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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Turner89 on May 21, 2013, 08:53:08 PM

Title: Hair Loss Right?
Post by: Turner89 on May 21, 2013, 08:53:08 PM: I was hoping she was just aggresively shedding, but i don't think so. :dunno:
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Post by: Turner89 on May 21, 2013, 09:06:12 PM: Whoops forgot the evidence :chuckle:
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Post by: duckmen1 on May 21, 2013, 09:12:20 PM: Thats worse than any ive seen
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Post by: Cap.Silver on May 21, 2013, 09:13:47 PM: Yep,looks like hair loss syndrome -pretty bad.......
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Post by: Turner89 on May 21, 2013, 09:18:50 PM: I've had cameras out in this area since 2004, and this is the first time I've had a deer with this. I've never seen one in the woods before either. Wander how long a deer has once they get it?
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Post by: DoubleJ on May 21, 2013, 09:27:38 PM: We had a yearling around here a couple of weeks ago that looked like that. She had a mohawk from her head to her tail and no hair anywhere else. Haven't seen her for a couple of weeks now.
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Post by: duckmen1 on May 21, 2013, 09:46:29 PM: About 40 percent of the deer i see this time of year or earlier have it. Later in the year i dont see any with it. More commonly on yearlings
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Post by: Turner89 on May 21, 2013, 10:27:43 PM: Is it always terminal, or do they sometimes recover?
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Post by: lokidog on May 21, 2013, 11:40:47 PM: Pretty sure they can survive it as long as it is not too wet and cold and they can get enough quality food to eat. :dunno:
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Post by: ellensburgpo on May 22, 2013, 12:21:42 AM: Quote from: lokidog on May 21, 2013, 11:40:47 PM
Pretty sure they can survive it as long as it is not too wet and cold and they can get enough quality food to eat. :dunno:

:yeah:
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Post by: Old Man Yager on May 22, 2013, 06:52:04 AM: I see quite a few deer on the west side with it, mostly patches of hair lost. I've heard that if they make it through the winter they should survive, because thier new coat grows in.
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Post by: jackmaster on May 22, 2013, 06:57:01 AM: have they figured out what causes hair loss, i have heard a number of things from slug slime to mineral loss, i dont have a clue
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Post by: Old Man Yager on May 22, 2013, 07:00:20 AM: Your hair loss, or the Deer hair loss?!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: runamuk on May 22, 2013, 07:06:05 AM: Quote from: duckmen1 on May 21, 2013, 09:46:29 PM
About 40 percent of the deer i see this time of year or earlier have it. Later in the year i dont see any with it. More commonly on yearlings
:yeah:
Quote from: lokidog on May 21, 2013, 11:40:47 PM
Pretty sure they can survive it as long as it is not too wet and cold and they can get enough quality food to eat. :dunno:

we see a herd here in Eburg that the yearlings seem to have this every year but the older ones do not and the herd continues to survive.....oddly its a lowland herd I rarely see it in the ones in the hills. I saw one group of does and yearlings one year that looked horrible but have not seen it that bad since and by horrible I mean bald to skin and walking skeletons usually they just look to be having a really bad hair day or to have lost a fight with a weed whacker.....

this is all just my personal experience and what I have seen over the last few years living here .....also now that I think about it I also have only seen it on the yakima side of I90 so south maybe??...hmmmm

and I have heard it was caused by a louse brought in on captive deer by exotic livestock owners, or thats how the story gets spun when advocating against captive deer keeping..... lol.....
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Post by: Axle on May 22, 2013, 07:21:50 AM: She will survive just fine. I've seen some of them go nearly completely bald and survive all winter. If they are bald and we got a cold snap from Alaska, then some of them would freeze to death but a mild winter won't kill them. This time of year they are fine and once they get over it, they are more immune to it.
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Post by: kckrawler on May 22, 2013, 08:24:33 AM: I know...it's WDFW...but they do have a pretty informative write up about it.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/health/hair_loss/index.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/health/hair_loss/index.html)
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Post by: raydog on May 22, 2013, 12:36:38 PM: Is this what my grandpa calls mange? Are they the same thing?
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Post by: Jonathan_S on May 22, 2013, 12:53:50 PM: She's not as scrawny as most mangey deer are.

She might live. :twocents:
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Post by: jackmaster on May 22, 2013, 02:11:30 PM: Quote from: Old Man Yager on May 22, 2013, 07:00:20 AM
Your hair loss, or the Deer hair loss?!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
oh iknow what causes my hair loss ......its called a wife and 2 kids :chuckle:
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Post by: Turner89 on May 22, 2013, 09:27:12 PM: Quote from: Axle on May 22, 2013, 07:21:50 AM
She will survive just fine. I've seen some of them go nearly completely bald and survive all winter. If they are bald and we got a cold snap from Alaska, then some of them would freeze to death but a mild winter won't kill them. This time of year they are fine and once they get over it, they are more immune to it.
Cool! They are more imune after surviving it. Besides the hair loss this one looks to be in pretty good shape.
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Post by: fish vacuum on May 23, 2013, 01:26:54 AM: I would think that if it was gonna kill her, it woulda happened during winter.
I've seen lots of deer with patchy coats when they shed in spring, but that one is way beyond spring shedding.
Title: Re: Hair Loss Right?
Post by: Turner89 on May 23, 2013, 07:46:05 PM: Quote from: fish vacuum on May 23, 2013, 01:26:54 AM
I would think that if it was gonna kill her, it woulda happened during winter.
I've seen lots of deer with patchy coats when they shed in spring, but that one is way beyond spring shedding.
Yea, same here. I've seen some in my area that were patcchy during the spring, but this one was kinda shocking, for me anyhow.
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Post by: fish vacuum on May 24, 2013, 02:21:25 AM: Not sure how interested they'd be, but it might be worth forwarding the pics to WDFW.
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Post by: winshooter88 on May 24, 2013, 04:20:24 AM: WDFW already knows about it and pretty much where it is happening. It is caused by lice and seems to come on in the winter. The lice on muley and white tails very rarely causes death, however the lice on Columbia blacktails is a different version and does cause mortality. I was just at a meeting where the local biologist was there answering questions and this was one that was asked.
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Post by: merlo105 on May 24, 2013, 02:22:52 PM: Most people mistake hair loss for Shedding, The pics above look like it could go either way to be honest.
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Post by: Turner89 on May 24, 2013, 04:17:51 PM: If it's shedding, the doe with her is not shedding at near the rate she is.
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Post by: winshooter88 on May 24, 2013, 05:17:14 PM: The WDFW bio that talked to us said that the ones like in the first pictures is definitely hair loss, he pointed out that it looks like a mohawk hair cut. Seen a lot of shedding deer and they never looked like they had a mohawk.
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Post by: bobcat on May 24, 2013, 05:53:59 PM: Here are some pictures I got recently, of the same thing. First a fawn with a really bad case of hair loss, and next a perfectly healthy doe with all her hair. Sorry for the crooked looking trees. Something moved my camera after I set it up so it wasn't straight on the tree.