots. Rifle, pistol, or bow - I'm normally good when it counts but I think it's due to concentration and the desire to have quality meat in the freezer. My stomach normally tells me what distance will work.
Post by: DoubleJ on April 04, 2013, 08:01:53 PM
3 deer (2 blacktail and 1 mulie)
3 shots
first deer was a blacktail at 10 yards
second was a blacktail at 5-7 yards
third was a mulie at 20 yards
I have 20, 30, 40, and 50 yard pins but, only pulling 49lbs of draw weight, I wouldn't shoot at an animal further out than 40 yards. RadSav told me "1 yard of distance per pound of draw weight" but, I just feel like too much could go wrong in the time it takes my arrow to cover 50 yards and I'm not 100% confident at that distance
Post by: sakoshooter on April 04, 2013, 08:19:11 PM
I did shoot my longest shot on a spike whitetail bedded across a frozen swamp in Dec in WI at 65 paces. 45# Groves Spitfire Magnum recurve. Instinctive.
Like I read earlier in this post: Practice long shots and the short shots are easy.
Post by: mountainman on April 04, 2013, 08:56:45 PM
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On game confident to 100 under "ideal" conditions...but will always try to get under 50. That is the challenge and why we choose to bowhunt!
Post by: alwinearcher on April 04, 2013, 11:54:03 PM
Your comments about good groups at 30 and 70 interest me..
Do you shoot a single pin sight or multiple pins?
Both. Depends on bow and conditions. While in a blind I'm always shooting a single pin. When we could actually shoot bulls on the east side I always shot a single pin regardless. In heavier brush I like a multiple pin as it's easier to determine if I'm going to hit a branch or not. I'm much less likely to have a target panic issue when shooting a single pin so I do like them better in most instances. Favorite on the wet side is a three pin slider.
10-4.
I was just curious when you mentions good groups at certain yardages.
I have seen it a lot where guys have multiple colors of pins and struggle to shoot with their red or yellow pins.
Post by: RadSav on April 05, 2013, 01:15:48 AM
10-4.
I was just curious when you mentions good groups at certain yardages.
I have seen it a lot where guys have multiple colors of pins and struggle to shoot with their red or yellow pins.
Color doesn't seem to make much of a difference to me unless I'm shooting a Vegas face. Only colors I do not like are blue and black.
Before I got glasses I did have some problems with red as I always had ghost images of the pins. In that case I always had to choose the brighter one to know which was the "Real" pin. On red I could not tell brightest from the others. Now with glasses I only see the one pin so no more picking and choosing which of the three or four pins is the real one. Try shooting a seven pin sight when there are three to four ghost pins for each :yike: I hate glasses, but I do shoot one heck of a bit better now that I have them. And I suffer with target panic very few days a year now.
Post by: ZB-ARCHERY on April 05, 2013, 09:24:44 AM
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I too have far from perfect vision I'd recommend try contacts over glasses if you have never worn them they are a pain at first :yike:. Not having to worry about having your glasses fog, fall off etc. is well worth the initial discomfort, but contacts are more money I always take my glasses as a back up tho cause if you lose a contact there goes your day :bash: learned that the hard way.
Post by: Dirty Mike on April 06, 2013, 09:04:48 AM
Post by: earlmarne on April 06, 2013, 09:33:42 AM
i have only harvested one deer with my bow and it was around 8 yards.i will always stack the chips in favor of the most perfect shot i can make,and get as close as possible.that said though,under ideal conditions i would have no issues with letting an arrow fly at 60 yards.i have loosed many arrows at this range and over and feel completely confident in my equipment and abilities.
i have yet to encounter such a situation and do not know if i ever will.but i am practiced and confident if it ever is presented