Post by: Band on April 23, 2013, 02:52:21 PM
I don't feel the need for a caliber that will absolutely kill with one shot but I want it to have enough fire power to defray a threat and be able to kill with a well-placed shot or with multiple shots. My best guess is that a 9mm would suit my needs best (if not something even a little smaller) but any suggestions would be welcome. I'm guessing I would prefer a semi auto to a revolver but I'm not certain. I would like to have a bullet capacity somewhere in the range of 6-10. Accuracy is a consideration but I know the kind of pistol I'm looking for will not be terribly accurate except at close range, and that's fine.
I don't need fancy but I want quality and dependability. Brand/specific model recommendations welcome as well. Thanks.
Post by: troyspinetar on April 23, 2013, 02:57:34 PM
Quality
Dependable
Relatively compact...
Glock 26 (9mm)
Glock 27 (.40) :twocents:
Good luck and happy shopping!
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on April 23, 2013, 03:00:02 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 23, 2013, 03:01:51 PM
S & W Shield 9mm and Shield 40.
Also, the XDs Springfield.
Post by: h20hunter on April 23, 2013, 03:02:52 PM
Post by: Wazukie on April 23, 2013, 03:14:44 PM
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 23, 2013, 03:29:39 PM
Post by: jbeaumont21 on April 23, 2013, 03:35:54 PM
Post by: jrebel on April 23, 2013, 03:38:05 PM
I absolutely love my SR40C. :twocents:
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 23, 2013, 03:39:40 PM
Best value for your buck is Ruger SR9C or SR40C. Compact, light weight, accurate large mag capacity and new will run you $420-$450 before tax.:yeah: on my SR40C too!
I absolutely love my SR40C. :twocents:
Post by: Mike450r on April 23, 2013, 03:40:18 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 03:40:41 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2013, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on April 23, 2013, 05:13:46 PM
There are tradeoffs when weight, round capacity, and accuracy is concerned. You can shave off weight by making the barrel shorter, but that will affect your accuracy. My BUG is a S&W J frame revolver chambered in .38 Special. I just throw it in my front left pant pocket and I'm good to go. The barrel is less than 2" and hitting anything at a distance is a crap shoot. Contrast that to my primary CCWs (Glock, H&K, etc) that I can hit small steel targets at 75 yards with.
Since you said that this will be a woods gun I would rethink your desire to not carry around a big, heavy gun. Concealability is less important in the woods, IMHO. If I found myself surrounded by a pack of wolves I'd hate to be carrying my little .38 snubby. If I were you I would consider a S&W 686. It has a barrel length legal to hunt with, as a plus.
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2013, 05:19:26 PM
Ruger LCP in .357 or a Glock 36 if you want something automatic. Single stack bombproof .45acp.
I know you said you prefer a semi, but I 2nd that comment above. The LCR is my trail gun. Will stop any person or animal I might encounter. 5 shots is more than is needed unless I am jumped by a gang of bear.
Inexpensive, compact, 357 Mag power, accurate, and very light weight. Under 1.5 pounds loaded including a leather holster...
And not to start a war between revolvers and semi's, but generally revolvers are considered less likely to have a fail to fire.
Post by: Antlershed on April 23, 2013, 05:21:50 PM
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2013, 05:22:39 PM
Post by: Maligator on April 23, 2013, 05:33:26 PM
After you decide upon which handguns "fit you" then you should (if possible) go to a shooting range that let's you rent weapons & then shoot those weapons that fit you. You may find thatone will just function better or be easier to employ than the others: that's the one you buy. :tup:
Good luck to you & happy shooting.
Post by: Jason on April 23, 2013, 06:00:19 PM
I also love my SR40C :tup:Best value for your buck is Ruger SR9C or SR40C. Compact, light weight, accurate large mag capacity and new will run you $420-$450 before tax.:yeah: on my SR40C too!
I absolutely love my SR40C. :twocents:
Post by: aaronoto on April 23, 2013, 06:03:37 PM
Post by: splitshot on April 23, 2013, 07:50:26 PM
Post by: mountainman on April 23, 2013, 08:10:01 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on April 23, 2013, 08:15:13 PM
16 + 1 mag.
Reliable for any use. Not too heavy
And a $300.00 new price tag.
I have hundreds of rounds through mine with no problems.
You can get it in any caliber you want.
Having said that In the woods I carry a Judge. :twocents:
Post by: Antlershed on April 23, 2013, 08:17:21 PM
Post by: mountainman on April 23, 2013, 08:47:17 PM
Post by: Antlershed on April 23, 2013, 08:55:43 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on April 23, 2013, 08:56:56 PM
Post by: mountainman on April 23, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
S&W M&P 40, sig p220, S&W 329PD 44magGuess I should add the 329 too!
Post by: mountainman on April 23, 2013, 08:59:46 PM
My M&P wouldn't eat the cheaper ammo. Sent it to S&W for them to check the firing pin and they said there was nothing wrong with it so I sold it. Shot the rest of that box thru my xd without an issue.Yep, there is some "cheap" ammo out there! :chuckle:
Post by: jrebel on April 23, 2013, 09:01:28 PM
Post by: Antlershed on April 23, 2013, 09:07:09 PM
Post by: actionshooter on April 23, 2013, 09:09:03 PM
One of the most important things is: how will this weapon fit you. It really doesn't matter what people say here about brand X or brand Y..(although certain brands will be noted as more reliable & this is worth consideration) what you should do is go to a gun shop & ask to handle as many as possible to see which one will "feel good" in your hands.
After you decide upon which handguns "fit you" then you should (if possible) go to a shooting range that let's you rent weapons & then shoot those weapons that fit you. You may find thatone will just function better or be easier to employ than the others: that's the one you buy. :tup:
Good luck to you & happy shooting.
This is the best advice here. All of the guns mentioned would fit the bill, its totally what feels good to you. Go to a range that rents guns and start trying them out.
Post by: Button Nubbs on April 23, 2013, 09:23:08 PM
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on April 23, 2013, 09:35:09 PM
Post by: Jim the Plumber on April 23, 2013, 09:46:20 PM
Go with a Glock 17. The added weight and sight radius will help a bunch in learning how to shoot the hand gun.
Also, 9mm standard loads have less recoil than the 40, 45, and or 10mm.
Post by: tireguy on April 23, 2013, 09:52:57 PM
Post by: JLS on April 23, 2013, 09:55:56 PM
I really like Sig Sauers, but I have no complaints with my Glock. The Glock 36 is a very nice little single stack if you go that route. I would look hard at the smaller 9mms, as they will be lighter and easier to carry than a full size.
Think of things like double action only vs. double then single trigger pull. External safeties? Single stack vs. double? Polymer frame vs. metal?
Don't overlook the Kahrs.
Post by: cohoho on April 23, 2013, 09:59:39 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on April 23, 2013, 10:08:40 PM
Revolver for simplicity. Ruger SP101 in 357 Magnum.
:yeah:
I have one and probably pack it more than my 45acp 1911's. (When I'm not packin one of my 44mags)
An XD in 45acp wouldn't be a bad choice. I can't stand Glock triggers. Will everyone get off the 9mm kick.. it is not the cat's meow! Pea shooter in the woods! A 9 will never expand to .45" and a 45 will never shrink! .357mag for penetration. Same gun shooting 38spl's for grouse, practice and such.
-Steve
Post by: JLS on April 23, 2013, 10:17:42 PM
I can't stand Glock triggers.
-Steve
Relative to a 1911, I wouldn't argue a bit! If that's all you shoot, they're fine. However, I was really blown away the first time I shot a 1911 (higher end model).
Post by: crazysccrmd on April 24, 2013, 01:00:49 AM
A 9 will never expand to .45" and a 45 will never shrink!
While I agree the 9mm might not be the best choice for defence in the woods, that statement is 100% false. Almost every good quality 9mm JHP expands to well over .45" after impact.
Post by: Bean Counter on April 24, 2013, 02:44:24 AM
People don't know whether they've been hit with a 9 or a 45. They know that they've been hit.
Post by: ghosthunter on April 24, 2013, 07:15:54 AM
:yeah:
People don't know whether they've been hit with a 9 or a 45. They know that they've been hit.
I do not know of anything in this state that a 9mm would not kill or send fleeing. For what the OP wants to do a 9mm is fine.
Post by: Band on April 24, 2013, 07:55:23 AM
How do you plan on carrying it? If it’s open carry on the hip like a cowboy, weight is a lot less of an issue. If I was carrying it like that, I would get either a S&W 686 or a Ruger GP100, 4” barrel, .357 mag. If it’s some kind of shoulder rig, you can’t go wrong with any of the suggestions made so far, but I’d throw in the CZ 75 compact for consideration.Good question. Walking around in the woods I can envision carrying on my hip but while riding my ATV I would want it to be concealed simply to protect against mud/dust. At the same time, one of the reasons I am wanting compact and lightweight is because I'm on the fence about whether I would at some point choose to carry concealed in places besides the woods. I don't feel a particular need but I may at some point. I won't invest in more than 1 handgun and I want to make sure it will be adequate for my needs.
Post by: mossy8352 on April 24, 2013, 08:25:27 AM
Post by: troyspinetar on April 24, 2013, 08:39:04 AM
Post by: TheFewTheProud on April 24, 2013, 08:41:02 AM
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2013, 08:54:16 AM
Post by: thinkingman on April 24, 2013, 08:57:48 AM
You can't eat your cake and have it, too.Actually, you can.
There are tradeoffs when weight, round capacity, and accuracy is concerned. You can shave off weight by making the barrel shorter, but that will affect your accuracy. My BUG is a S&W J frame revolver chambered in .38 Special. I just throw it in my front left pant pocket and I'm good to go. The barrel is less than 2" and hitting anything at a distance is a crap shoot. Contrast that to my primary CCWs (Glock, H&K, etc) that I can hit small steel targets at 75 yards with.
Since you said that this will be a woods gun I would rethink your desire to not carry around a big, heavy gun. Concealability is less important in the woods, IMHO. If I found myself surrounded by a pack of wolves I'd hate to be carrying my little .38 snubby. If I were you I would consider a S&W 686. It has a barrel length legal to hunt with, as a plus.
I currently carry a Taurus Titanium 45acp revolver.
5 shots of 45acp out of a 4 inch barrel, all the ammo selections that load offers short of +P.
Total reliability of a double-action revo and the corrosion resistance and weight of Ti=24 ounces.
I would also gladly carry a SW 386 Hunter.
7 rounds of 357 out of a 6 inch barrel (where it means something) and Scandium weight and corrosion resistance.
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 24, 2013, 09:01:25 AM
The problem with what you want is that your two intended uses are on completely different ends of the spectrum. It would be like if you wanted a fishing setup that would handle both tuna and lake perch. Since you aren’t even sure you want to concealed carry, I would put that aside for a while and concentrate on what you know you are going to do with it. Either a full frame revolver or auto would be ideal for what you want. I would choose the revolver, but that’s just me.
Compact carry guns are terrible for beginner shooters. They are hard to shoot accurately, the slide and mag release are smaller and harder to use, and the recoil is higher while simultaneously producing a lot less power. Plus, your chances of accidental discharge are higher. Small frame, short barrel revolvers are no better. .38 Special is a weak round (on par with a .380 acp) and stepping up to .357 produced deafening report, blinding muzzle flash, flinch inducing recoil, and the 2” barrel isn’t nearly long enough to take advantage of the .357 power. I have a sp101 3” in .357 and that’s the absolute smallest I would go with full house magnum rounds, and it’s too big to be truly considered a CC gun.
So, I’d say get a woods gun, learn good pistol shooting habits and then later get a 2nd pistol for carrying. A ruger LC9 is a great choice for a more experienced handgunner and you can pick one up for $350.
Post by: ing on April 27, 2013, 08:06:07 AM
Post by: walleye1 on April 27, 2013, 08:48:22 AM
Post by: KFhunter on April 27, 2013, 10:30:57 AM
I have never owned a pistol but I'm thinking about buying one this year and I would like some advice, please. The primary purpose will be to have it in the woods as a precautionary measure against whatever threat might come along (cougar, wolf, demented person, etc.). I really don't know exactly what would suit me best but I absolutely want to make sure it is compact and lightweight. I know me and I simply would not bother packing a large, heavy gun.\
I don't feel the need for a caliber that will absolutely kill with one shot but I want it to have enough fire power to defray a threat and be able to kill with a well-placed shot or with multiple shots. My best guess is that a 9mm would suit my needs best (if not something even a little smaller) but any suggestions would be welcome. I'm guessing I would prefer a semi auto to a revolver but I'm not certain. I would like to have a bullet capacity somewhere in the range of 6-10. Accuracy is a consideration but I know the kind of pistol I'm looking for will not be terribly accurate except at close range, and that's fine.
I don't need fancy but I want quality and dependability. Brand/specific model recommendations welcome as well. Thanks.
There are a lot of used Glock 17's on the market. It is a perfect newbe gun, stupid simple without a lot of crap you don't need on the gun to confuse you.
It'll go bang all the time, the recoil is minimal and it holds a lot of rounds.
My suggestion is find a used G17 and a new 9mm sub-compact like the ruger - you could have two very decent guns for the price of a new sig and maybe change left over.
Post by: jyerxa on April 27, 2013, 11:46:30 AM
Post by: fisheral87 on April 27, 2013, 02:27:37 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on April 27, 2013, 02:30:56 PM
My vote, as most would guess, goes to the Smith and Wesson M&P, because it shoots good in my hand. Either 9mm or 40! Try several and choose what feels best and shoots best for you! :-)
I got a M&P .45 and love it!! I'm very impressed with reliability and accuracy. :tup:
Post by: Fisherdave10 on April 27, 2013, 05:30:24 PM
My M&P .40 full size does the job for now. If there's ever an M&P 10mm I will absolutely buy one.
If you want a caliber more suitable for woods protection and it needs to be concealable, get a Glock 29SF 10mm.
For general purpose carry, there are a lot of great choices today. I strongly favor S&W's M&P series and I can also recommend the Ruger SR9c. I've owned one for almost 2 years and it has been wonderful. I have had no issues with my full-size M&P. I love it. My friend recently got an M&P9c and it is awesome. My brother owns an M&P Shield 9mm and it is also great.
I do think the 9mm is lighter than I want to carry for protection against an animal that want to eat your face off, but I carry with confidence for protection against 2 legged critters.
Post by: Huntboy on April 27, 2013, 09:59:31 PM
Post by: cohoho on April 28, 2013, 12:07:21 AM
How do you plan on carrying it? If it’s open carry on the hip like a cowboy, weight is a lot less of an issue. If I was carrying it like that, I would get either a S&W 686 or a Ruger GP100, 4” barrel, .357 mag. If it’s some kind of shoulder rig, you can’t go wrong with any of the suggestions made so far, but I’d throw in the CZ 75 compact for consideration.
This is really freaking me out as AGAIN, I agree with Maggy on something, this time gun choice... As I am a CZ-75 Compact fan, 100%... And my 686 is my favorite gun of all, I got it when I was 17 as a birthday present and it is over 30 years old... I love my Sig Tac Ops .45, but my CZ is my carry along if I am jacketed..... :yike:
Post by: EA338AI on April 29, 2013, 11:40:50 PM
Post by: Shooter on April 30, 2013, 12:49:59 AM
I bought a Glock 29SF for exactly the same reason you seek a handgun, I now carry it in both the rural and urban jungles. As fisherdave10 indicated and he's exactly right, small, concealable and very accurate if you spend a little time with them. Their brilliance is in their simplicity, they flat out work.
Good luck, if your around Olympia your welcome to shoot mine.
Post by: krism83 on April 30, 2013, 01:38:53 AM
if you want something more "main stream" I would go with the XDs
Post by: Band on May 06, 2013, 01:11:32 PM
Band! What the heck are you doing here? You don't own a gun yet? :chuckle:I know, right? :chuckle: I own guns, just not a hand gun...yet.
I did some shopping at Federal Way Discount Guns over the weekend to get my feet wet. I have tentatively settled on a 9mm with a 4" barrel and the dude steered me toward a S&W and a Ruger. I asked what they had in a Glock but apparently they are out of stock on the model he would suggest.
Next step is to schedule a shooting session with my buddy for a little hand gun training and shooting and then I figure I'll go back to the gun shop and see if there is a model or two I want to rent before I make my decision.
I'm starting to find out what things I don't know about hand guns so I have a lot of research to do yet, but I'm in no hurry.
Post by: h20hunter on May 06, 2013, 01:13:58 PM
Post by: Band on January 11, 2014, 10:52:22 AM
But, I have done a lot of study, shot a few rental pistols and have decided on the SR40 since it feels good in my hand and it grouped best for me among the pistols I shot. My CPL is being processed and I should have that in hand in February. I'm planning on making the purchase as soon as it arrives.
Next issue is a laser sight. I definitely plan to purchase one along with the pistol. Highly recommended to me was the Crimson Talon hand grip laser, which I tested out and liked, but it doesn't look like it is available for the SR40, at least not yet. What recommendations do you have about a laser sight model or style for my weapon of choice?
Post by: Alchase on January 11, 2014, 12:51:22 PM
I would recommend "not" getting a laser sight, until you are totally comfortable with your shooting abilities with the gun you choose.
If you feel the need replace the stock sights with the fiber optic nightsights of your choice.
Do not get me wrong, laser sights definately have their place. I prefer to learn my weapon inside and out, two hands, single hand left and right. And both sight shooting and point shooting.
I also have the old school thought, that I just choose to not advertise my intent or cababilities when it hits the fan. I would choose a good light, and learn to use it "Properly" before a laser sight.
Just my 2 cents
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 11, 2014, 01:01:27 PM
Post by: jrebel on January 11, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
Honestly?
I would recommend "not" getting a laser sight, until you are totally comfortable with your shooting abilities with the gun you choose.
If you feel the need replace the stock sights with the fiber optic nightsights of your choice.
Do not get me wrong, laser sights definately have their place. I prefer to learn my weapon inside and out, two hands, single hand left and right. And both sight shooting and point shooting.
I also have the old school thought, that I just choose to not advertise my intent or cababilities when it hits the fan. I would choose a good light, and learn to use it "Properly" before a laser sight.
Just my 2 cents
:yeah:
Get a set of tritium night sights put on it.
Post by: mossy8352 on January 11, 2014, 01:35:23 PM
Honestly?
I would recommend "not" getting a laser sight, until you are totally comfortable with your shooting abilities with the gun you choose.
If you feel the need replace the stock sights with the fiber optic nightsights of your choice.
Do not get me wrong, laser sights definately have their place. I prefer to learn my weapon inside and out, two hands, single hand left and right. And both sight shooting and point shooting.
I also have the old school thought, that I just choose to not advertise my intent or cababilities when it hits the fan. I would choose a good light, and learn to use it "Properly" before a laser sight.
Just my 2 cents
:yeah:
Get a set of tritium night sights put on it.
:yeah:
I did and they are great day or night!
Post by: Jim the Plumber on January 11, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
These guys have it right. Get a great set of iron sights and use the money you didn't waste on a laser for ammo and then practice, practice, practice.Honestly?
I would recommend "not" getting a laser sight, until you are totally comfortable with your shooting abilities with the gun you choose.
If you feel the need replace the stock sights with the fiber optic nightsights of your choice.
Do not get me wrong, laser sights definately have their place. I prefer to learn my weapon inside and out, two hands, single hand left and right. And both sight shooting and point shooting.
I also have the old school thought, that I just choose to not advertise my intent or cababilities when it hits the fan. I would choose a good light, and learn to use it "Properly" before a laser sight.
Just my 2 cents
:yeah:
Get a set of tritium night sights put on it.
:yeah:
I did and they are great day or night!
Post by: Band on January 11, 2014, 03:37:29 PM
In my very limited experience I seem to be able to acquire my target faster and group better with a laser sight than with the stock sights. I am unfamiliar with any other types of sights. What do you see as the advantage of the sight you're recommending?
By the way, I don't know how important this is to the sight choice discussion but my intention with this pistol is to carry on my hip in the woods for protection/piece of mind - I have no intention to concealed carry.
Post by: KFhunter on January 11, 2014, 03:56:43 PM
laser would be nearly worthless in the day time, but could be handy at night in the woods but I'd personally opt for a night sight and weapon light before a laser.
I switch all my full sized auto's to trijicon sights.
Post by: jrebel on January 11, 2014, 03:59:22 PM
Post by: Band on January 11, 2014, 04:06:29 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 11, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
Post by: jrebel on January 11, 2014, 04:15:11 PM
Does that sight have any significant advantages during the daytime as well?
Absolutely.....in less than ideal light it will help tremendously. If you are in old growth timber, dusk, dawn, cloudy weather, etc. etc. it does not need to be dark for there to be a huge advantage to having these sights.
Optimal light....no advantage.
Post by: mossy8352 on January 11, 2014, 04:26:12 PM
http://shopruger.com/Sights/products/18/ (http://shopruger.com/Sights/products/18/)
12964 and 12966, you most likely will need a gun smith to remove the old sights and reinstall your new ones from $25 - $ 35 to me would be a normal cost and well worth it.
Post by: Band on January 12, 2014, 12:19:39 PM
Post by: jrebel on January 12, 2014, 12:44:33 PM
It would be an awesome concept to have a tritium single pin bow sight.
Post by: mossy8352 on January 12, 2014, 12:46:37 PM
Post by: Band on January 12, 2014, 12:48:38 PM
Post by: mossy8352 on January 12, 2014, 12:51:04 PM
Post by: jrebel on January 12, 2014, 01:38:16 PM
Post by: Bofire on January 12, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
My two
Carl
Post by: Band on January 12, 2014, 07:22:17 PM
:) You have received alot of good advice. I note it is your first pistol/revolver. Have you thought about a .22 rimfire? so you could afford to learn to shoot it? Thousands of rounds is a good learning tool :). Get the bigger gun next year??I've thought about getting a .22 in addition to this gun for the reason you've mentioned, but there are too many cougar tracks within walking distance of our cabin during the winter to continue walking around there unarmed. And there are wolves in the general vicinity as well.
My two
Carl
Post by: Band on July 08, 2015, 12:36:58 PM
So anyway, I ended up buying a Ruger SR22 last year simply to plink and get inexpensive pistol shooting practice. Love that gun, by the way. And then I finally bought an M&P 9 Shield recently and took it out for my first shooting session. I think I'm going to like that gun quite a bit and it fits the criteria I was looking for so I'm happy with the purchase.
Next step is to buy the right holster for the M&P and I'm hoping for a few suggestions from you folks to help me navigate the myriad options available for one that will suit my needs. Here is the criteria I'm looking for:
- comfort while walking through the woods in all types of weather and ambient temperatures
- easy accessibility
- prefer the ability to carry while wearing shorts
- prefer not to have to buy a gun belt but realize it may be necessary (not really sure?)
- reasonable cost
- concealability is not important
Suggestions, please.
Post by: CP on July 08, 2015, 12:40:31 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/751846/desantis-mini-scabbard-belt-holster-s-and-w-m-and-p-shield-leather?cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google&gclid=CIiTmdikzMYCFdKFfgodLWILag
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 08, 2015, 12:41:55 PM
Hard to go wrong with any of the Springfield XD series. .40 S&W would be my caliber choice, based on your description an XD subcompact in .40 will give you 10 rounds (9+1) with the compact magazine, 26 oz empty.
My XD .45 is a double stacker. 14 rounds of ammo will impress a wolf pack or a tweeker. Make sure you have a holster system which will make carrying comfortable. A shoulder holster is a good choice because it keeps the weight off your hip while you're hiking. :tup:
Buy it before your wonderful city council starts getting their pieces of silver for it.
Post by: Band on July 08, 2015, 12:55:31 PM
This:Simple holster with glowing reviews. Shoot, that might be the one right there. :)
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/751846/desantis-mini-scabbard-belt-holster-s-and-w-m-and-p-shield-leather?cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google&gclid=CIiTmdikzMYCFdKFfgodLWILag
Looks like it requires a gun belt. I've never even looked at those before - what kinds of places would a person go to buy one? Are there standard belts that are sturdy enough to be used as a gun belt? :dunno:
Post by: Band on July 08, 2015, 12:57:09 PM
Buy it before your wonderful city council starts getting their pieces of silver for it.Not my city council. I don't live in the city and wouldn't if you paid me! Oh, and try to keep up, we're past the gun buying phase and on to the holster phase now (see reply #85). :chuckle:
Post by: CP on July 08, 2015, 01:05:43 PM
This:Simple holster with glowing reviews. Shoot, that might be the one right there. :)
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/751846/desantis-mini-scabbard-belt-holster-s-and-w-m-and-p-shield-leather?cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google&gclid=CIiTmdikzMYCFdKFfgodLWILag
Looks like it requires a gun belt. I've never even looked at those before - what kinds of places would a person go to buy one? Are there standard belts that are sturdy enough to be used as a gun belt? :dunno:
It requires a belt, a regular belt, whatever you are currently using to keep your pants up should work.
On-line is best for buying - Amazon, ebay, Midway, ect.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 08, 2015, 01:22:13 PM
Don't know if its been mentioned but the g29 would be a good fit. 10mm is a nasty round...
That's my go to the city choice. Load that bad boy up... :tup:
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on July 08, 2015, 02:36:17 PM
This:Simple holster with glowing reviews. Shoot, that might be the one right there. :)
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/751846/desantis-mini-scabbard-belt-holster-s-and-w-m-and-p-shield-leather?cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google-_-pf_ci_google&gclid=CIiTmdikzMYCFdKFfgodLWILag
Looks like it requires a gun belt. I've never even looked at those before - what kinds of places would a person go to buy one? Are there standard belts that are sturdy enough to be used as a gun belt? :dunno:
A Sheid in a holster dosent have enough weight to warrent a gun specific belt. and decent belt will do.
Post by: grundy53 on July 08, 2015, 02:39:47 PM
Post by: Windwalker on July 08, 2015, 10:32:05 PM
Most comfortable we have by far are the RAVEN Phantom Modular Holsters
http://raven-concealment-systems1.mybigcommerce.com/smith-wesson-phantom-modular-holster/
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1316.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft602%2Fsnoplop1%2FShield%2520in%2520Raven%2520holster_zpsos8mm3np.jpg&hash=06590b3a7f78b035a400c777c25c7717a44c4c18) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/snoplop1/media/Shield%20in%20Raven%20holster_zpsos8mm3np.jpg.html)
Soteria Leather http://www.soterialeather.com/shopping/owb/owb.html makes nice stuff
And Savoy has some interesting holsters http://www.savoyleather.com/
Buy once - cry once. Don't go cheap on a holster or you will regret it.
The belt is part of a system.
You can use a walmart :bdid: ... belt ....but I would suggest looking for a stiff belt designed to carry a load.
To keep the holster from flopping around you will have to wrench it down to hold it.
Yes the Shield is a lighter gun but still will bounce around some.
A good stiff gun belt holds it without ratcheting up the tension, is much more comfortable and lasts longer.
Too many choices to list for a belt- Here are a few makers in no particular order. Just a sampling of what is out there.
Galco https://www.galcogunleather.com/belts_8_253.html
Crossbreed http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/HotcakesStore/CategoryViewer/tabid/112/slug/belts/Default.aspx
Comp-Tac http://www.comp-tac.com/gun-belts/
Or you can go with a riggers belts http://215gearstore.com/riggersbelts.aspx
Good luck shopping - good choices on the guns. :tup:
Post by: Machias on July 09, 2015, 06:50:32 AM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on July 09, 2015, 10:36:50 AM
Thanks guys, I knew there would be no shortage of responses. You guys take your firearms seriously! :) I don't really speak the language of handguns because I have almost no experience with them at all but I do have a couple of friends with arsenals that have offered to take me to the range to give their handguns a whirl. I am definitely going to take them up on the offer because as some of you have noted I really want to see how various guns feel before making my decision. I think I will also summarize your responses and do a little research to make sure I know what to look at and what questions to ask at the gun counter.How do you plan on carrying it? If it’s open carry on the hip like a cowboy, weight is a lot less of an issue. If I was carrying it like that, I would get either a S&W 686 or a Ruger GP100, 4” barrel, .357 mag. If it’s some kind of shoulder rig, you can’t go wrong with any of the suggestions made so far, but I’d throw in the CZ 75 compact for consideration.Good question. Walking around in the woods I can envision carrying on my hip but while riding my ATV I would want it to be concealed simply to protect against mud/dust. At the same time, one of the reasons I am wanting compact and lightweight is because I'm on the fence about whether I would at some point choose to carry concealed in places besides the woods. I don't feel a particular need but I may at some point. I won't invest in more than 1 handgun and I want to make sure it will be adequate for my needs.
Famous last words :chuckle: I said the same exact thing and now own 3 handguns.
Post by: Band on July 09, 2015, 12:19:33 PM
OK, so I own 2 now, but that's all. And I mean it, dangit! :chuckle:Thanks guys, I knew there would be no shortage of responses. You guys take your firearms seriously! :) I don't really speak the language of handguns because I have almost no experience with them at all but I do have a couple of friends with arsenals that have offered to take me to the range to give their handguns a whirl. I am definitely going to take them up on the offer because as some of you have noted I really want to see how various guns feel before making my decision. I think I will also summarize your responses and do a little research to make sure I know what to look at and what questions to ask at the gun counter.How do you plan on carrying it? If it’s open carry on the hip like a cowboy, weight is a lot less of an issue. If I was carrying it like that, I would get either a S&W 686 or a Ruger GP100, 4” barrel, .357 mag. If it’s some kind of shoulder rig, you can’t go wrong with any of the suggestions made so far, but I’d throw in the CZ 75 compact for consideration.Good question. Walking around in the woods I can envision carrying on my hip but while riding my ATV I would want it to be concealed simply to protect against mud/dust. At the same time, one of the reasons I am wanting compact and lightweight is because I'm on the fence about whether I would at some point choose to carry concealed in places besides the woods. I don't feel a particular need but I may at some point. I won't invest in more than 1 handgun and I want to make sure it will be adequate for my needs.
Famous last words :chuckle: I said the same exact thing and now own 3 handguns.
Post by: nastybynature on July 09, 2015, 01:38:22 PM
When I am out in the woods deep, I usually take my S&W model 29 4" with 300gr bear loads. Although the few times I have forgotten it when scouting, I felt pretty safe with 15+1 of 9mm in the G19.
Post by: Jarhead Chase on July 09, 2015, 01:49:56 PM
Save the bucks get a S & W Sigma 9ve
16 + 1 mag.
Reliable for any use. Not too heavy
And a $300.00 new price tag.
I have hundreds of rounds through mine with no problems.
You can get it in any caliber you want.
Having said that In the woods I carry a Judge. :twocents:
I've got the S&W SD40 version. I put an Apex Tactical Spring kit in, which really helped with the hard pull problem, and put a few upgrades in from Galloway Precision. They were not very expensive for what they did for the function of the pistol, and I get to keep the slightly smaller frame (which I really like for everyday CC as well), and the 14+1 mag capacity with 180 JHPs. It is pretty much my go to pistol.
Post by: actionshooter on July 09, 2015, 04:34:18 PM
Next step is to buy the right holster for the M&P and I'm hoping for a few suggestions from you folks to help me navigate the myriad options available for one that will suit my needs. Here is the criteria I'm looking for:
- comfort while walking through the woods in all types of weather and ambient temperatures
- easy accessibility
- prefer the ability to carry while wearing shorts
- prefer not to have to buy a gun belt but realize it may be necessary (not really sure?)
- reasonable cost
- concealability is not important
Suggestions, please.
Here is a link to Blade-Tech, Please consider these guys, I have used some of the holsters recommended and feel Blade-tech is superior, at least for me.
They are local (Puyallup) and are a site sponsor here on Huntwa.
http://shop.blade-tech.com/index.php
Post by: ridgefire on July 10, 2015, 05:19:05 PM
Post by: Band on July 10, 2015, 09:31:59 PM
I figured my xds.40 would be a everything gun but then had to have a lcp .380 then a Ruger single six and now looking for a Ruger .357. I would put money on it you will have another in your collection before long.I'll take that bet. 8)
Post by: magnumb on July 11, 2015, 09:14:23 PM
Whether potential and suggested holsters are lightweight, well made, weather proof, inexpensive, nice looking, well designed,yada, yada...... not one of them will be smaller, lighter, less expensive, good for several lifetimes of usefulness than the very well designed, basic, efficent and bulletproof......'Clip Draw'.
It can be worn on any belt, in any position you choose and is designed to stay in place no matter what you are doing until you need to use it. I know that you say that you aren't even considering carrying concealed and you will likely see this as a 'concealed carry' product. It certainly is and can be used that way, but the bottomline is that you want your handgun available to you immediately when afield. This product can be worn anywhere on your belt, it can be placed on either side of your handgun for your comfort and conveinence and does not hinder either your grip nor the function of your weapon in any way.
Leather and man made material holsters are wonderful, but no matter how light or small/compact they are, they can't help but add at least some weight and bulk to this weapon while worn. Most companies have dealt with the issue of 'printing' quite well. Some of my older holsters would allow you to read the serial #'s of my guns while concealed..... ;). If you employ the 'Clip Draw', it is nearly as if the gun is attached to your belt with nothing at all.......seriously, that small, lightweight and unobtrusive.
And no........no affiliation whatsoever, but I certainly own a bunch and I really wish that I had thought of it..... :bash:. They are great people to deal with, fast and efficient transactions and simple, simple installation that takes me minutes to perform.
As this is just one man's opinion, Google up 'Clip Draw' and read the reviews. Many are working and retired LEO's like myself that have each individually carried for decades. And for around 25-30 bucks, even your penchant for keeping your wallet as dusty as possible can't possibly cause you too much agony, if you were not to like it.
Just a thought on a different option that many don't even know exists. They've been in business for many, many years and it still thrives.........this might be that 'better mousetrap' that we all continually seek out.
I know it is for me...............good luck Band...... ;).
Post by: KFhunter on July 11, 2015, 09:45:49 PM
If it was me....S&W M&P in .40, standard size. My brothr in law just picked one up and we shot it for the first time this weekend. It had a nice feel to it, comfortable, shot great, high capacity, easy on the pocket book. Great shooting gun.
I got my paws on one of those the other day and it shot great for me too, the owner was shocked at just how well it shot. No hiccups at all, I'd own one in a heartbeat.
Also recommend .40 S&W
Post by: Band on July 12, 2015, 09:20:06 AM
I also wonder how well that double stick tape holds up over time. How often do you find it necessary to remove and reapply a new strip of tape?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 12, 2015, 09:50:41 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 12, 2015, 09:53:13 AM
Post by: Scvette on July 12, 2015, 10:00:26 AM
Another question I have ! Once I get my permit does it make it quicker to actually buy the gun and leave with it ?
With a permit,you should be in and out in very little time with your new pistol,without your going home and coming back at least 5 days later to pick up your new gun. What are you getting it for? Backup for archery? Get the .40,personal protection? .45
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 12, 2015, 10:02:41 AM
Post by: magnumb on July 12, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
I like how minimalist that clip draw is, magnumb, but I'm not sold on carrying a pistol inside my waistband. I've never tried but it looks very uncomfortable to me. I know a lot of people carry that way. - any commentary on comfort?
I also wonder how well that double stick tape holds up over time. How often do you find it necessary to remove and reapply a new strip of tape?
I didn't look into how your particular pistol would have the Clip Draw attached. Most of my carry weapons are Glocks. In those installs, the receiver back plate is changed out with a Clip Draw back plate and 2 screws actually hold the clip in place......very securely.
I have no experience with the 'taped' versions, so I apologize that I assumed that Clip Draw employed screws in some form for all of their pistol/revolver attachments.
Perhaps some of the testimonials/reviews from customers with your same pistol and their comments can enlighten you some more in regards to the tape concern. I hope so. Honestly, I would trust that these folks at Clip Draw have done their due diligence in choosing the most bulletproof tape possible, but there would always be that little 'unsureness' with me, as well.
Dependent on the design, size and other factors associated with one's particular handgun, the Clip Draw makes it nearly impossible to remember that you're actually wearing your pistol, which is my ultimate goal. If carried in a coat or jacket pocket, the Clip Draw is so small and nearly weightless that it literally feels no different than having just pocketed your pistol, sans any attachment.
I employ them on two G27's, two G43's, a G23 and as soon as it arrives, on a G30S, as well. Single and double stacked pistols wear and feel the same.......fortunately.
Good luck Band and it's a relief to see that others really study all of the possibilities prior to purchasing such important items....... :tup:.
Best of luck.
Post by: Band on July 12, 2015, 02:23:39 PM
I have no experience with the 'taped' versions, so I apologize that I assumed that Clip Draw employed screws in some form for all of their pistol/revolver attachments.From what I could tell there are a few clips that fit specific models but a lot of them, my model included, require double stick tape to attach the clip. They include several pieces of the tape with purchase which seems to support my fear that the tape is a less than permanent solution. I suppose I would take a closer look if they were sold retail but I'm not sure they are.
Post by: Scvette on July 12, 2015, 03:23:18 PM
I want it for personal but I may want it on me bear hunting ...Highly doubt it I will pack it bowhunting ...I still have issues with that one !
How come you have issues carrying during archery? I carry a G29 10mm,it's only for bear or cats,I know it's 100% against the law to dispatch your animal that you shot with a arrow. Couple years ago I had a bear running towards me,somehow it got between my hunting partner and I,it stopped at about 20ft,it was kinda funny,I bet I looked stupid trying to decide what to pull,I think I was reaching for my pistol at the same time trying to get a arrow nocked,once he stopped and stared for about 2 seconds he turned and went another direction.
Post by: KFhunter on July 13, 2015, 11:16:37 AM
Post by: Band on July 13, 2015, 11:54:28 AM
My bow gets tossed at the bear or in the bushes and the 10mm comes out :chuckle:Fred Bear would be so proud. Not! ;)
Post by: KFhunter on July 14, 2015, 03:07:47 PM
My bow gets tossed at the bear or in the bushes and the 10mm comes out :chuckle:Fred Bear would be so proud. Not! ;)
I'm not half the hunter Fred Bear was
Post by: splitshot on July 14, 2015, 04:01:21 PM
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Post by: splitshot on July 25, 2015, 10:01:23 AM