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Title: Long range shooters
Post by: Bob Williams1 on May 31, 2013, 05:39:49 AM
Complete series on youtube Type in SNIPER 101 in the search bar and there are some fantastic videos that are very informative for learning how to shoot the long range targets.

Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: jasnt on June 12, 2013, 02:03:05 PM
Ya that's a great Chanel. I been watch it for a while now,very knowledgeable shooter
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Post by: calib on June 13, 2013, 06:53:37 PM
i'll have to take a look
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: MadHatter on June 19, 2013, 01:14:48 PM
I started watching his stuff, and couldn't get a few thoughts out of my head...

1. Who is this guy and what are some of his credentials? I mean there is nothing wrong with telling people "My background in long range shooting is that I am..........." A little bit of knowledge of who you are, where you come from on the topic and what makes you qualified to talk about it goes a long way.

2. The shots he is showing could be nothing more than clever editing on walked in shots... Even the worst shooter, given 100rds and enough time could potentially make a long range shot by walking in the shots...

3. What he is talking about can very easily be taken from books and regurgitated as his own... All the seems to show is the same 2min loop of him and his buddies making these extreme long range shots... over and over and over and over and over...

Maybe he is legit... But there just seems to be something about his info, the way he presents it that doesn't seem right...  :dunno:
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: Fl0und3rz on June 19, 2013, 01:23:19 PM
I started watching his stuff, and couldn't get a few thoughts out of my head...

1. Who is this guy and what are some of his credentials? I mean there is nothing wrong with telling people "My background in long range shooting is that I am..........." A little bit of knowledge of who you are, where you come from on the topic and what makes you qualified to talk about it goes a long way.

2. The shots he is showing could be nothing more than clever editing on walked in shots... Even the worst shooter, given 100rds and enough time could potentially make a long range shot by walking in the shots...

3. What he is talking about can very easily be taken from books and regurgitated as his own... All the seems to show is the same 2min loop of him and his buddies making these extreme long range shots... over and over and over and over and over...

Maybe he is legit... But there just seems to be something about his info, the way he presents it that doesn't seem right...  :dunno:

Maybe he stayed in a Holiday Inn Express?
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: MadHatter on June 19, 2013, 07:48:37 PM
I started watching his stuff, and couldn't get a few thoughts out of my head...

1. Who is this guy and what are some of his credentials? I mean there is nothing wrong with telling people "My background in long range shooting is that I am..........." A little bit of knowledge of who you are, where you come from on the topic and what makes you qualified to talk about it goes a long way.

2. The shots he is showing could be nothing more than clever editing on walked in shots... Even the worst shooter, given 100rds and enough time could potentially make a long range shot by walking in the shots...

3. What he is talking about can very easily be taken from books and regurgitated as his own... All the seems to show is the same 2min loop of him and his buddies making these extreme long range shots... over and over and over and over and over...

Maybe he is legit... But there just seems to be something about his info, the way he presents it that doesn't seem right...  :dunno:

Maybe he stayed in a Holiday Inn Express?

Probably...  :chuckle:

I don't know... I am probably just being overly suspicious... Just something seems wrong, just doesn't really feel right and I can't put my finger on why.
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: MichaelJ on June 19, 2013, 08:13:00 PM
Phone isn't working well so I only caught one of his cleaning videos for a few seconds and I don't agree with his method of using brushes. I've gotten better and much more consistent results by going brushless and rarely clean for copper anymore.

Also anybody that claims to be a "sniper" without showing creds is questionable. Long range shooter sure why,not? The other...???

Mike

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Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: MadHatter on June 22, 2013, 12:59:57 PM
Phone isn't working well so I only caught one of his cleaning videos for a few seconds and I don't agree with his method of using brushes. I've gotten better and much more consistent results by going brushless and rarely clean for copper anymore.

Also anybody that claims to be a "sniper" without showing creds is questionable. Long range shooter sure why,not? The other...???

Mike

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Yeah I saw that... I stopped cleaning for copper as well in my long range rigs... I generally just bore snake them while hot, and put them away. If they are going to sit any longer than 2 weeks I will oil patch them.  When I go to the range I will put 2 fouling shots down the bore before doing anything precision related, or shooting for score...

Yeah, I don't know why it bugs me so bad, but something about not having a back story just makes it all seem so fake...  :dunno:
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: Wazukie on June 22, 2013, 01:15:38 PM
So...are his methods improper or is just that he claims to be a sniper?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: MichaelJ on June 22, 2013, 01:44:04 PM
So...are his methods improper or is just that he claims to be a sniper?  :dunno:

His shooting methods seem solid, his cleaning method is frowned upon by the shooting community. Use a quality cleaner and quit using brushes on your barrel and you'll ensure max bore life. Patches only and only clean for copper when you see accuracy start dropping off (groups opening up).

As far as the whole 'sniper' thing goes, it's coming off more "tacticool" than anything and a lot of guys will write him off without showing his creds.

Mike

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Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: MadHatter on June 22, 2013, 02:23:59 PM
So...are his methods improper or is just that he claims to be a sniper?  :dunno:

His words are sound... But that is the problem, there is no real demonstration of them or anything to back them up... Meaning I can go buy 10 books from barnes and noble and become an expert at sounding like an expert...

There are also several videos that are just suspect... The link here is to a 1236yd shot... Where he put the first, cold bore shot on a 2 3/8"x6" target (16oz beer can)... That is .1MOA on a cold bore shot at 1236yds.  Also, if you watch the shot, the can falls in front of the target... While when he gets to the target he picks the can up from behind the target. 

The other problem I have is that he takes his yardage that he DIALS IN from a GPS.  Civilian handheld GPS generally has an error of ~30', give or take... At that distance, that is the difference between 1click at 3.8" and 4.3" (He uses MILS) So just in the GPS error he has 1/2" of (unknown) error, or at those distances definitely the difference between a hit and a miss... Especially since the hole he shows in the can is just about 1/2" from the bottom...

http://youtu.be/emJ0RToUYGE (http://youtu.be/emJ0RToUYGE)

And that is just one video that I looked at...
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: Wazukie on June 22, 2013, 04:58:26 PM
Well...ok...I watched that video and you are quite right about suspicions. That would be one heck of a shot though.  I have a hard enough time keeping them with in 18" at 1000 meters.  Don't shoot that far much though.  Usually I only stay at 300-500.
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: mountainman on June 22, 2013, 09:39:18 PM
I too never use a brush. The shot at 1200+? Definetly do- able, even repetitive, with a good shooter and a good gun....
Title: Re: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: MadHatter on June 22, 2013, 09:51:50 PM
I too never use a brush. The shot at 1200+? Definetly do- able, even repetitive, with a good shooter and a good gun....

Doable, totally... Even repeatable... But I don't believe this guy actually made that shot.

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Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: mountainman on June 22, 2013, 10:11:17 PM
Agreed! Don't buy it at all!
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: mountainman on June 23, 2013, 07:44:08 PM
Many out there on YouTube, and some here on HW even, will talk the talk, brag the brag, but in reality, can't perform or prove or backup what they claim. I know one guy who slams scopes other then Nightforce, but never will post a pic of a weapon owned by him with one mounted..? And we all know someone who makes those long shots on game, but never a proven witness? You can accomplish great things from a computer keyboard and some fancy editing!! Lol! But most can see thru it!
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 23, 2013, 07:52:14 PM
Indeed true. I tell you what, I have made 3 shots right at or just over 500 yards with a rifle on game animals. It's not easy. I am not a great rifle shot by any means and it takes a lot to get great. You have people that buy turrets mount them on there gun shoot it in at 100 and go hunt and take shots at 1k. Sad to see really. I know a few great shots that put me to shame. I feel good keeping them on a pie plate at 500. Doesn't sound like much but to me it is LOL. I don't get a chance to pack a rifle to much but when I do I love clicking turrets :chuckle:
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: Wazukie on June 23, 2013, 07:53:01 PM
Nightforce cost to much, I like my BSA   :tup:

To be fare to the thread, I'd never even try to take an animal past 400 yards(Maybe a yote).  I practice out to 500 all year long and sometimes out to 800, but that is just milk jugs.  And then clays out to 300 with the .17 hmr
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: mountainman on June 23, 2013, 07:56:36 PM
Cool looking Handi rifle Wazukie!
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 23, 2013, 07:58:57 PM
That is one sexy handi!!! You would laugh at ours. We have one in a 243 and it has killed 5 first deer and taken a few beatings topped with a old redfield.
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: Wazukie on June 23, 2013, 08:00:35 PM
I have a .223 also that if I can find that .243 barrel, it will become a youth loaner rifle.  They are fun for sure.
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 23, 2013, 08:06:58 PM
Indeed, that hammer extender sure makes it sweet. I remember fighting under that old redfield to get the hammer back on my first deer LOL.
Title: Re: Long range shooters
Post by: Eric M on January 25, 2016, 08:49:00 PM
I am bumping this thread. Some guys on here may find some of this guys information useful. I was going to start a new thread mentioning him. Regarding suspicions from previous (although 2 years old) comments. One poster said his cleaning method with a brush is frowned upon in the shooting community. That seems to be true in the civilian community. In the military, most of us learn to clean with a brush. This may be where this came from.
Anyway, I don't know if this guy is "for real" or not, but he has posted 80 some tutorial videos for free (and continues to post) and there is some good information to be had, although some may find it a little dry. He's not claiming to be anything other than someone who enjoys long range shooting. I have learned a thing or two so far. My :twocents:
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