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Title: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: plunker01 on April 18, 2013, 12:36:40 PM
So ive been hearing rumors for last two weeks that the cowlitz was goin barbless May 1st so when the fish checker came by yesterday we asked if he had heard anything. He said he would gladly call and find out for us. Couple minutes on the phone he came back over and said yes that not only is the cowlitz going barbless but every tributary of the columbia except mayfield lake and deep river will be barbless.
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 18, 2013, 12:45:50 PM
Every trib of the Columbia except Mayfield and Deep?
That's a whole lot of lakes, creeks and rivers that are tribs into the Columbia system.

Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: plunker01 on April 18, 2013, 12:54:24 PM
Ya I couldnt beleive it but I watched him call the head office and after about 5 min on the phone thats what he said. He said when the new regs come out it will be in there
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: plunker01 on April 18, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
Well I sure hope that whoever he talked to was confused or didnt know what he was talking about. I just looked at wdfw website and I couldnt find anything that said this was gonna happen.
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 18, 2013, 01:21:54 PM
I think something got lost in the translation between the fish checker and whom they talked to and/or their interpretation of said conversation back to you.
Barbless hooks, and no more than 2 hooks per line, will be the rule when specifically fishing for salmon and steelhead in the Columbia mainstem and tributaries.

The way the checker relayed the phone conversation to you, that would make impoundments such as Banks and Potholes barbless only since they are bodies of water that feed tributaries of the Columbia.
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: GEARHEAD on April 18, 2013, 05:08:19 PM
cant be putting barbed hooks in those poor seals.
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: uplandhunter870 on April 18, 2013, 05:22:44 PM
im with 6x6in6, theres no way they are requiring barbless hooks for the entire columbia watershed for everything, that would put about 60% of the state into barbless hooks only
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: Bootfish on April 19, 2013, 08:16:00 PM
Think again, Columbia and tribs will be barbless come May 1-
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: BigGoonTuna on April 19, 2013, 10:26:15 PM
as much as it bothers me that they keep making pointless regs, i haven't lost a fish due to barbless hooks in a river in several years.  keep pressure on the fish like you should and they'll stay on, as long as they were hooked good to begin with.

saltwater trolling for coho on the other hand, i'd do almost anything to be able to use barbs again(at least in grays harbor).
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: bankwalker on April 19, 2013, 11:33:11 PM
I have fished barbless for the last 5 or 6 years for everything... last winter I decided to fish barbed hooks for steelhead. And honestly I lost a bigger % of fish due to the hook coming out.

Going barbless doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Though its a pretty pointless reg change for the Columbia tribs, especially if it effects lakes aswell.
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 23, 2013, 03:49:46 PM
Just released......


WDFW NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/)

April 23, 2013
WDFW Region 5 Office, (360) 696-6211

Ban on barbed hooks expands on Columbia River, tributaries May 1

OLYMPIA - Starting May 1, anglers fishing for salmon or steelhead on the Columbia River and most of its tributaries downstream from Chief Joseph Dam will be required to use barbless hooks.

The new regulations, adopted today by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW), expand on a similar rule currently in effect on the stretch of the Columbia River that constitutes the border between Washington and Oregon.

The new rules extend the ban on barbed hooks another 250 miles upriver on the Columbia River and to dozens of its tributaries, including the Cowlitz, White Salmon, Klickitat, Snake, Yakima and Okanogan rivers.

Anglers fishing those waters will still be allowed to use single, double-point or treble hooks, so long as the barbs have been filed off or pinched down.

Jim Scott, assistant director of the WDFW Fish Program, said the new rule will contribute to ongoing efforts to minimize impacts on wild stocks while maintaining opportunities for anglers to harvest abundant hatchery fish.

"Anyone who's ever fished with barbless hooks knows they are easier to remove from a fish's mouth than a barbed hook," Scott said. "That's important in fisheries where anglers are required to release wild fish unharmed."

Fishing regulations requiring the release of wild salmon and steelhead are common in the Columbia River Basin and other Washington waters, especially in areas wild salmon and steelhead are protected by state and federal laws. In those cases, only hatchery fish marked with a clipped adipose fin and a healed scar may be retained.

"Anglers fishing for salmon and steelhead in Puget Sound and ocean waters have been required to use barbless hooks for years," Scott said. "The new rule on the Columbia River is consistent with our state's longstanding commitment to sustainable fisheries."

The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission, a nine-member citizen panel that sets policy for WDFW, endorsed the barbless-hook requirement as part of a broad-based policy designed to support the recovery of wild salmon and steelhead in the Columbia River Basin.

That policy, adopted in collaboration with the Oregon commission in January, also set the stage for gradually shifting non-tribal commercial gillnets to off-channel areas of the river and developing new, more selective types of commercial fishing gear.

Before taking action, Washington's commission held a series of public hearings on barbless hooks and other provisions of the policy in the winter of 2012. WDFW also conducted public meetings on barbless hooks during the 2013 North of Falcon process, where statewide salmon-fishing seasons were set earlier this month.

With only a few exceptions, the rule requiring the use of barbless hooks will be in effect on rivers and streams where a Columbia River Salmon and Steelhead Endorsement is required in addition to a current fishing license.

Those waters are clearly marked in WDFW's 2013-14 Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet, now available online at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/) . The paper version of the pamphlet will be distributed to recreational license dealers around the state by early May.
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: huntnphool on April 23, 2013, 03:51:12 PM
I assumed that was the rule anyway.
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: Antlershed on April 23, 2013, 05:38:07 PM
Another regulation imposed on the sporties that has no scientific background that it does anything. What's even more ridiculous is implementing it on a river like the Cowlitz. Regardless of how many fish they decide to not clip and then call "wild", they are all hatchery fish which makes barbless hooks pointless  :bash:
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: Jingles on April 23, 2013, 05:49:11 PM
Why not just make the whole damned state Catch and Release like it is here in the Methow rivers? Makes one wonder why even buy a fishing license if you can't keep and eat the fish you catch
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 23, 2013, 06:21:40 PM
Yeah it is a joke ...So many damn rules it is just taking all the fun out of it ...better off spending your money at the grocery store ....
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: Wa hunter on April 23, 2013, 06:29:03 PM
Just another kick to the groin by the state, whats next?
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: uplandhunter870 on April 23, 2013, 06:55:22 PM
"The new rule on the Columbia River is consistent with our state's longstanding commitment to sustainable fisheries."

long standing commitment to sustainable fisheries?! hows about doing something that requires some actual though and a little work and getting a grip on the proliferate netting.

"everyone knows that removing a barbless hook is easier than a barbed hook"

yep just another management decision based on emotion and feeling and half thoughts, wheres the science that supports barb hook caught native fish that are returned to the water die.

with statements like those, someone please explain to me why it is again i need a degree to be a resource manager
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 23, 2013, 07:05:11 PM
Sport fishermen catch so many fish that they use us to justify how stupid they really are  :dunno: :bash: :bash: No sense in using the word nets ...they do nothing to hurt fish populations .....Birrrrrrrrrr Dirrrrrrrrrr !
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: snowpack on April 23, 2013, 07:27:13 PM
The hook study that I heard that they used was for small fish.  They were concerned about the steelhead in the river before they went to sea in the first place and checked their mortality, not the returning fish.  So, basically applying a decision for 25"+ fish based on experimental numbers on 6" fish.
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: Kola16 on April 23, 2013, 08:31:58 PM
I have about 40 trout in my pond which have all been hooked at least once with a barbed hook and they were all 10"-12."  All have survived, and are very fat. Also plenty of panfish.....
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: huntnphool on April 23, 2013, 11:14:25 PM
 The question I have always asked is if they have a quota on how many fish can be retained in the season then what does WDFW care how long it takes to achieve that quota? If barbed hooks mean the quota is met a couple days earlier than expected then why do they care?

I can see local business being upset if the season is cut short but at the same time it means less fuel being consumed (staying green) and less fish being injured. :dunno:

Canada sets a quota, allows barbed treble hooks and runs the season until the quota is met or the season date ends.............period. :dunno:
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: plunker01 on April 24, 2013, 02:58:01 PM
Well I hoped when I was first told about this it wasnt true cus a few days later we talked to a game warden and he had heard nothing about it and said if anything it eould be a year before thet did anything like this. Its a bunch of bs if u ask me. I have never hooked a so called wild fish on the cowlitz and had it not survive. Its getting to be ridiculous. Wdfw kills more fish and screws up the runs more than the sporties do but we pay the price. :bash:
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: snocohunter on April 24, 2013, 03:47:27 PM
it's hard enough to land a teener at blue creek flossed with a barbed hook, now what will we all do  :dunno:

All joking aside, it just sucks that they are forcing this crap on us. Of the wild fish i've caught there, who knows if they are just un-clipped hatch fish anyways, none have been difficult to release, and all swam off as vigorously as they fought.
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: splitshot on April 29, 2013, 09:57:40 PM
  i have been barbless for at least 25 years.  you hook more fish cuz the hook goes deeper.  you land more fish cuz the hook goes deeper and you have to release more fish cuz the hook goes deeper.  thats a fact jack.  mike w
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 29, 2013, 10:31:41 PM
If you bend the tip of the barbless hook in slightly towards the shank, it will make the fish stay on a lot bettter.  Think circle hook, doesn't help the flossers or snaggers, but if they strike it, they will stay on if you have any tension at all with less chance of them spitting the hook.
Title: Re: columbia and all tribs going barbless
Post by: Wa hunter on April 30, 2013, 08:46:40 PM
If you bend the tip of the barbless hook in slightly towards the shank, it will make the fish stay on a lot bettter.  Think circle hook, doesn't help the flossers or snaggers, but if they strike it, they will stay on if you have any tension at all with less chance of them spitting the hook.
Good tip ( pun not intended)
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