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Big Game Hunting => Bow Hunting => Topic started by: Lever-Action-Outlaw on May 23, 2013, 07:14:45 PM

Title: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Lever-Action-Outlaw on May 23, 2013, 07:14:45 PM: Alright guys, so I have always practiced before the hunt with field tips. I get really solid with my groupings and then when I switch to broad heads, Groupings are obviously going to change. I've recently switched to wack'em broad heads and they're awesome. Groups are tight and beautiful, but should I always just practice and tune my bow with broad heads? What do you guys use while practicing in the summer? Because 100 grain practice heads and 100 grain wack'ems don't fly the same!
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Sigmanu262 on May 23, 2013, 07:31:44 PM: Try slick tricks. Group the same as my field points.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 23, 2013, 07:37:12 PM: your groups change because your bow is out of tune. a perfectly tuned bow will have the same POI with bh's and fp's for the most part.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 23, 2013, 07:37:27 PM: Tune your arrows. Google will provide a lot of info. I shoot four blade slick tricks and line the blades up with the fletchings. I float my arrow shafts to find the heavy side it will be the down side when you float it. I put my first vane there and then apply the next three vanes. I found rubber gaskets work well to give the broad head a little play to align the blade with the fletching. I shoot the same vane I apply to the heavy side of the shaft up that way all arrows leave the bow the same way. Tuned arrows fly like feild points. Arrow jigs to apply vanes are 45 dollars some good glue and some blazers are well worth the time. Darts.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: earlmarne on May 23, 2013, 07:39:07 PM: broadhead tune your bow so as they do fly the same.if you get your bow set up correctly any broadhead you shoot will fly the same in my experience,as long as your arrows are properly spined.then you can shoot you field tips n not worry about resharpening and tearin up your target
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 23, 2013, 07:44:50 PM: Instead of rubber o rings for the play in broadheads you can glue the inserts after vanes have been glued. Put bh into insert tight then apply glue put in shaft and twist untill the blades are aligned with fletchings. I always messed up and had to use the rubber o ring method. No shop will tune arrows for you most don't know what I'm asking for so I build my own.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 23, 2013, 07:49:09 PM: Tuned arrows are the only choice while hunting. Tune your bow of course but tuned arrows are a must. :twocents:
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 24, 2013, 09:01:16 AM: If all your stuff arrows and bow are tuned it should be the same.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Beardo on May 24, 2013, 09:51:59 AM: Quote from: Button Nubbs on May 23, 2013, 07:37:12 PM
your groups change because your bow is out of tune. a perfectly tuned bow will have the same POI with bh's and fp's for the most part.
perfectly said.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Johnb317 on May 24, 2013, 10:04:57 AM: So... adding on to this thread..... will broadheads show bad form?

Had new strings installed... after about 3-400 arrows decided to test out the ol slick tricks.
They're pretty much 1-2 inches low and left. (20 yards)
Took it back to the shop.... and we worked on it for awhile until I put field point and broadhead side by side.
Get it home and instead of shooting flat I shoot down about 10 degrees, but I'm back to being low.
My field point groups are awesome!!

Back to the shop great guys there but? My huntin partner says I should take it down to the guy at Outdoor Emporium in Seattle?
(2011 Hoyt Carbon Element 28.5 draw, 70 lbs)

Don't have much hair left to pull out.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: bowjunkie on May 24, 2013, 10:32:50 AM: if you are torqueing your bow bad form or out of tune it will show up more with BH
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: coachcw on May 24, 2013, 10:34:08 AM: Form and tune . never had a broad head issue since I got away from 100lbs martin furys
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Lever-Action-Outlaw on May 24, 2013, 11:03:30 AM: Awesome guys thanks! There are a couple good videos on YouTube that are about broadhead tuning! I never even thought that moving the rest in small increments could fix broadhead/field tip groupings. Hopefully Ill have time memorial day to tune it properly! And if this darn wind dies down...

I have one more concern though, I shoot a ripcord rest and I'm scared if I move the rest I'll start getting fetching contact. I know that will throw off shots at longer ranges. Any thoughts about that? Or am I worrying too much about it?
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: bowjunkie on May 24, 2013, 11:33:22 AM: i to shoot a ripcord also great rest if the tension on the cord is properly set you should have no trouble

try getting you bow paper tuned then shoot your BH's a shoot slick tricks and they are great
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 24, 2013, 11:35:50 AM: to check for contact you can spray foot powder on the fletchings then shoot and look for any marks on the rest and the fletchings.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Fullabull on May 24, 2013, 11:36:27 AM: Download the Easton Tuning guide, it's a life saver :)
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Johnb317 on May 24, 2013, 04:34:35 PM: I'm going crazy! broadhead/field point. Went so far as taking one of my arrows and stripping the fletching off of it.
Started at 3 feet and went out to 10 yards and it's right on the money! again.. no fletching

Broadheads are about an inch low and 2 to the left. :bash: :bash: :bash:

Never had problems before... just threw a broadhead on spun it to check and golden..
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 24, 2013, 04:49:31 PM: set the bow down for a while and go back later, your getting frustrated. try moving back to 20 bare shafting. if you get it on at 20 your gonna be pretty good in most hunting situations.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: RadSav on May 24, 2013, 05:29:07 PM: Quote from: Johnb317 on May 24, 2013, 04:34:35 PM
I'm going crazy! broadhead/field point. Went so far as taking one of my arrows and stripping the fletching off of it.
Started at 3 feet and went out to 10 yards and it's right on the money! again.. no fletching

Broadheads are about an inch low and 2 to the left. :bash: :bash: :bash:

Never had problems before... just threw a broadhead on spun it to check and golden..

What fletching? How is it fletched (std. helical, max helical, offset)? What's your FOC%? Typical of Hoyt and new strings to get a small amount of high/low - easy to fix. Left/Right on the otherhand might be a bit more difficult if it's spine related. Broadhead alignment is a 1 in 1,000 problem. I would never worry about that. Might try swapping the arrows and see what happens. If it reverses you have some spline or nock related issues.

Could make life real easy on yourself and just get a Bowtech. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: RadSav on May 24, 2013, 05:48:46 PM: Another common thing guys run into after getting a bad group first try out of the box. The more you try to "See" what's going on the lower left you shoot (right handed). Concentrate of full back tension at release and follow through to a count of three without trying to watch the arrow flight. Sometimes it will surprise you.

Most Hoyt cams like to be tuned ever so slightly advanced in the upper cam. Not so much that you can feel a double tap on the draw stop, but advanced.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Johnb317 on May 24, 2013, 06:41:58 PM: Tried over several days. Thinking it was me, but my field points are consistent, and frustratingly the broadheads seem to be doing the same thing. (Low left)

Will look at the cam timing.

Thank you for your suggestions.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 24, 2013, 07:51:45 PM: Broadhead alignment makes a huge differnce. Tuned arrows are clutch for hunting. :twocents:
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Johnb317 on May 24, 2013, 08:10:09 PM: Sorry full helical, blazer 4fletch, whisker biscuit, using Beman 340, 26.25" shafts,100gr tips. Same as I've always shot.
Ill get my wife to watch the cam timing for me.
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: RadSav on May 24, 2013, 09:03:45 PM: Quote from: Johnb317 on May 24, 2013, 08:10:09 PM
Sorry full helical, blazer 4fletch, whisker biscuit, using Beman 340, 26.25" shafts,100gr tips. Same as I've always shot.
Ill get my wife to watch the cam timing for me.

I'm assuming ICS Hunter (non-camo) shafts? Should be good there! A little stiff and not Washington legal for hunting, but should be 10.1 or 10.8% FOC depending on how new the ViBrake insert is. Not bad at all. I'm also going to assume that this is the same bow you were shooting both perfectly with before the string change. :dunno: So if nothing but string change happened you can throw out all things related to arrow, broadhead, fletching, FOC, rest contact, etc. If those things were good before the new string they should be good now.

Cam timing, yoke balance, draw weight, nock height and serving diameter would then be the things to concentrate on. A lot of shops get in a hurry this time of year and forget to measure nock height and poundage before installing the new string. Pretty hard to get them back exactly like they were if you don't measure it first. Once you get the yoke balance and cam timing verified I'd try French or Walk Back tuning (modified French method). I find it more reliable than bare shaft and/or paper.

I expect it will be pretty simple once you get the timing and yoke good. Might take 100 or so shots to get that string settled in too. So I would put those shots through it before you take it to a shop for timing if needed. Good luck!
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: Johnb317 on May 24, 2013, 09:32:01 PM: The camo hunters aren't legal?! They weigh in at 417gr and my pull is 68lbs.

I will check out the French method and go from there.
If that doesn't work I'll take it back and ask Bill to do the work.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Field tips or broadheads??
Post by: RadSav on May 24, 2013, 11:13:50 PM: Quote from: Johnb317 on May 24, 2013, 09:32:01 PM
The camo hunters aren't legal?! They weigh in at 417gr and my pull is 68lbs.

I will check out the French method and go from there.
If that doesn't work I'll take it back and ask Bill to do the work.

Thank you!

Well I figured that might be the case. That's why I said, "I'm assuming ICS Hunter (non-camo) shafts?" Sorry my assumption was wrong. Camo Hunters @ 68# - Nice! :tup: That even gives you some cushion. Though then the FOC is less than 10%. Could get a little squirly in wind or rain. :twocents:

Other than that sounds like a pretty darned good setup. Probably just a simple timing and yoke tune and you will be right back where you were.