Post by: WSU on April 10, 2013, 11:45:34 AM
My idea is to get something that my wife can practice with at home and that I can have fun with. I should add that I want open sights.
Post by: CP on April 10, 2013, 12:10:06 PM
Post by: mossy8352 on April 10, 2013, 12:18:49 PM
Take a look at the Gamo Hornet:yeah:
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Post by: Kola16 on April 10, 2013, 12:47:08 PM
Post by: Fishstiq on April 10, 2013, 01:17:33 PM
Good info here... http://www.airgunadvice.net/viewforum.php?f=12 (http://www.airgunadvice.net/viewforum.php?f=12)
Post by: Smossy on April 10, 2013, 02:54:17 PM
I'd like to buy an air gun. I don't want a daisy or other POS, but I also don't want to spend $300 on a bb gun. Anyone know of a good gun in the $100 range?Gamo Whisper is the best bang for the buck as far as Im concerned.
My idea is to get something that my wife can practice with at home and that I can have fun with. I should add that I want open sights.
.177: 1200 fps with PBA, 1000 fps with lead .22 - 950 fps with PBA, 750 fps with lead
But the Daisy 880 is one of the best as far as cheap goes. Ive got one at my girls thats all nice and rusty, and I still have NO problem destroying eggs on the fence at 30yards with the iron site.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on April 10, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
Add a longer barrel and a shoulder stock, and you would have a decent carbine setup for rifle-type practice. The triggers may not be the best, but the platform is almost infinitely customizable.
You should be able to get into one with a steel breach (which allows for solid scope mounting), quality (Williams) adjustable rear sight, and perhaps some nice wood grips (depends) for less than about $200, and less than about $300 if you add a longer and/or higher quality barrel, shoulder stock and a decent supply of pellets and CO2 cartridges.
Don't discount CO2 at least for practice, because for plinking and target practice, pumping or cocking gets old quick and could be a downer for a new shooter. For < $300, PCP are pretty much not an option.
Check out Pyramyd Air for a decent selection and excellent service.
Post by: WSU on April 10, 2013, 03:02:12 PM
Higher reviews than the Gamo Whisper and shoots harder. Anyone tried one?
Post by: Smossy on April 10, 2013, 03:04:02 PM
Check out the Crosman website. Specific recommendation would be a Crosman 2240 (CO2 pistol), which is pretty good for pistol practice. The 2300T and 2300 S are more spendy, but they have some upgrades over the base models. Also check out their customization utility that allows you to build on this basic platform.I disagree, Break Barrel's are the best. CO2 leave for inconsistent shooting groups. The psi in the canister will change every shot, Getting weaker and weaker and weaker. Break Barrel you never have to "Pay for air" and Its 100% consistent and very powerful.
Add a longer barrel and a shoulder stock, and you would have a decent carbine setup for rifle-type practice. The triggers may not be the best, but the platform is almost infinitely customizable.
You should be able to get into one with a steel breach (which allows for solid scope mounting), quality (Williams) adjustable rear sight, and perhaps some nice wood grips (depends) for less than about $200, and less than about $300 if you add a longer and/or higher quality barrel, shoulder stock and a decent supply of pellets and CO2 cartridges.
Don't discount CO2 at least for practice, because for plinking and target practice, pumping or cocking gets old quick and could be a downer for a new shooter. For < $300, PCP are pretty much not an option.
Check out Pyramyd Air for a decent selection and excellent service.
But he is right about the Crosman website. They have some amazing products on there. Thats where I started looking for my big bore rifles. Benjamin Rogue .357 for example. Very nice product. Spendy though at $1400. Can drop a 2000lb Bison no problem.
Post by: Smossy on April 10, 2013, 03:05:03 PM
I was thinking of this gun: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Airguns-Airsoft/Air-Rifles%7C/pc/104792580/c/104690880/sc/104185980/Rugerreg-AirHawk-177-cal-Air-Rifle/909448.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshooting-airguns-airsoft-air-rifles%2F_%2FN-1100283%2B10000051%2FNe-10000051%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BMMcat104792580%253Bcat104690880%26WTz_st%3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNU&WTz_l=SBC%3BMMcat104792580%3Bcat104690880%3Bcat104185980 (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Airguns-Airsoft/Air-Rifles%7C/pc/104792580/c/104690880/sc/104185980/Rugerreg-AirHawk-177-cal-Air-Rifle/909448.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshooting-airguns-airsoft-air-rifles%2F_%2FN-1100283%2B10000051%2FNe-10000051%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253BMMcat104792580%253Bcat104690880%26WTz_st%3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNU&WTz_l=SBC%3BMMcat104792580%3Bcat104690880%3Bcat104185980)Thats a great gun as long as your ok sticking with the .177 Caliber. I personally like the .22 with PBA's
Higher reviews than the Gamo Whisper and shoots harder. Anyone tried one?
Ive never shot it personally but I know a buddy that has one and he has no problem plinking small critters with it.
Done alot of window shopping and research as far as air rifles go being as my background allows for me to not own firearms. So Air Rifles are my "Guns", and they are lots of fun. and Cheap to shoot :tup: Big Plus.
Post by: WSU on April 10, 2013, 03:13:20 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 10, 2013, 03:19:18 PM
I don't need .22. I don't really plan to shoot any critters with it, and .177 should kill a beer can as good as .22! I just want to make sure the gun is reasonably accurate and won't fall apart.If thats all your after, I absolutely say a Daisy' Powerline 880. Cant go wrong with it. Just requires pumping. I kill eggs alllllllll the time with mine and its over 40 years old.
I know you said you dont want one but I wouldnt see why, Thats a great product.
Post by: WSU on April 10, 2013, 03:30:01 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 10, 2013, 03:35:21 PM
I had one growing up that was great. I bought one later in life and it was a POS. That's actually what prompted the thread.They changed some of the plastic that they used over the years because china makes them now I think, go figure.
I just checked a few of my air rifle sources and for a really cheap price and what your looking for "better quality"
Im now going to say try the The Crosman 2100.
The Crosman 2100 is a multi-pump pneumatic air rifle. It was known as the Crosman 766 back in the day. The gun is assemble in the United States, and is made from parts both foreign and domestic.
Here are the Manufacturer's specs for the gun:
Power Source: Pneumatic pump action
Mechanism: Bolt Action
Caliber: .177
Ammunition: Airgun Pellet / Steel Shot BB
Magazine: 18 BB's
Reservoir: 200 BB's (located in the Pistol Grip)
Weight: 4lbs 3oz
Length: 39.75 in.
Barrel: 20.84 in. Rifled Steel
Rear Sight: Adjustable for windage and elevation
Front Sight: Fiber Optic
Safety: Cross Bolt
*Maximum Velocity: BB's up to 755fps. Pellets up to 725fps
I almost never use BB's though unless Im out of pellets.
Pellets actually hit things, BB's just shoot. lol
Post by: Fl0und3rz on April 11, 2013, 09:52:54 AM
Check out the Crosman website. Specific recommendation would be a Crosman 2240 (CO2 pistol), which is pretty good for pistol practice. The 2300T and 2300 S are more spendy, but they have some upgrades over the base models. Also check out their customization utility that allows you to build on this basic platform.
Don't discount CO2 at least for practice, because for plinking and target practice, pumping or cocking gets old quick and could be a downer for a new shooter.
I disagree, Break Barrel's are the best. CO2 leave for inconsistent shooting groups. The psi in the canister will change every shot, Getting weaker and weaker and weaker. Break Barrel you never have to "Pay for air" and Its 100% consistent and very powerful.
I don't disagree on the greater power of the break barrel guns, such as might be desired for hunting and pest control. But as far as consistent velocity, so long as you are not shooting outside the window of usable C02 pressure, you should not have an issue with consistency in shots; it's a function of the air valve and action, in addition to the CO2 pressure remaining in the cartridge. (The 2300's are said to have 40 consistent shots from a fresh CO2.) If you go outside that window, obviously you will get reduced velocity from your initial shots.
For a point of reference, this review of the 2240 gets about 440 fps, extreme spread of about 9 fps, and a standard deviation of about 3 fps for a 10 shot string. Probably nothing that will affect a majority of shooters' accuracy.
Crosman 2240 CO2 pistol - AGR Episode #59 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnUfUQkHPFA#ws)
As far as what the reviewer called a usable number of shots from a single C02 cartridge, he says he got 80. That works out to about 1600-3200 shots from a box of 40 12g CO2 cartridges at $20 ($0.005/shot to $0.01/shot). For reference, pellets are in the neighborhood of $0.01/shot to $0.07/shot depending on quality (regular lead to premium hunting). Cost is really a non-issue. But yeah, CO2 cartridges are not free.
Airguns have a known issue of lower performance (fps) at lower temperatures, and CO2 guns are not excluded. (The issue is not with consistency, but with lower absolute velocities available as temperature drops).
The problem with break barrel guns for target practice (same as for multi-pump guns) is that you are interrupting each shot with a major mechanical operation. For hunting and pest control, it is not a problem, and the power is needed. For target shooting, it gets monotonous and takes away from the enjoyment and focus on shooting. It can be done, it's just not what I prefer for target practice and plinking. I have other airguns that can be used for hunting and pest control, and my personal favorite is the Sheridan Bluestreak (it's in .20 caliber).
To the OP: note that the 2300S and 2300T are .177 caliber and can accept the same shoulder stocks as the 2240. The custom guns (2300 KT and 2400 KT) can also be had in .177 caliber as well, including a 10.1" LW match barrel.
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2013, 09:57:15 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on April 11, 2013, 10:06:06 AM
WAYYYYYYY better than Crossman :chuckle:
:stirthepot:
Dang thing actually kicks.
That's most likely the spring piston cycling. That's another idiosyncrasy with the break barrels or other spring-piston guns. That "kick" affects accuracy and requires special hold techniques to get the most out of the gun. I'd hate you to have to shoot the powerful .22 magnum. That might tear your delicate arm clean from the socket. :chuckle:
By the by, $500-800 gets you into PCP territory, and I'd be looking at the marauder.
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