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Title: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: Craig on October 07, 2008, 10:00:14 PM: Look on Monster muleys elk forum. the topic 411 san carlos bull. they think it's the same guy that shot the Wa Gov bull. Does anyone know if it is the same guy?

Here is a link.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID12/9982.html
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: archery288 on October 07, 2008, 10:13:02 PM: Got an email this evening about that bull... I believe it's the same guy... :yike:
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Post by: norsepeak on October 07, 2008, 10:14:20 PM: more than likely the same guy, he buys a san carlos tag every year.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: M_ray on October 07, 2008, 10:46:11 PM: They are callin him Dan and his email is aggey@..... so if you ar easking me Dan Agnew sounds about right?????
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: M_ray on October 07, 2008, 10:47:19 PM: oh yeah and great bull BTW what a stud!!! Man that guy has had a great year huh?
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Post by: bow4elk on October 07, 2008, 10:49:53 PM: just got an email about this bull too, supposedly 412"
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Post by: archery288 on October 07, 2008, 10:52:29 PM: Here's the pic so guys don't have to follow the link...
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Post by: archery288 on October 07, 2008, 10:53:03 PM: Different bull Tom... I just got that one as well... :chuckle:
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Post by: bow4elk on October 07, 2008, 10:55:15 PM: yeah, that's what I meant...should have said "also" to indicate a different bull :bash:
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Post by: archery288 on October 07, 2008, 10:56:45 PM: Another shot of that 412 Arizona Bull... thing is a hawg as well!
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Post by: bow4elk on October 07, 2008, 11:01:13 PM: Obviously this is a gross "loose tape in camp" score because that sucker's got lots of inches of deductions. But I don't care about scores much, especially when you have character, drops, mass, etc.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: bucklucky on October 07, 2008, 11:07:55 PM: That bull Dan killed on the San Carlos looks awful similar to the one he killed 5 years ago on the San Carlos with the left main beam taping out at 66 inches and grossed like 410.
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Post by: Opportunist on October 08, 2008, 09:03:12 AM: Both bulls are incredible!
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Post by: NW-Eric on October 08, 2008, 09:11:01 AM: those are some monsters
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Post by: C-Money on October 08, 2008, 09:32:29 AM: Must be great to have money to hunt multiple elk in a year, then get two 400+. That's what I would do!!
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Post by: EastWaViking on October 08, 2008, 09:54:34 AM: Hey, this is the same guy who shot the big one in the blues. I'm sure he "hunted" hard for this one too...
spending all of that time learning areas, scouting, hiking and finding two monster bulls in the same year, quite the "hunter"..... I wonder who irons his camo?

:puke:
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: NoBark on October 08, 2008, 09:55:17 AM: Wow. Mr Agnew strikes again.
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Post by: backwoods_boy on October 08, 2008, 10:13:05 AM: ok he makes me sick....
what ever..nice bulls, but he can suck my _________....
so tired of hearing about this clown.

DAN :pee:
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: M_ray on October 09, 2008, 09:45:57 AM: Some of you guy's are amazing. The guy is a successful business man who hunts by his means cause he can! Now don't get me wrong I'm not a big fan of the whole surrounding the animal with a posse thing until the guy gets there to shoot it, but for right now it's leagal and these guys are using that tool to increase their odds. I'm not sure I would do it that way so I'm not defending that part but if he chooses to ... oh well? He still hunted them and he still had to put them down with a good shot! You can't stumble out there like an idiot just because some guy's have it spotted for you!
I'm not sure???? but I didn't see anywhere in any regs that you have to spend a certain amount of time scouting and learning an area before you can harvest an animal from there ... When you say that you are calling out everyone who has ever used a guide for a hunt.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: huntnphool on October 09, 2008, 09:48:16 AM: I would sure like to see his trophy room
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Post by: M_ray on October 09, 2008, 09:49:35 AM: Wow! yeah me to! :o
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: EastWaViking on October 09, 2008, 10:04:11 AM: What I am saying is he didn't hunt them, he shot them. To me they are not trophies. I have not problem with the fact he is rich and
bought the big dollar tags. If I had an extra 65K I would buy the Gov tag next year, and spend two weeks HUNTING for a trophy be it a spike or
rag horn, or 400+ bull. The quality of the hunt, guide or no guide, is what makes a trophy IMO.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: backwoods_boy on October 09, 2008, 10:19:52 AM: Quote from: EastWaViking on October 09, 2008, 10:04:11 AM
What I am saying is he didn't hunt them, he shot them. To me they are not trophies. I have not problem with the fact he is rich and
bought the big dollar tags. If I had an extra 65K I would buy the Gov tag next year, and spend two weeks HUNTING for a trophy be it a spike or
rag horn, or 400+ bull. The quality of the hunt, guide or no guide, is what makes a trophy IMO.
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: M_ray on October 09, 2008, 12:40:53 PM: East WA ...
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he didn't hunt them, he shot them.

point taken I'll agree with you there but that's why I said
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You can't stumble out there like an idiot just because some guy's have it spotted for you!
Look I don't mean to get into a pissin match over it cause there is allot I don't like about it either but the ...

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ok he makes me sick....
what ever..nice bulls, but he can suck my _________....
so tired of hearing about this clown.

Piss on
DAN

is a little over the top IMO and should have been directed that way a little more.

The point is really all the money aside he really isn't doing anything different than anybody else would do on a guided hunt and as far as the guide himself it's his choice to use his crew in that fashion not the hunter who chose his services. And look if you spent 67k on a elk tag wouldn't you use the service which insures you to get the largest animal legally possible fro your $? I mean you are a smart guy and you surely wouldn't spend 67k on a tag and then go shoot a 300 bull now would you? If he didn't get the largest animal possible everyone would criticise him for that so he really is in a no win situation.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: EastWaViking on October 09, 2008, 01:02:39 PM: I agree with you on the comment made by backwoods boy, but he has every right to say what he feels too.

I personally would not use a paid guide, and would be very happy with a 300 bull.

It's all hypothetical anyways.
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Post by: MuleySniper on October 09, 2008, 01:15:53 PM: I heard it was a DIY hunt :rolleyes: :chuckle: :chuckle:
MS
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Post by: huntnphool on October 09, 2008, 01:31:26 PM: Quote from: EastWaViking on October 09, 2008, 01:02:39 PM
I personally would not use a paid guide

That's too bad, some of my funnest and most memorable hunts were with paid guides and outfitters. To each his own I suppose but don't lump all guides and outfitters in with these guys. They were paid to find these 2 bulls and sit on them until he could get there. Most guides and outfitters work their asses off for multiple clients each year and give a real service for the money they receive, its not fair to compare them to someone that spends the entire season looking for 1 particular animal for 1 particular hunter for 1 particular lump sum of money. This doesn't make them bad guys either, they are just filling a different niche. :twocents:
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: EastWaViking on October 09, 2008, 01:36:44 PM: I'm not saying I have any problem with guides. I happen to be related to a very good one.

I'm just more of a do it yourself sort of guy...or maybe a cheap skate. :)
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: backwoods_boy on October 09, 2008, 01:42:19 PM: i am a do it yourself, but i think that knowing that you paid someone BILLIONS of dollars to find you an elk doesnt make you a better elk hunter, so i dont see the point.

plus when you are at the bar with your buddies and they ask you about the hunt it just doesnt sound good when you say "i hired this dude to find me an elk then i shot it". Plus im a CHEAP SKATE TOO.
:twocents: :hello: :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: huntnphool on October 09, 2008, 01:50:45 PM: I hear ya guys and don't get me wrong, I don't call what he did hunting either, my point was you shouldn't put "guides" all in the same group.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 09, 2008, 07:00:06 PM: Either way he has two 400 bulls and I don't :'( And most likely never will.
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Post by: Buckoholic on October 09, 2008, 07:35:31 PM: Just think if we all had the money to do what this guy did!!!!!!!! I could buy a Bull that big!! :bash: Is that really hunting??? With no story line it makes it hard for me to believe its hunting.. And with all the guys in the picture with the spider bull I rest my case!!!!
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 09, 2008, 08:16:51 PM: him using three or four guys or a guide to hunt his elk is know different than me using a trail cam to find mine or a friend saying i found a big bull in this drainage im not going to hunt him go ahead .we all hunt with in our means if cant shoot a heavy horned five or six point in the early season . ill shoot a cow in the late.and im sure he passes up more than all of us to get what he wants.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: M_ray on October 09, 2008, 10:15:00 PM: Quote
i am a do it yourself, but i think that knowing that you paid someone BILLIONS of dollars to find you an elk doesnt make you a better elk hunter, so i dont see the point.

I don't ever remember saying it made him a better hunter so there is no point there ... in fact I'll maintain what I did say and that is that I don't particularly care for the way it was done either but he can afford to do it that way and hunt several different states in the same year and maximize his chances at a big one. Unlike most of us average Joes that hunt general seasons or have to scout out an area to make the most of what we have ... so we hunt within our means too.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 10, 2008, 10:20:35 AM: OK I'm probably saying more than i should.i know someone who was there when the bull was shot , the hunt they figured would take a week to get that particular bull.he had 15 or cows down in the bottom of the drainage where he was safe or at least safer than he was .when they went looking for him he was on the top of the ridge trying to push another twenty cows down to the bottom with the rest of his cows. about a 1/2 mile from road
you guys that are complaining i kinda understand but lets put it this way lets say you have been scouting a spot where there was big bull in the bottom of a drainage your going up to your camp and there is big bull is standing in the road just as big are you going to get out and shoot it or let it run and give it a head start.if you put yourself in that place at that time you deserve it no matter how easy it was .that's what he did.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: Bobm on October 11, 2008, 11:23:32 AM: 2 Outfitters and 10 to 14 guides = two commercial assassinations and the fans cheer. Just remember fans these commercial hunts are leading
us to a European way of hunting where we watch "our" sport on the sidelines.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: jimkirk on October 11, 2008, 08:04:30 PM: article from tri city herald. a few quotes for the hunter himself.
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/outdoors/story/346609.html (http://www.tri-cityherald.com/outdoors/story/346609.html)
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: robb92 on October 11, 2008, 08:59:33 PM: Quote from: Bobm on October 11, 2008, 11:23:32 AM
2 Outfitters and 10 to 14 guides = two commercial assassinations and the fans cheer. Just remember fans these commercial hunts are leading
us to a European way of hunting where we watch "our" sport on the sidelines.

:yeah: :yeah:
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: beerchaser on October 13, 2008, 03:17:43 PM: It's one thing to debate about the hunting aspect of this but the point being missed is that this guy effectively donated over $130K to an organization RMEF, which is responsible for land conservation for all of us to enjoy. If there were not organizations like RMEF, MDF, FNAWS etc, there would be a lot more development, more hunting pressure, less animals and certainly a lot less opportunities for the average guys to walk the land and take an animal. At that point, our hunting would be like European hunting because the only hunting would be on private land. So before you bag on this guy (I've never heard of him before this forum so I'm not his PR agent) for paying $65K for an elk tag plus the guide fees, and other costs involved, I think you should step back and think of what hunting would be like if guys like this read the rants and decided to put their money towards other causes. Time to stop drinking the haterade. He used fair chase to harvest the animal but did everything he could to stack the odds in his favor. There's usually an inverse relationship between money and time. He's used his bank account to reduce the "time" he needs to spend in the field.

You could draw similar parallels to technology's influence on hunting: trail cams, atv's, google maps, chat rooms, range finding scopes and heat seeking bullets.

Hunting is what you make of the experience, hopefully shared in the company of good friends. Then again, i'm a meat hunter not a horn hunter so my perspective may be different than the next guys elk camp.
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Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 13, 2008, 08:34:24 PM: well said....
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Post by: 300rum on October 13, 2008, 08:42:15 PM: I wonder what Teddy would say?
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Post by: bigbeamhunter on October 13, 2008, 09:06:05 PM: nice bull thanks for the donation to the elk foundation
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Post by: deaddog on October 14, 2008, 08:50:09 AM: IMO , until we all have the same opps on an even field, i think its bull :chuckle:crap. we bitch about the indians for there actions but according to the feds i guess they can shoot what they want when they want according to the treaties our forefathers signed. then some rich guy can buy a tag nobody i know can ever afford. If we dont all have the same opps to draw a tag for an area how is that fair? Im sick and tired of this elitist crap. all hail the mighty rich hunter!! :kneel: :kneel: :kneel: :kneel:
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Post by: beerchaser on October 14, 2008, 04:51:23 PM: While you may not have a chance to draw a once lifetime hunt like this guy did, you do have the opportunity through the special permit process to draw access to many prime areas, at different hunt times, which improve your odds of taking a very nice trophy. The difference is that the governors tag yields just about the same money for a single hunt, for a single animal vs. the same amount of money spread across several thousand hunters who take several hundred animals through the special hunt application process. I think both approaches are beneficial to the animals and the hunters. The two years previous to this guys $65K bid, the same governor's tag went for ~$20K then ~$40k, specifically for this animal, according to the article. To call the approach elitist i think is misguided, it's not like WDFW is putting all the tags on ebay and selling them all to the highest bidders...that would truly be elitist. They are taking a single tag and auctioning off to the highest bidder and letting the rest of us have the same opportunity for a quality hunt through the special hunt process, and it takes some time to build up the points to improve your chance of drawing, but it doesn't allow a rich guy to the front of the line, i.e. he can't buy more than 1 point per season. It's no different in almost all of the western states.

Taking the governors tag out of the equation, many people hire guides to increase their chances of taking a quality animal, that has not been pressured and do this on private land. In my opinion, that is more elitist than the governors tag and benefits the least number of sportsmen but you don't hear people complaining as loudly in those situations. Just my .02.

dg
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Post by: GoldTip on October 14, 2008, 05:17:25 PM: And we do all have the same opportunity to hunt with the Governors tag. Just go bid on it. Can't afford it? Too bad. Doesn't mean you don't have the same opportunity to get it. NOBODY ever told anyone what you have to do for a living. Don't like not being able to afford the Governors tag, then make some sacrifices and get a better degree, or start your own business. I'm tired of hearing all this crap about "we don't have the same opportunity" :'(. It's all crap in my book and those that use that as an argument against these tags are full of it. This great country we live in is the land of the free and we have more opportunities to better ourselves than anywhere else in the whole danged world. The guy used his hard earned dollars to better his trophy room and better the coffers of Washington state fish and game and the RMEF, good for him.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: boneaddict on October 15, 2008, 07:06:34 PM: Damn good year. Hell I'd like to see 2 of them in a year, let alond shoot them. Good going for him. I too would like to see his trophy room especially if he has some San Carlos bulls in there.
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Post by: chukar-ridge-quest on October 17, 2008, 08:30:56 PM: Kinda missed out on this one. If the money goes to wdfw or RMEF, well that's 67-80K helping us all out. :twocents:

OOPS-- like beerchasher, said.
Title: Re: two 400+ plus bulls in one year?
Post by: bowsandhose on October 17, 2008, 08:33:28 PM: right wrong or indifferent. it be sweet to be his taxidermist $$$
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Post by: chukar-ridge-quest on October 17, 2008, 09:49:29 PM: that as well BSH