Post by: plugger on May 26, 2013, 09:31:23 AM
Post by: WSU on May 26, 2013, 09:51:16 AM
Post by: sumbeech66 on May 26, 2013, 10:49:11 AM
Post by: snowpack on May 26, 2013, 11:44:34 AM
I feel the same way about guides on the OP that let their clients kill the last few remaining wild steelhead.Quite a few of them do, wanting the return business I guess being the main motivator. I've heard WDFW has been trying to close it to retention for a while, but the Forks mayor went to the director and said it would end up devastating Forks--loss of fishing tourism and that local fisherman need that fish to survive the winter :rolleyes:. One fish per person will supposedly feed someone over the winter....not to mention most of those fish come in spring, and most of the town doesn't fish anyways. But all the hatchery steelhead that return to the traps and have been stripped are trucked to a lake and released.
Post by: Skillet on May 26, 2013, 12:34:40 PM
I thought I have read here the last couple days that the state has actually increased catch limits on walleye to thin them down a little?
That's in the Big C only. Irrigation canal reservoir and lake limits were left as-is.
Im a huge walleye fan, dont get me wrong - but I hardly think the exploitation rate of the walleye in Moses is even close to hurting the population. This based on commentary supported by the wdfw netting studies, however.
Post by: sumbeech66 on May 26, 2013, 02:32:25 PM
Post by: bwhntr350 on May 26, 2013, 03:13:24 PM
I feel the same way about guides on the OP that let their clients kill the last few remaining wild steelhead.Quite a few of them do, wanting the return business I guess being the main motivator. I've heard WDFW has been trying to close it to retention for a while, but the Forks mayor went to the director and said it would end up devastating Forks--loss of fishing tourism and that local fisherman need that fish to survive the winter :rolleyes:. One fish per person will supposedly feed someone over the winter....not to mention most of those fish come in spring, and most of the town doesn't fish anyways. But all the hatchery steelhead that return to the traps and have been stripped are trucked to a lake and released.
Huh? :dunno:
The better part of the amount of people that I still know in Forks fish for steelhead.
You guys all act like there are only 12 fish left in the rivers over there.
You're fighting the wrong battle :twocents:
Post by: Houndhunter on May 26, 2013, 03:21:00 PM
Post by: tmike on May 26, 2013, 03:42:13 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on May 26, 2013, 03:42:23 PM
Post by: bearpaw on May 26, 2013, 03:57:58 PM
If someone chooses to only catch and release that's fine, but I think it's unfair to expect fishing clients not to keep fish if there is a retention season open.
Post by: Dan-o on May 26, 2013, 04:13:59 PM
It's a pretty slippery slope when sportsmen start bashing other sportsmen for doing what is legal - but not being done the way they like it.
These things just seem to divide sportsmen.
What if I don't think variable power scopes are OK on high powered rifles? Or any scope? Or mags that hold more than 1 round????
IMHO, we as a community will be better off when we learn not to single out somebody who doesn't do it our way (as long as it's legal). Kind of like all of the sportsmen who didn't really like hound hunting so it didn't bother them to lose that ground. I'm not a hound hunter, but it bodes bad for us as a whole.
Post by: snowpack on May 26, 2013, 04:14:59 PM
When was the last time the Hoh made escapement?The national park recently shut down all the hoh in the park, even the park's section by the mouth to ALL recreational fishing, until fall. Can't even fish for trout. Said Chinook escapement is way too low and there's too much incidental by catch. The state's section of the river is open for hatchery Chinook....but there's no plants on that river, just a few that get lost looking for other rivers.
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Huh? :dunno:There are lots of folks in town that still fish, but I would say that most of the town doesn't anymore. Probably at least one person in nearly every family does, like a dad or uncle but for the most part not the rest of the family--just kind of what I've been seeing. Mostly, I was just kind of pointing out what the mayor said about how the town needed the fish to eat (one fish), but they truck tons of steelhead over to a lake and release them.
The better part of the amount of people that I still know in Forks fish for steelhead.
You guys all act like there are only 12 fish left in the rivers over there.
You're fighting the wrong battle :twocents:
Post by: bwhntr350 on May 26, 2013, 04:15:31 PM
If certain waters have a retention season why should clients of a guide not be allowed to keep fish when other fishers keep them? Just saying what's fair for one should be fair for all. I can see pros and cons regarding a fishing guide himself fishing while serving clients and have not formed an opinion on that particular issue.
If someone chooses to only catch and release that's fine, but I think it's unfair to expect fishing clients not to keep fish if there is a retention season open.
^ So accurate.
Years removed from Forks and steelhead fishing that was once a huge part of my life. I now bass fish. Way more laid back and relaxing and way less pressure. With that, I understand how people are concerned for something that they love, don't get me wrong. I do not kill them, but I have killed many, and when I go fish over there, which is rare, I plunk down on the Quillayute River. Directly across the river from me is a guy that I used to work with. Over a two day span, two years ago, I seen him catch and kill at least 7 fish.
So, between the outlaws and, in my opinion, the nets, there are other places to wage a battle than towards the guy that pays more than his fair share to have the right to take one fish home to his family.
Post by: jackelope on May 26, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on May 26, 2013, 04:38:55 PM
I don't necessarily have a problem with clients keeping fish. I do have a problem with guides allowing clients to keep limits for everyone in the boat though. If there's a guide and 2 clients, then there should be 2 limits. I also hope they know enough to release the big breeding females.
Throw in the fact that while maybe 1/2 or less of the non-guided anglers actually punch their one wild fish, but some guides/clients punch a limit day after day. And there are a ton of so-called guides- way more than 10-20 years ago when all the guides were locals well known to everybody.
Post by: bearpaw on May 26, 2013, 05:33:08 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on May 26, 2013, 05:38:25 PM
Walleye are an invasive species. Would be better for native fish if they were all gone.
:yeah:
Post by: snowpack on May 26, 2013, 06:22:56 PM
Guides are good for local economies and provide good outdoor opportunity for less active fishers or hunters. Some states do have laws preventing hunting guides from hunting while they have clients, I'm not sure if there are any similar laws regarding fishing guides with clients.Some states have laws that a guide can't retain a personal limit while hired. The boat can bring in a limit for the number of customers. The guide can still fish though.
Post by: Sneaky on May 26, 2013, 06:36:12 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on May 26, 2013, 07:01:39 PM
as for the coastal steelhead situation, that's a different ball of wax. those are fish that keep declining in numbers every year, and most of the guides around forks aren't locals(most come from seattle and tacoma, and there's been oregon and montana guides showing up the last few years). they're kind of like sea lions, the numbers need thinning to protect the fish.
Post by: walleye1 on May 26, 2013, 07:45:29 PM
Post by: Dan-o on May 26, 2013, 07:51:53 PM
Yeah let's get rid of all walleye and bass there both non native. Then we can all catch test tube trout, salmon and steelhead.
:yeah: Finally some common sense. :chuckle:
Post by: WSU on May 27, 2013, 10:13:37 AM
I'm always hesitant to blame someone for NOT breaking the rules.
It's a pretty slippery slope when sportsmen start bashing other sportsmen for doing what is legal - but not being done the way they like it.
These things just seem to divide sportsmen.
The difference is that continuing to bonk wild steelhead in a declining population isn't good for the resource. Shouldn't sportsmen advocate for healthy populations and better management, even if WDFW says it's legal (we all can think of many examples of WDFW mismanaging our resources)?
Or, should we treat them like the buffalo and sit quietly while others continue to kill them until they are gone, all in the name of not being divided?
Post by: plugger on May 27, 2013, 02:23:25 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 27, 2013, 02:47:16 PM
I feel the same way about guides on the OP that let their clients kill the last few remaining wild steelhead.:yeah: