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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: lastmk8 on May 14, 2013, 03:26:30 PM

Title: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: lastmk8 on May 14, 2013, 03:26:30 PM: Just going to throw this out there as I haven't been to deep into the regs yet this year. I applied for this tag, another $7 to the state coffers. Anyway, I see it has a code "C" for "Private land" which after the fact I'm going to assume that these second tag whitetail does can only be taken off private land. If that is in fact correct I guess I"ll have to see if I can find any land owner in the Tonasket/Aneas Valley area looking to rid the fields of a doe.

Would appreciate anyone weighing in and letting me know if I have this read/understood correctlly. If so, we really appreciate anyone knowing of land owners in that area looking to lower the whitetail doe numbers.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: h20hunter on May 14, 2013, 03:28:56 PM: I believe the C and private land is just saying that there is mostly private land and access may be an issue. I've never heard where the permit applied only private land holders in this situation. Landowner tags are a different thing.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: 1bugman on May 14, 2013, 03:29:40 PM: I think the "C" means that it is mostly or all private land. Not much or any public land. Doesn'g matter where you get the Doe. Just means it's going to be hard to find land to hunt.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: Buckmark on May 14, 2013, 03:39:40 PM: I saw this tag also this year and it kinda confused me also, i know there are 2nd deer anterless tags over there that are mostly private lands and list deer areas, like North okanogan deer area 2013, or central okanogan deer area 2014 which is an area as compared to a gmu, those tags can only be used in those areas and permission from land owners is needed.
But the tag your asking about lists whitetail antlerless and says gmu204, which i would take to understand that the entire unit or a boundry laying out the eastern portion would be open for filling this tag, but it shows in the "c" in hunt notes denoting private lands... 204 is a big unit with whitetails in a large portion of it, and alot on in the eastern half. I guess since i own land in east 204 if i drew the tag i could take a whitetail doe because it is private property.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: bobcat on May 14, 2013, 03:47:26 PM: I would just guess that most of the whitetail deer in that unit are on private land. The permit appears to be valid for the entire GMU.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: Doublelunger on May 14, 2013, 04:19:59 PM: If its for all of 204 their is no need to track down landowners for permission to hunt. Plenty of public where you should be able to get a whitetail doe with no sweat.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 14, 2013, 04:21:09 PM: The note does not mean that the deer has to come off private land or you have to be a landowner there. It is only a cautionary note to applicants saying that the area where the hunt is and holds most animals is private and.it may be difficult to secure access.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: Doublelunger on May 14, 2013, 04:35:31 PM: OK...I'm pretty sure you're talking about hunt choice 1323, East Okanogan. Modern, Oct 12-20, white-tailed antlerless. That is confusing because all of the other special hunts in East Okanogan/204 don't have the C in the "hunt notes" column. Seem's very contradictory to have the whole gmu listed as the "unit/area" then read the definition of Hunt note C-"Private lands; access is extremely limited. If you cannot secure access to private lands, do not apply for these hunts." If it were me I would assume that the C was a typo and go whack a doe on public land and be done with it.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: lastmk8 on May 14, 2013, 07:23:47 PM: Thanks for all the replies, good to know everyone seems to be thinking the same way as me. I've seen this tag before but don't recall the "C" there. Just need to draw the tag now, I do hunt public land and have seen plenty of opportunity to whack a nice doe for the freezer, hopefully after knocking down a respectable Muley this year.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: DoubleJ on May 15, 2013, 07:27:34 AM: And everyone is thinking incorrectly. "C" means the deer HAS to be taken from private land.

Buckmark, this is similar to the tag I had last year. Only difference is mine was for the Central Okanogan deer area and for whitetail or mulie doe for my 2nd deer tag. When I got drawn, I called WDFW and was told twice that it is a private property hunt only.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: h20hunter on May 15, 2013, 07:30:54 AM: Interesting....the hunt notes say "extremely limited" in reference to the private lands. I would think it would say "completely limited" or "private land only".....however....it is the regs and it is WA. Considering that DoubleJ has indeed hunted this tag and left his BLOOD and sweat there I would take his word over our interpretation of the regs. Also...I'd get on the phone and make a few calls to make sure you know exactly what the restrictions are.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: DoubleJ on May 15, 2013, 07:36:59 AM: Quote from: h20hunter on May 15, 2013, 07:30:54 AM
Interesting....the hunt notes say "extremely limited" in reference to the private lands. I would think it would say "completely limited" or "private land only".....however....it is the regs and it is WA. Considering that DoubleJ has indeed hunted this tag and left his BLOOD and sweat there I would take his word over our interpretation of the regs. Also...I'd get on the phone and make a few calls to make sure you know exactly what the restrictions are.

>:( That's not very funny. :chuckle:

I didn't hunt this exact tag but the tag I did hunt was in the same area and had the same "C" restriction
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 15, 2013, 07:38:24 AM: If it truely meant only private lands the hunt area would say that. Since the hunt area is gmu 204 I take.that as meaning all of 204. :twocents:
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: h20hunter on May 15, 2013, 07:39:46 AM: I thought it was funny AND true! If Franks driving didn't kill you a little cut sure won't!

OP....hope you get it cleared up so you can fill that tag.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: DoubleJ on May 15, 2013, 07:41:07 AM: Call WDFW. I'm not saying for 100% certain that it's private only, I am saying that if it's public OR private, I was lied to twice by the WDFW last year.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 07:51:25 AM: You've been lied to more than twice by wdfw. We all have been lied too.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2013, 07:53:01 AM: Double J's permit was for a Deer Area, which consisted of 100% private lands. This other permit is for the entire GMU. The "C" note has nothing to do with where the tag is valid.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 08:00:52 AM: That would change things deer area compared to gmu.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: MtnMuley on May 15, 2013, 08:07:08 AM: Quote from: h20hunter on May 14, 2013, 03:28:56 PM
I believe the C and private land is just saying that there is mostly private land and access may be an issue. I've never heard where the permit applied only private land holders in this situation. Landowner tags are a different thing.

There are definately tags where you can only hunt private lands.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: muzbuster on May 15, 2013, 08:09:04 AM: Quote from: bobcat on May 15, 2013, 07:53:01 AM
Double J's permit was for a Deer Area, which consisted of 100% private lands. This other permit is for the entire GMU. The "C" note has nothing to do with where the tag is valid.
:yeah: Intire GMU means anywhere in that GMU.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: lastmk8 on May 15, 2013, 09:18:19 AM: Well. looks like my post at least got some good conversation going, and made us all more aware of one thing for sure,... WDFW is about as bass-ackwards as you can get. I think like most in that if it says hunt area "GMU 204" it's valid for the entire GMU. I do know that those desiginates as "Deer Areas" are for solely private land as I tried to draw one of those a couple years ago, had the land secured, but then didn't draw.

As for the "Deer Area", WDFW whould may Weyerhouser land an "Elk Area" eing they are shutting most folks out. Then issue them about 25 tags and see how many fo the 650 $150 permits they can sell. Yea, off topic, but just a lead-in to the "Hunting Area's". Again, thanks for all the interesting conversation on the subject.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 15, 2013, 09:28:08 AM: There is public land in some deer areas... Spokane south is one example.
It isn't entirely correct to say that all deer areas are 100% private.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: Buckmark on May 15, 2013, 09:45:02 AM: Quote from: BULLBLASTER on May 15, 2013, 09:28:08 AM
There is public land in some deer areas... Spokane south is one example.
It isn't entirely correct to say that all deer areas are 100% private.
When we are talking about deer area 2013 and 2014 like DoubleJ's permit it states private lands only with the deer areas.
The permit the OP is asking about lists gmu 204, so the whole gmu is open, its just confusing that the wdfw has a "C" note stating mostly private lands, oh well i say dont apply for this tag its too difficult to fill, leave them all for locals... :chuckle:
So question, if you draw a tag with a "C" note that states private lands only are you then hunting in C post? :dunno:
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: TheFewTheProud on May 15, 2013, 09:46:44 AM: I'm sure I missed this question somewhere but if you drew a multi-season tag can you apply for any second deer tag regardless of weapon type?
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 15, 2013, 10:04:13 AM: That's where c post is!! C post seems to be a fairly large area...
I read the descriptions of 2013 and 2014 I wasn't aware that they said only private. Other areas don't say that.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on May 15, 2013, 10:44:15 AM: Plenty of white tail in 204 on public land. Shouldn't be an issue. I interpreted this as all of 204 which is what the regs state.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: lastmk8 on May 15, 2013, 11:45:47 AM: One of my hunting partners just got off the phone with WDFW concerning this tag, here was the reply:

I just spoke to Chris with WDFW regarding Deer Second Hunt 1323, if selected the entirety of area 204 applies. The note is placed when a predominant percentage of the area is on private land and is placed there for the benefit of people who are not familiar with the area.

I guess that is good enough of an answer for us.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2013, 01:16:50 PM: I'm surprised he called the WDFW about it. Seems the question had already been answered on here. Myself, I thought it was pretty straightforward. Not sure why there was any confusion. :dunno:
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: DoubleJ on May 15, 2013, 04:51:53 PM: That does it. Buckmark, if I pull that tag again this year we're hunting that big chunk of public ground so I can keep all the crab and clams I get this summer instead of bribing land owners with it
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2013, 04:53:31 PM: If you look in the back of the pamphlet, in the "Area Descriptions," your Deer Area is described as "Restricted to private land only located within the following boundary...."
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: DoubleJ on May 15, 2013, 04:54:37 PM: no. I'm not listening lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: Buckmark on May 15, 2013, 05:06:23 PM: You pull the same tag again we are back on private land (just like last year) but we were not even in 204. If you pull the whitetail tag for 204 i got a spot trust me.....or i can just hit one with the truck if you want.. :chuckle:
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 05:45:34 PM: Buckmark I'm in :tup: you can be my guide.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 05:53:44 PM: I'll try not to cut my finger off :chuckle:
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: DoubleJ on May 15, 2013, 08:32:08 PM: Quote from: Buckmark on May 15, 2013, 05:06:23 PM
You pull the same tag again we are back on private land (just like last year) but we were not even in 204. If you pull the whitetail tag for 204 i got a spot trust me.....or i can just hit one with the truck if you want.. :chuckle:

Tenderized venison. How can I say no?
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: DoubleJ on May 15, 2013, 08:32:23 PM: Quote from: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
I'll try not to cut my finger off :chuckle:

>:(
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: lastmk8 on May 15, 2013, 10:40:41 PM: @ bobcat, you will have to be a little more specific, as I don't see that "deer area" defined anywhere, nor anything else close to this in the boundry area descriptions. For Deer they go from area 1080 to 2010, and those are areas not hunt tag choice designation numbers. :dunno:
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2013, 10:43:07 PM: Quote from: lastmk8 on May 15, 2013, 10:40:41 PM
@ bobcat, you will have to be a little more specific, as I don't see that "deer area" defined anywhere, nor anything else close to this in the boundary area descriptions. For Deer they go from area 1080 to 2010, and those are areas not hunt tag choice designation numbers. :dunno:

I don't have a pamphlet in front of me right now, but look in the back where the GMU descriptions are. They also have descriptions for all the Deer Areas and Elk areas. These are in front of the GMU descriptions.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: lastmk8 on May 15, 2013, 11:04:14 PM: I didn't have one either, checked the online version. This hunt "choice" isn't an area, the hunt area is defined as GMU 204, only. They did have the "C" note under the "Hunt Note" column. The "C" denotes private lands; access extremely limited. Yet the hunt area is GMU 204, which has plenty of public land. IN the end, it is still not clear what they are trying to portray as the hunt area, so in the end I guess we would decide what our best advice was. For now that would be the WDFW representative saying it open in all of GMU 204...... Hell, none of us had drawn any tag so it may not even matter...!!! Thanks again for the input, I do appreciate everyones thoughts.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2013, 11:05:36 PM: I was referring to the permits that are for "Deer Areas" and not GMU's. My post was in response to Double J, who was talking about the permit he had last year, which was in Okanogan County and was valid for a Deer Area, not an entire GMU.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: Bob33 on May 15, 2013, 11:18:35 PM: Quote from: lastmk8 on May 15, 2013, 11:04:14 PM
I didn't have one either, checked the online version. This hunt "choice" isn't an area, the hunt area is defined as GMU 204, only. They did have the "C" note under the "Hunt Note" column. The "C" denotes private lands; access extremely limited. Yet the hunt area is GMU 204, which has plenty of public land. IN the end, it is still not clear what they are trying to portray as the hunt area, so in the end I guess we would decide what our best advice was. For now that would be the WDFW representative saying it open in all of GMU 204...... Hell, none of us had drawn any tag so it may not even matter...!!! Thanks again for the input, I do appreciate everyones thoughts.
If the hunt area is GMU 204, then they are clearly portraying GMU 204 as the hunt area.

What is the hunt number?
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 16, 2013, 06:13:24 AM: Quote from: DoubleJ on May 15, 2013, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
I'll try not to cut my finger off :chuckle:

>:(
what :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: DoubleJ on May 16, 2013, 11:27:56 AM: Quote from: D-Rock425 on May 16, 2013, 06:13:24 AM
Quote from: DoubleJ on May 15, 2013, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
I'll try not to cut my finger off :chuckle:

>:(
what :dunno: :chuckle:

:P
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: Buckmark on May 16, 2013, 11:40:03 AM: Quote from: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 05:45:34 PM
Buckmark I'm in :tup: you can be my guide.
D-rock you are more than welcome to come over and chase some whitetails even if just for a weekend, Those whiteys are fun, they wont let you walk up and pet them like mulie doe's. Its any whitetail for the month of sept...Kill an elk the first. (again)...
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: 12Gauge on May 17, 2013, 02:46:29 PM: Called WDFW and got a clarification from a fellow named Chris. He stated that the hunt note "C" is to make the hunter aware that most lands in that specific GMU is mostly private land.

If you are selected, lets say in GMU 204, hunt choice #1323. YES you can hunt public lands as well as private lands.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 17, 2013, 02:49:45 PM: Quote from: Buckmark on May 16, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
Quote from: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 05:45:34 PM
Buckmark I'm in :tup: you can be my guide.
D-rock you are more than welcome to come over and chase some whitetails even if just for a weekend, Those whiteys are fun, they wont let you walk up and pet them like mulie doe's. Its any whitetail for the month of sept...Kill an elk the first. (again)...
maybe h20hunter and I will do that after we rag out elk hunting. :tup:
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: Buckmark on May 17, 2013, 03:17:27 PM: Quote from: D-Rock425 on May 17, 2013, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: Buckmark on May 16, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
Quote from: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 05:45:34 PM
Buckmark I'm in :tup: you can be my guide.
D-rock you are more than welcome to come over and chase some whitetails even if just for a weekend, Those whiteys are fun, they wont let you walk up and pet them like mulie doe's. Its any whitetail for the month of sept...Kill an elk the first. (again)...
maybe h20hunter and I will do that after we rag out elk hunting. :tup:
As long as he's not fishing, delivering a baby or getting his back waxed.... :chuckle:
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: h20hunter on May 17, 2013, 03:20:50 PM: dont forget....or taking his wife to a yuppie overpriced weekend getaway!
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: Buckmark on May 17, 2013, 03:52:27 PM: Quote from: h20hunter on May 17, 2013, 03:20:50 PM
dont forget....or taking his wife to a yuppie overpriced weekend getaway!
Purse holder..... :chuckle:
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 17, 2013, 04:03:03 PM: He can stay home I'll come myself.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: h20hunter on May 17, 2013, 04:04:28 PM: PM sent......not for the open forum.....mods would be displeased.
Title: Re: GMU 204 Second Deer Tag Question
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 17, 2013, 04:54:39 PM: No mod scares me.