Post by: 308ME on April 06, 2013, 06:45:49 PM
Break into my home and you'll be lucky to get out with only 5 holes in you. As for the rest of the underlying issue here everyone need to remember that guns do not kill people, people kill people just like a drunk in a car kills people no difference. People die at the hands of other people every day the tool that dose the killing is up to the person be it either a car, club or gun the item used is harmless without a person controlling it. Outlawing guns is not the answer if you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have them. Figuring out how to keep guns out of the hands of outlaws is. :gun: :yeah:
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on April 06, 2013, 06:47:28 PM
Post by: rtspring on April 06, 2013, 06:51:50 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 07:08:04 PM
I agree. All the people who are saying that their stuff isnt worth someones life should post their address. The criminals would be better off going there than my house.:yeah: :tup: :tup:
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on April 06, 2013, 07:13:27 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 06, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 06, 2013, 07:31:33 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 06, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
Post by: rtspring on April 06, 2013, 07:38:01 PM
Post by: Turner89 on April 06, 2013, 07:45:31 PM
Post by: Jingles on April 06, 2013, 07:50:27 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 06, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
Have said it before and will say it again that's what the 2 handguns picked up off the streets back east are for the SOB that came into my house was armed and showed a gun and I don't give a rats Butt what his intentions were Police found a loaded 38 in his possession
So you'll plant a gun on the guy?
Post by: snowpack on April 06, 2013, 07:58:50 PM
How do "we" know that when they bust the door down , that all they want is the tv?not taking that Chance!:yeah: If someone has broken through a locked door to get into my place, my assumption is that they are there to harm. They may have wanted a TV, but do they want to leave someone that can identify them? Likely not, so they are probably going to want to kill you.
Post by: MLHSN on April 06, 2013, 08:02:58 PM
Now flame away.
No flaming necessary, Jackelope. I can agree and disagree alike in the same post. Sure my t.v. or anything inanimate in my house isn't worth another soul. I get it. On the other side, maybe that person will keep breaking into houses until they themselves kill someone. Who knows? Maybe I'm saving someone's life in the future. I'm closer to the category of "I'd rather be tried by nine, then carried by six."
Maybe you are right, Jackelope, "Can't help but wonder if threads like this aren't started as a form of c___ measuring contest. "
Sometimes it is a way of feeling manly. For me it's just a matter of fact. What happens, happens. I can honestly say I won't loose any sleep at night if it's just me. That damage has already be done. The way I see it, if something bad happens, they killed themselves when they broke into my house. What makes me think twice now are kids. I couldn't sleep now knowing my kids might be very upset with seeing something no three year old should see. If you would have caught me when I was single, there would have been no question. Now, I would give someone the selective chance to leave my house.
I will say, to those that think they are tough stuff, you never know how you will react. It doesn't matter how much practice or training you have had. It's never a natural item and you will think about it.
I remember freezing once. Everything happened in slow motion and I froze from the second I heard two RPG's fired to the second they hit the concrete wall behind me. I thought for sure I was dead and didn't move an inch. I wish to this day I had reacted. I always wondered if those two guys, who got away, killed another American later on. I can honestly say I never froze again after that.
Just some food for thought for those who say they will instantly pull the trigger without a shadow of a doubt. Unless you have been there, it's not natural, and you might or might not be happy with yourself afterwards.
Post by: Sliverslinger on April 06, 2013, 08:07:38 PM
Have said it before and will say it again that's what the 2 handguns picked up off the streets back east are for the SOB that came into my house was armed and showed a gun and I don't give a rats Butt what his intentions were Police found a loaded 38 in his possession
Definitely not something I would post on a public forum. In the tragic event that something like this happened to you some day, every aspect of your life will be under scrutiny by the law or the bad guys attorney. Imagine the deflated feeling you'd have... Now Mister Jingles, on April 6, 2013, did you or did you not say........
Post by: snowpack on April 06, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
So now he has to get something other than a 38. ;)Have said it before and will say it again that's what the 2 handguns picked up off the streets back east are for the SOB that came into my house was armed and showed a gun and I don't give a rats Butt what his intentions were Police found a loaded 38 in his possession
Definitely not something I would post on a public forum. In the tragic event that something like this happened to you some day, every aspect of your life will be under scrutiny by the law or the bad guys attorney. Imagine the deflated feeling you'd have... Now Mister Jingles, on April 6, 2013, did you or did you not say........
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 06, 2013, 08:11:11 PM
If it is to you, that is your choice but my TV is not worth the legal and emotion battles I will face if I shoot someone for reasons other than being in imminent danger.im not interested in finding out why an uninvited intruder is in my house. :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on April 06, 2013, 08:12:17 PM
The manly man thread thing throws me off. It's kinda like getting on a forum like this and starting a thread to tell someone how many guns that person has or how big their truck is or whatever. Who cares?? Are we supposed to be impressed?
Post by: jackelope on April 06, 2013, 08:13:04 PM
And Did you or did you not shoot an unarmed man?Have said it before and will say it again that's what the 2 handguns picked up off the streets back east are for the SOB that came into my house was armed and showed a gun and I don't give a rats Butt what his intentions were Police found a loaded 38 in his possession
Definitely not something I would post on a public forum. In the tragic event that something like this happened to you some day, every aspect of your life will be under scrutiny by the law or the bad guys attorney. Imagine the deflated feeling you'd have... Now Mister Jingles, on April 6, 2013, did you or did you not say........
Post by: hughjorgan on April 06, 2013, 08:13:45 PM
Post by: csaaphill on April 06, 2013, 09:24:04 PM
Post by: csaaphill on April 06, 2013, 10:06:34 PM
"i did what I had to do to stop his aggressive behaviour" and "i was afraid for my life".you had to stop someone one time? glad your all right then
ya having to defend yourself would be scary as hell I bet.
Post by: Bob33 on April 06, 2013, 10:28:55 PM
http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/jan/29/vancouver-police-prowler-shot-killed-northeast-van/ (http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/jan/29/vancouver-police-prowler-shot-killed-northeast-van/)
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 06, 2013, 11:07:30 PM
Go ahead and shoot the prowler. Just make sure you have a good attorney, and a bank account to pay for your defense.well that guy is a moron for shooting him OUTSIDE his residence. however later in the article it does mention that an intruder was shot INSIDE someones house and they were not charged with any crimes.
http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/jan/29/vancouver-police-prowler-shot-killed-northeast-van/ (http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/jan/29/vancouver-police-prowler-shot-killed-northeast-van/)
Post by: washelkhunter on April 07, 2013, 12:08:58 AM
Post by: bearpaw on April 07, 2013, 12:26:15 AM
Hopefully I never have to take a human life, I also hope I never have to make the decision, I am afraid that if someone is in my home and I feel my family or myself is threatened, that I might react in an attempt to protect. The last home invaders I know of in Stevens County ended up taking the life of the man who tried to help them. There has been a rash of burglaries lately, several people I know have been robbed, people are starting to watch closer, sooner or later the robbers are going to rob the wrong person and it will be the end of their robbing career.
Post by: Fishmasterdan on April 07, 2013, 06:39:45 AM
If it is to you, that is your choice but my TV is not worth the legal and emotion battles I will face if I shoot someone for reasons other than being in imminent danger.
How many times of getting robbed will it take to change your mind?? What would happen if you let some dirt bag go and they went to your moms house who was 70 years old and robbed and beat her?? Sorry but home invaders should be shot ON SITE. If these things happend to you I am sure you would change your mind. The main problem is, the current laws and enforcement doesnt care about buglaries. They tell you thats what insurance if for. I am for smith and wesson insurance. You kill one you protect hundreds of other people.
Post by: Crunchy on April 07, 2013, 06:35:44 PM
I've seen first hand how killing another human being can have an effect on someone. It isn't as easy as you think.
Post by: Bob33 on April 07, 2013, 07:32:09 PM
"It's acceptable to use deadly force in this state when you are in fear of grave bodily harm or death," Workman said. "It's not acceptable to use lethal force when it comes to property. If somebody's just trotting out your front door with a television set, let the police handle that."
Post by: JLS on April 07, 2013, 07:35:09 PM
Go ahead and shoot the prowler. Just make sure you have a good attorney, and a bank account to pay for your defense.well that guy is a moron for shooting him OUTSIDE his residence. however later in the article it does mention that an intruder was shot INSIDE someones house and they were not charged with any crimes.
http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/jan/29/vancouver-police-prowler-shot-killed-northeast-van/ (http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/jan/29/vancouver-police-prowler-shot-killed-northeast-van/)
Justifiable use of lethal force does not depend on whether or not the person is inside of your home.
Post by: 300rum on April 07, 2013, 07:45:06 PM
I don't know how it can be more simple, but I guess it isn't?
There was a case in Mabton Washington, maybe 20 or more years ago where a women shot and killed a guy breaking into her car to steal a stereo. I don't know how the state can go after someone for murder if it says it in the RCW itself!
Post by: jackelope on April 07, 2013, 08:11:42 PM
Dont matter if he died outside. Just drag his corpse, or soon to be back inside where he will be found by the lawfull authorities. Remember; the police are reactive NOT proactive. As long as they're in your house; you are golden.
:chuckle:
Just make sure the bad guy doesn't leave any blood outside where you shot him and clean up all the drag marks. You're sure to be fine.
Post by: Bob33 on April 07, 2013, 08:27:13 PM
Why stop at homicide when you can easily add tampering with evidence to the charges?Dont matter if he died outside. Just drag his corpse, or soon to be back inside where he will be found by the lawfull authorities. Remember; the police are reactive NOT proactive. As long as they're in your house; you are golden.
:chuckle:
Just make sure the bad guy doesn't leave any blood outside where you shot him and clean up all the drag marks. You're sure to be fine.
Post by: Smossy on April 07, 2013, 08:44:29 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 07, 2013, 08:50:53 PM
If you believe the person in your home poses a serious threat, no one is disputing that deadly force is justifiable.
Post by: Smossy on April 07, 2013, 08:59:07 PM
"Theyre there to take whats yours and or hurt you and your family."Stranger in my home = damage is going to be done to that person. If i have to be prosecuted for that. So be it.
If you believe the person in your home poses a serious threat, no one is disputing that deadly force is justifiable.
Post by: JLS on April 07, 2013, 09:03:56 PM
Why stop at homicide when you can easily add tampering with evidence to the charges?Dont matter if he died outside. Just drag his corpse, or soon to be back inside where he will be found by the lawfull authorities. Remember; the police are reactive NOT proactive. As long as they're in your house; you are golden.
:chuckle:
Just make sure the bad guy doesn't leave any blood outside where you shot him and clean up all the drag marks. You're sure to be fine.
Go for the trifecta and get some witness intimidation :o
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 07, 2013, 09:13:30 PM
"Theyre there to take whats yours and or hurt you and your family."Stranger in my home = damage is going to be done to that person. If i have to be prosecuted for that. So be it.
If you believe the person in your home poses a serious threat, no one is disputing that deadly force is justifiable.
:yeah:
Post by: jackelope on April 07, 2013, 09:45:28 PM
Since when does someone committing a B&E come in with a list of what they want? You guys talking about "oh well if they just want a tv let them go" give me a break Im glad Im no part of your family because thats not very reasuring. If someone is going to put forth effort knowing the crime that they are committing by not just coming into my home, but breaking into my home. Im going to figure that persons not there to come give you a hug. Theyre there to take whats yours and or hurt you and your family. Everyone knows I dont have a gun and thank god I dont because Im not going to let that person sit around to ask questions "hey bro just seen the windows open, wheres your tv". Ive got a nice 32" suger cane machette sitting next to my bed and a baseball bat by the front door and that person better pray to theyre maker the second they step foot into my home because your not gonna got shot, your more than likely going to get a limb or two removed. Give you something to remember me by. Thanks and have a nice day.It was more a matter of the point of the thread to me. Like some folks trying to portray how much a B.A. dude they were by advertising the fact they'd shoot somebody. Like I said in my 1st post. I have a hard time with the fact that people seem to think it would be so easy to shoot someone. Don't get me wrong...if someone comes in my house, they're going to get what's coming. I will do what I have to do to protect my family. I just don't think it is so easy to shoot and kill someone....nevermind the other comments. I think we've seen in this thread that 1 guy would go so far as to plant a firearm on the dead bad guy and another guy would drag the dead bad guy inside so as to present a "justified" shoot.
Post by: JLS on April 07, 2013, 09:54:05 PM
Life is not black and white, with very few exceptions, neither is use of lethal force no matter how hard we try and make it such.
Post by: Smossy on April 07, 2013, 10:46:57 PM
Lol I missed the part about planting a firearm on someone. Thats a biggg nono.Since when does someone committing a B&E come in with a list of what they want? You guys talking about "oh well if they just want a tv let them go" give me a break Im glad Im no part of your family because thats not very reasuring. If someone is going to put forth effort knowing the crime that they are committing by not just coming into my home, but breaking into my home. Im going to figure that persons not there to come give you a hug. Theyre there to take whats yours and or hurt you and your family. Everyone knows I dont have a gun and thank god I dont because Im not going to let that person sit around to ask questions "hey bro just seen the windows open, wheres your tv". Ive got a nice 32" suger cane machette sitting next to my bed and a baseball bat by the front door and that person better pray to theyre maker the second they step foot into my home because your not gonna got shot, your more than likely going to get a limb or two removed. Give you something to remember me by. Thanks and have a nice day.It was more a matter of the point of the thread to me. Like some folks trying to portray how much a B.A. dude they were by advertising the fact they'd shoot somebody. Like I said in my 1st post. I have a hard time with the fact that people seem to think it would be so easy to shoot someone. Don't get me wrong...if someone comes in my house, they're going to get what's coming. I will do what I have to do to protect my family. I just don't think it is so easy to shoot and kill someone....nevermind the other comments. I think we've seen in this thread that 1 guy would go so far as to plant a firearm on the dead bad guy and another guy would drag the dead bad guy inside so as to present a "justified" shoot.