Post by: throttlejocky20 on April 13, 2013, 09:58:14 AM
Has anyone on here used these packs? Whats your thoughts? Any and all advice would be helpfull as I want the best pack for wilderness hunting thats comfortable and strong enough to load a boned out mule deer!
Post by: romaknows on April 13, 2013, 10:13:03 AM
If I was truly bivy style hunting I like heavy duty internal frame pack, If i will be hunting out of a spike camp i prefer a heavy duty external frame with a lightweight day pack . :twocents:
Post by: couesbitten on April 13, 2013, 01:44:49 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,122591.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,122591.0.html)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,106789.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,106789.0.html)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,115707.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,115707.0.html)
Post by: 7mag. on April 13, 2013, 04:50:17 PM
Post by: couesbitten on April 13, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
Kifaru, Mystery Ranch, and Stone Glacier are the top 3
:yeah: Some great information on this thread about Kifaru and Stone Glacier packs. http://www.rokslide.com/forums/showthread.php?4375-Stone-Glacier-and-Kifaru (http://www.rokslide.com/forums/showthread.php?4375-Stone-Glacier-and-Kifaru)
Post by: throttlejocky20 on April 13, 2013, 05:22:55 PM
Post by: Tim in Wa. on April 13, 2013, 05:33:25 PM
Post by: acnewman55 on April 16, 2013, 12:42:45 AM
Do you plan on "bivy hunting" or are you going to hunt out of a "spike camp"?
What is a spike camp?
Post by: cvandervort on April 16, 2013, 06:30:04 AM
Bivy hunt = hike in, hunt until night, sleep where you are, wake up and repeat
Post by: JM on April 16, 2013, 12:22:27 PM
Even if you aren't going to fill it up, just having the extra room in your pack is nice and it'll hardly add any weight to your hike anyway.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 16, 2013, 04:12:53 PM
I pack fairly light and a 3400 cu in pack definately wouldn't work for a 7 day trip. I'd get one that is 4500 or larger if you plan on living out of a pack for any amount of time.:yeah: If I was to buy another pack right this minute it would be the Kifaru Timberline 2 or the Mystery Ranch Long Bow. Better to have too much room than too little. There are certain things you penny pinch on but your pack is not one of them. If it fails then you fail!
Even if you aren't going to fill it up, just having the extra room in your pack is nice and it'll hardly add any weight to your hike anyway.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 16, 2013, 04:22:15 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 16, 2013, 04:26:08 PM
I have ythe kifaru duplex timberline 2. It is an awesome pack. :tup:Little bit jealous, not gonna lie!
Post by: dreamingbig on April 16, 2013, 04:27:47 PM
Post by: throttlejocky20 on April 17, 2013, 12:57:02 PM
Post by: asl20bball on April 20, 2013, 12:46:53 PM
Post by: bmccalister on April 21, 2013, 04:26:44 PM
http://eberlestock.com/J34%20Just%20One.htm (http://eberlestock.com/J34%20Just%20One.htm)
http://www.nimrodpacks.com/n325.html (http://www.nimrodpacks.com/n325.html)
I believe the nimrod pack systems are the most versatile but most expensive with all the accessories to meet a persons needs.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on April 21, 2013, 04:50:02 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on April 21, 2013, 05:13:41 PM
Spike camp = hiking in, dropping your camp somewhere, and hunting from that spot (returning every night)
Bivy hunt = hike in, hunt until night, sleep where you are, wake up and repeat
Bivy hunt? Ewwww! We gotta do better than that. How about "range camp" or "rovers hunt" ? Anybody?
Post by: motg9_6 on July 05, 2013, 03:18:02 PM
Post by: scottcrb on July 05, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on July 05, 2013, 04:33:22 PM
Post by: JustinC on July 05, 2013, 06:06:21 PM
This is my T1 used as a day pack.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi393.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp18%2FJustincrossley_album%2F2013%2FIMG_0574_zps776ee5dc.jpg&hash=f28d64bafb24b170d06ad9df2d8a33a592e33fef) (http://s393.photobucket.com/user/Justincrossley_album/media/2013/IMG_0574_zps776ee5dc.jpg.html)
With 130 lbs of elk meat. What else do you need? Still plenty of room if this would have been a backpack hunt.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi393.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp18%2FJustincrossley_album%2FHunting%2FTravisBullElkNov102012036_zps410594eb.jpg&hash=0d2edffb8a8946cd1eb1421354d6dcd99cebee6d) (http://s393.photobucket.com/user/Justincrossley_album/media/Hunting/TravisBullElkNov102012036_zps410594eb.jpg.html)
Post by: 7mag. on July 06, 2013, 01:08:52 AM
i just got he nimrod pinnacle and am gonna get the frame and one of the bigger bags later i really like the versatility and the quality plus its a local company and is made and serviced in the USA,
Nimrod makes one of the most comfortable and versatile day packs on the market, and their customer service is excellent. Don't waste your money on the frame. They don't carry weight well at all. I sold mine because I got sick of killing my back and shoulders packing out meat. If you want to pack weight (any thing over 35 lbs), spend the money and buy a pack that is made for it, that has actual load lifters that work.
Post by: Olympics777 on July 07, 2013, 10:34:18 AM
Post by: Olympics777 on July 07, 2013, 10:38:47 AM
Post by: Ridgerunner on July 07, 2013, 11:11:11 AM
Post by: JLS on July 07, 2013, 11:13:53 AM
What are your priorities (price, weight, durability, etc.) and how do you intend to use it?
Post by: Olympics777 on July 07, 2013, 04:56:43 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on July 07, 2013, 05:30:25 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 07, 2013, 07:02:49 PM
I want it mostly for bivy hunting, and I carry no more than 20 pounds of gear, no matter how many nights I go out. but I don't like going back in to pick up more meat, so I don't mid carrying 100 pound extra to get it all out. I want to spend 500 or less, and I don't want it to weigh more than 6 pounds, but that might not be realistic:) I almost always have a brother or friend to help pack out the critter, so if the whole thing won't fit that is going to usually be ok, and if it is to big, then it will swallow up my gear!! Basically, I'm really picky.
I'd like to see your gear list.
Post by: couesbitten on July 07, 2013, 07:04:03 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on July 07, 2013, 10:11:25 PM
I want it mostly for bivy hunting, and I carry no more than 20 pounds of gear, no matter how many nights I go out. but I don't like going back in to pick up more meat, so I don't mid carrying 100 pound extra to get it all out. I want to spend 500 or less, and I don't want it to weigh more than 6 pounds, but that might not be realistic:) I almost always have a brother or friend to help pack out the critter, so if the whole thing won't fit that is going to usually be ok, and if it is to big, then it will swallow up my gear!! Basically, I'm really picky.
Weight has to be excluding food. I can never get my packs to the weigh the same for a 9 day hunt as they do for a 2 night trip. :)
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 07, 2013, 10:17:07 PM
I want it mostly for bivy hunting, and I carry no more than 20 pounds of gear, no matter how many nights I go out. but I don't like going back in to pick up more meat, so I don't mid carrying 100 pound extra to get it all out. I want to spend 500 or less, and I don't want it to weigh more than 6 pounds, but that might not be realistic:) I almost always have a brother or friend to help pack out the critter, so if the whole thing won't fit that is going to usually be ok, and if it is to big, then it will swallow up my gear!! Basically, I'm really picky.
Weight has to be excluding food. I can never get my packs to the weigh the same for a 9 day hunt as they do for a 2 night trip. :)
I think it's excluding a lot. He's talking day pack, or he's never weighed his pack.
Think about this...
Pack: 5-10 pounds
Gun: 7 Pounds
Sleep System: 4-8 pounds.
Over 20 pounds right there...
Post by: Olympics777 on July 08, 2013, 12:03:33 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 08, 2013, 12:32:56 PM
Actually, I weigh my pack all the time, every time I go out, to make sure I am staying under goal weight. Also, that weight does not include my gun, because I carry that in my hands. Basically, I carry my bag(3.4pounds), half of a tent,(whoever goes with carrys the other half) about 10 rounds of ammo, a super light shell( the TNF cipher windstopper) and about 1 liter of water, a couple mountain house meals(pro packs) and a lot of granola bars(minus the box). I sometimes carry a very small survival kit depending on how well I know the area. Anything else(knife, flashlight if I choose to carry one) goes in my pockets. I don't use a sleeping pad(yes, I freeze) and who needs game bags? My pack by itself I have now weighs 3 pounds. Generally, I go out for 3 days or less, sorry for not specifying.
Just a few questions...stove? Fuel? Knife? Water filter? Para cord? Rain gear? Sleeping bag? Head lamp, pot, fork....
I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just legitimately curious how you manage to pull that off. What pack are you running?
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 08, 2013, 12:48:23 PM
Post by: Olympics777 on July 08, 2013, 01:08:59 PM
Post by: Olympics777 on July 08, 2013, 01:14:33 PM
Post by: JLS on July 08, 2013, 01:47:56 PM
It'd be a cold day in Hades before I went without a sleeping pad. :yike:
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 08, 2013, 01:56:43 PM
Post by: shanevg on July 08, 2013, 02:57:04 PM
I have a GoLite Pinnacle that I used for a year and lacked out 85 pounds if bear near with it. I stopped using it because it wasn't the most comfortable pack to wear but if you are primarily concerned with weight it should fit the bill.
Post by: JustinC on July 08, 2013, 04:08:03 PM
If I was you, I would find a used Kifaru KU5200.
Weighs less than your current pack and it can carry over 100 lbs in relative comfort.
You could also use a Kifaru bikini frame and a large ultra light bag which would really haul the weight and still keep your pack really light.
Like Shane said, don't get the Sitka pack as they really suck. They don't carry weight well at all and I know quite a few guy who have had them totally fail with a load.
Post by: BenC567 on July 08, 2013, 04:13:50 PM
https://store.kuiu.com/categories/packs/
Post by: throttlejocky20 on July 08, 2013, 06:34:38 PM
Post by: Olympics777 on July 08, 2013, 07:11:21 PM
Post by: jjhunter on July 08, 2013, 07:24:52 PM
If you're truly going that light you should purchase one of the GoLite packs. MR makes a great pack but they'd take up a third of your total pack weight. Never purchase a Sitka pack for hunting. Their clothes is great but their packs suck.
I have a GoLite Pinnacle that I used for a year and lacked out 85 pounds if bear near with it. I stopped using it because it wasn't the most comfortable pack to wear but if you are primarily concerned with weight it should fit the bill.
I had my whole Idaho buck, minus one hind quarter that I carried over my shoulder, in my flash 20 pack last year. Worked like a champ! :chuckle:
Post by: Olympics777 on July 08, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 08, 2013, 08:06:57 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on July 08, 2013, 10:30:36 PM
Not bringing rain gear into the Cascades on a multiple-day trip in September or October is asking for trouble if you ask me. I'll cope with the extra half pound or whatever my space rain amounts to. Ruined trip, hypothermia, the list goes on. Not me.
I agree. My 9 day pack usually comes in at 65 lbs but I do like to be comfortable. ;)
Post by: fillthefreezer on July 09, 2013, 08:15:04 AM
the only way ive found people are getting these super low pack weights is by not counting this or that or whatever when im counting everything. i dont count my rifle cus i hand carry it. i dont count bino cus they are around my neck not in my pack. etc.
Post by: JLS on July 09, 2013, 08:23:01 AM
I don't count my hat cus it's on my head 8)
Post by: MuleySniper on July 09, 2013, 08:37:56 AM
Post by: JustinC on July 09, 2013, 06:24:14 PM
I ended up with a Kifaru and wouldnt go with anything else. :twocents:
Great choice! Which one did you get?
Post by: Olympics777 on July 09, 2013, 07:46:09 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 09, 2013, 08:02:45 PM
:dunno:
Post by: JLS on July 09, 2013, 08:13:38 PM
Don't get bent, it was nothing personal. I honestly could care less how you arrive at your pack weight. I'm much more interested in the total amount of gear that folks take along. That is the list that actually means something.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on July 09, 2013, 08:29:05 PM
I guess I always considered it gear weight. You could just put all the heavy stuff in your pockets. Why cut the handle off your toothbrush to save an ounce when it would fit perfectly in your pocket.Why even bring a tooth brush. :chuckle:
:dunno:
Post by: throttlejocky20 on July 09, 2013, 09:01:58 PM
LonghunterI ended up with a Kifaru and wouldnt go with anything else. :twocents:
Great choice! Which one did you get?
Post by: motg9_6 on July 10, 2013, 10:15:17 AM
Post by: Bullbuster on July 10, 2013, 11:44:07 AM
Post by: GHETTO GUIDE on July 10, 2013, 12:37:44 PM
sweet, I just used "fondel" in a sentence. :chuckle:
Post by: fillthefreezer on July 10, 2013, 02:45:21 PM
I have the Kuiu Icon 6000 pack and have used it multiple times for long backcountry trips. From what I have found, they have the best waist belt out of all the packs I have used. The 2013 packs now also have a load shelf built into the back between the back and the frame. This would be a big upgrade allowing for your boned meet to be placed outside of the pack. If you are looking for a new pack, I would highly recommend the 2013 Kuiu packs.i dont understand this craze of trying to have meat outside the pack.... load shelf, meat shelf, expandable, mesh etc... i dont get it
Post by: lostbackpacker on July 10, 2013, 03:00:29 PM
I have the Kuiu Icon 6000 pack and have used it multiple times for long backcountry trips. From what I have found, they have the best waist belt out of all the packs I have used. The 2013 packs now also have a load shelf built into the back between the back and the frame. This would be a big upgrade allowing for your boned meet to be placed outside of the pack. If you are looking for a new pack, I would highly recommend the 2013 Kuiu packs.i dont understand this craze of trying to have meat outside the pack.... load shelf, meat shelf, expandable, mesh etc... i dont get it
it's pretty simple... you dont have to get your gear all messed up or rearrange your pack. works really slick.. meat goes in game bag, game bag goes on meat shelf in between pack and frame.
Post by: JPhelps on July 10, 2013, 03:16:08 PM
I have the Kuiu Icon 6000 pack and have used it multiple times for long backcountry trips. From what I have found, they have the best waist belt out of all the packs I have used. The 2013 packs now also have a load shelf built into the back between the back and the frame. This would be a big upgrade allowing for your boned meet to be placed outside of the pack. If you are looking for a new pack, I would highly recommend the 2013 Kuiu packs.i dont understand this craze of trying to have meat outside the pack.... load shelf, meat shelf, expandable, mesh etc... i dont get it
it's pretty simple... you dont have to get your gear all messed up or rearrange your pack. works really slick.. meat goes in game bag, game bag goes on meat shelf in between pack and frame.
I like the idea in theory but what I dont like Is when carrying camp out you have just moved all that weight away from your back. An overturning moment is created about your lower back (mass x distance). Which is not desired when packing 30+ lbs of gear out.
By going with a large bag all of the weight is close to my back. I throw the meat in a 65L sea to summit dry bag or black contractors bag so I dont worry about getting my gear or pack bloody (worst case scenario I really only need to protect my down sleeping bag).
Post by: 7mag. on July 10, 2013, 09:57:12 PM
I have the Kuiu Icon 6000 pack and have used it multiple times for long backcountry trips. From what I have found, they have the best waist belt out of all the packs I have used. The 2013 packs now also have a load shelf built into the back between the back and the frame. This would be a big upgrade allowing for your boned meet to be placed outside of the pack. If you are looking for a new pack, I would highly recommend the 2013 Kuiu packs.i dont understand this craze of trying to have meat outside the pack.... load shelf, meat shelf, expandable, mesh etc... i dont get it
it's pretty simple... you dont have to get your gear all messed up or rearrange your pack. works really slick.. meat goes in game bag, game bag goes on meat shelf in between pack and frame.
I like the idea in theory but what I dont like Is when carrying camp out you have just moved all that weight away from your back. An overturning moment is created about your lower back (mass x distance). Which is not desired when packing 30+ lbs of gear out.
By going with a large bag all of the weight is close to my back. I throw the meat in a 65L sea to summit dry bag or black contractors bag so I dont worry about getting my gear or pack bloody (worst case scenario I really only need to protect my down sleeping bag).
I agree. It sounds really good until you think about the geometry. By moving the pack bag away from your body, you are moving the pack's center of gravity further away from your body's center of gravity, resulting in a cumbersome, unbalanced load.
Post by: dreamingbig on July 10, 2013, 10:07:40 PM
Post by: Olympics777 on July 11, 2013, 07:59:39 AM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 11, 2013, 08:25:04 AM
JLS, I am sorry if I was seeming a little rude in my last post. The original question I asked was simply about some pack advice, and I figured that everyone could better give that advice if they knew my pack weight, so I gave the weight of my pack only, because it seemed the only thing that mattered, but next time I will give all weight. My entire weight, between what goes in my pack and what I carry, is probably more like 35 pounds or so. What I was carrying outside of my pack did not seen relevant...
I think the confusion is around what you bring. You seem to be setting yourself up for a dangerous situation by not bringing critical gear for unpredictable weather. That is why most of us are/were skeptical on your weight. IMO it's dangerous to go in so minimal, but then by your description, you aren't that far away from a road.
Post by: Olympics777 on July 11, 2013, 10:42:27 AM
Post by: Colville on July 12, 2013, 01:25:18 PM
The reason to add the other stuff when you make comparisons is that the advice you get is based on some pretty simplistic but traditionally agreed upon givens in packing, your pack weight is; the weight of everything you aren't wearing as clothing. That creates a standard from which we have a consistent conversation, hence the "how in hell do you get to 20 lbs", by excluding rifles and optics.
For a couple miles only, there's no way in hell I choose to suffer at sleep time. I can make that trip back and forth to the car any number of times in a day. If I have a really big critter I'm probably going to make two trips anyway so a 10 OZ blue foam and 2+lb air mat become meaningless. To each is own but it seems to me that the suffering is purely voluntary rather than a well considered compromise that achieves something necessary or even useful.
Post by: JustinC on July 13, 2013, 09:06:26 PM
I believe those meat shelves are a fad that will die fast. Like others have already said, the weight will too far from your back and cause you to lean forward to compensate. :bdid:
Get a pack that is big enough and use a garbage bag. Really simple and it works. :twocents:
Throttlejocky,
That will be a great pack for you!
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 14, 2013, 09:47:11 PM
It doesn't count because he's carrying it :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Olympics777 on July 15, 2013, 06:27:06 PM
Anyway, Colville, what you say makes sense, thanks. I guess, if I get a less than one pound pad, then the extra tiny bit of weight won't matter when I have 100 pounds of deer in my pack. And really, I guess it would help conserve calories if I slept warmer... it's something to think about.
Post by: lostbackpacker on July 15, 2013, 07:01:53 PM
A lot of you guys must have tons of cash sitting around talking about kifarus. I roll with a Northface terra 4500 for a 1-6 day pack. My pack weighs in at 25# for the high hunt in September minus rifle. I ditch mostly everything I can. NO stove (I bring dried fruit and nuts, Top ramen cooked or not it does its job). No tent ( painters plastic goes a long way). No pad. (cut some ferns or pines boughs to sleep on or find a mossy patch).
Have a buddy with a horse on speed dial to pack that animal out.
How much does the horse cost. A kifaru is pretty cheap compared to normal people hiring a pack out??
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 15, 2013, 08:17:17 PM
You guys are simply brutal, aren't I entitled to my own opinion? I guess not, and I must just take it.
Anyway, Colville, what you say makes sense, thanks. I guess, if I get a less than one pound pad, then the extra tiny bit of weight won't matter when I have 100 pounds of deer in my pack. And really, I guess it would help conserve calories if I slept warmer... it's something to think about.
Just giving you a bad time man. I hope you notch a big one this year! Looking forward to pictures and story.
Post by: JPhelps on July 15, 2013, 08:24:46 PM
A lot of you guys must have tons of cash sitting around talking about kifarus. I roll with a Northface terra 4500 for a 1-6 day pack. My pack weighs in at 25# for the high hunt in September minus rifle. I ditch mostly everything I can. NO stove (I bring dried fruit and nuts, Top ramen cooked or not it does its job). No tent ( painters plastic goes a long way). No pad. (cut some ferns or pines boughs to sleep on or find a mossy patch).
Kifaru packs are worth their price tag. When hauling a 130+ lb loads on inferior packs I would have paid any amount for a Kifaru or Mystery ranch.
I like to enjoy myself on my trips. While I could make it with plastic and sleeping on the ground. I will take my Big Agnes Q-core SL pad (17 oz) and Tarp tent (32 oz). The weight will make up for the energy by getting a much better sleep. :tup:
Post by: JPhelps on July 15, 2013, 10:05:03 PM
I have a coupe buddies that I mountaineer/ hunt with that have kifarus and the packs seem to spend more time at home compared to a Arteryx, Gregory, or Osprey packs.
That makes zero sense for hunting. While Arcteryx, Gregory and Osprey make great backpacking packs it is a whole different story when you start piling on the weight.
Post by: liljozie495 on July 15, 2013, 10:10:24 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 16, 2013, 06:20:54 AM
I have a coupe buddies that I mountaineer/ hunt with that have kifarus and the packs seem to spend more time at home compared to a Arteryx, Gregory, or Osprey packs.
That makes zero sense for hunting. While Arcteryx, Gregory and Osprey make great backpacking packs it is a whole different story when you start piling on the weight.
If that's truly the case, your friends need their head examined...
Post by: fillthefreezer on July 16, 2013, 07:50:24 AM
I have a coupe buddies that I mountaineer/ hunt with that have kifarus and the packs seem to spend more time at home compared to a Arteryx, Gregory, or Osprey packs.yep, mine sits in a glass case at home, no chance id log 40+ miles with it last weekend :tup:
Post by: JustinC on July 16, 2013, 11:03:38 AM
I have a coupe buddies that I mountaineer/ hunt with that have kifarus and the packs seem to spend more time at home compared to a Arteryx, Gregory, or Osprey packs.
I would still be using an Arc'teryx Bora if it was lighter. I went to the Kifaru Timberline1 because it has more space than the Bora and weighs less.
Gregory and Osprey are not in the same league at all. They are fine for backpacking with lighter loads but not 100+ lbs IMO.
And yes I have used all of them.
Post by: 7mag. on July 16, 2013, 08:50:07 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 16, 2013, 09:20:54 PM
When you start depending on other people as a primary plan, you are eventually going to end up screwed. If you go into the back country without the ability and or gear to pack out what you kill, you are being foolish and irresponsible.
Making prior arrangements to have someone help pack out an animal only seems more than responsible to me.
Having the physical endurance to get an animal out is probably the most important to me. It may take multiple trips to get an animal out.
I'm not saying your wrong btw, I'm just having a discussion.
But I think this is where philosophies differ. If you are 15-20 miles from the truck, you aren't going to be taking two trips to get an animal out. You are going to do it in one trip.
Post by: JPhelps on July 16, 2013, 09:47:53 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 16, 2013, 10:09:57 PM
When we go elk hunting in the backcountry we plan on packing one out as a group. With deer the plan is for everyone to pack their own deer and camp.
Ya, I will amend my prior statement. You are more of a man then me if you can pack an entire elk out by yourself :) But yes, you should be able to pack a deer and camp out.
Post by: 7mag. on July 16, 2013, 10:12:31 PM
When you start depending on other people as a primary plan, you are eventually going to end up screwed. If you go into the back country without the ability and or gear to pack out what you kill, you are being foolish and irresponsible.
Making prior arrangements to have someone help pack out an animal only seems more than responsible to me.
Having the physical endurance to get an animal out is probably the most important to me. It may take multiple trips to get an animal out.
Making prior arrangements is responsible, and making multiple trips, especially with elk, is often the only option. My point is, depending on others that are supposed to be in the area, is asking for trouble. Often, others aren't willing to drop every thing and end their hunt, to pack out another's animal. People's plans also change, and they may not be where you think they are.
I didn't want to start an argument, just discourage people from heading into the wilderness unprepared.
Post by: ridgefire on July 16, 2013, 11:44:11 PM