Post by: Bofire on June 15, 2013, 08:49:36 PM
Carl
Post by: Jolten on June 15, 2013, 08:52:25 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 15, 2013, 08:54:51 PM
Hopefully you're not shooting at anything bigger then a coyote with 55gr.
Then you Sir would flat be shocked at what I would take on with a .243 and a 55gr pill.👍
Post by: Jolten on June 15, 2013, 08:59:13 PM
Post by: Jolten on June 15, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
Post by: Bofire on June 15, 2013, 09:06:00 PM
thanks
Carl
Post by: Jolten on June 15, 2013, 09:10:22 PM
Post by: Jolten on June 15, 2013, 09:25:02 PM
Post by: dscubame on June 15, 2013, 09:26:56 PM
Do you have ballistic info for me to look at? It would help
Did you even read the question????
Post by: dscubame on June 15, 2013, 09:28:58 PM
Hopefully you're not shooting at anything bigger then a coyote with 55gr.
Then you Sir would flat be shocked at what I would take on with a .243 and a 55gr pill.👍
And even a lighter .22 to support Bigger even more......
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 15, 2013, 09:30:17 PM
Hopefully you're not shooting at anything bigger then a coyote with 55gr.
Then you Sir would flat be shocked at what I would take on with a .243 and a 55gr pill.👍
That's a fact Landon. I've been down this road more than once on a forum, instead of arguing folks need to try em for themselves. I have a ould hunt bucks anytime anywhere with a 55 BT @ 4000. Perty similar results as my 257 Roy...
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 15, 2013, 09:31:55 PM
Post by: mountainman on June 15, 2013, 09:38:54 PM
Hopefully you're not shooting at anything bigger then a coyote with 55gr.
Then you Sir would flat be shocked at what I would take on with a .243 and a 55gr pill.👍
That's a fact Landon. I've been down this road more than once on a forum, instead of arguing folks need to try em for themselves. I have a ould hunt bucks anytime anywhere with a 55 BT @ 4000. Perty similar results as my 257 Roy...
I have, with good results, but there are better choices
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 15, 2013, 09:48:23 PM
Hopefully you're not shooting at anything bigger then a coyote with 55gr.
Then you Sir would flat be shocked at what I would take on with a .243 and a 55gr pill.👍
That's a fact Landon. I've been down this road more than once on a forum, instead of arguing folks need to try em for themselves. I have a ould hunt bucks anytime anywhere with a 55 BT @ 4000. Perty similar results as my 257 Roy...
I have, with good results, but there are better choices
Good, I like 55's, and ill continue to use em...
Post by: mountainman on June 15, 2013, 09:49:30 PM
Post by: Jolten on June 15, 2013, 09:51:31 PM
Also I didn't say it couldn't be done but haven't found a 55gr load that I would use due to my own personal standards.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 15, 2013, 09:53:07 PM
Post by: Jolten on June 15, 2013, 09:56:21 PM
Good luck getting the answer your looking to OP.
Post by: dscubame on June 15, 2013, 10:01:03 PM
Guess trying to provide the most accurate answer to his question and stating in my opinion I personally wouldn't use a 55gr bullet on anything bigger then a coyote makes me the wrong person for this conversation.
Good luck getting the answer your looking to OP.
Young grasshopper you have much to learn about these parts.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 15, 2013, 10:04:05 PM
Post by: Jolten on June 15, 2013, 10:07:31 PM
Post by: mountainman on June 15, 2013, 10:13:48 PM
Guess trying to provide the most accurate answer to his question and stating in my opinion I personally wouldn't use a 55gr bullet on anything bigger then a coyote makes me the wrong person for this conversation.
Good luck getting the answer your looking to OP.
Applaud you stated limits in regard to this discussion. You, and the majority of ethical hunters realize that yes, under good conditions, a 55 BT is a bolt of lightning on deer sized critters, it is not ideal for the majority of conditions. Yes, there are better choices out there for 99% of those conditions. And as ethical hunters, we have the obligation to stick to what works best under less then ideal conditions, not just the perfect broadside shot. If you limit to just that, you miss many opportunities. Yes, many will argue otherwise, but they are the minority, thank goodness...
:tup:
Post by: dscubame on June 15, 2013, 10:28:08 PM
Really doubting by your arrogance that you could really teach me much of anything. :twocents: :sry:
I won't be doing any teaching. Re-read this thread in a few months and you may understand my response. Cheers. :brew:
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 16, 2013, 12:30:00 PM
It also all depends on the animal, I've dropped some quicker with a .243 and a 87gr Hornady than I have with a .300 Win Mag and a 180 Nosler. Same range, close to the same hit. Animals are no different than people. You can smack one guy on the chin and down he goes and the next mops the floor with your sorry hindend.
Post by: Forks on June 16, 2013, 01:19:34 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 16, 2013, 02:19:50 PM
Post by: Don Fischer on June 16, 2013, 03:43:20 PM
:) :) You guys who have used or do use these, compared to the 100 grain. What diference do you notice at given ranges? 100 yards? I would think the 55 would be lower at 100 to be on at 200. Anyway if you have tried them what did you notice about grouping? thanks
Carl
Maybe and maybe not. Have you considered shooting them to find out?
Post by: mountainman on June 16, 2013, 04:53:38 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 16, 2013, 05:09:28 PM
Post by: Bofire on June 16, 2013, 05:40:16 PM
thanks to you guys who have tried both in a 243.
Carl
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 17, 2013, 06:27:19 PM
i shoot both 90 and 95 grainers from mine and it works killler... :chuckle:
best way to see how different they will shoot is to try some out. if i had some 55 grainers i would send them your way to try.
shootersproshop.com has some 55 grain ballistic tip varmint right now for a good deal...
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 17, 2013, 06:32:07 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 17, 2013, 07:14:51 PM
Oh bull blaster, are you sure you seen that? You must be like me and haven't killed many animals? Grin:chuckle:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 17, 2013, 07:31:52 PM
Post by: mountainman on June 17, 2013, 08:26:37 PM
:) :) You guys who have used or do use these, compared to the 100 grain. What diference do you notice at given ranges? 100 yards? I would think the 55 would be lower at 100 to be on at 200. Anyway if you have tried them what did you notice about grouping? thanks
Carl
Yes, Bofire, you are correct, with 200 yard. Zero on both, the 55 would be flatter at 100, albeit nominally. The lighter bullet would be flatter to mid- long range, then the heavier bullet will start to drop less at incremental ranges..
Post by: mountainman on June 17, 2013, 08:36:27 PM
i agree that the 243 has some serious killing power! i have seen what 55 grainers will do to big muleys and it is impressive.
i shoot both 90 and 95 grainers from mine and it works killler... :chuckle:
best way to see how different they will shoot is to try some out. if i had some 55 grainers i would send them your way to try.
shootersproshop.com has some 55 grain ballistic tip varmint right now for a good deal...
As have I. To include a dozen or so bears, 30+ deer, several elk with bullets 55 and up from the 243. Along with several bear and deer with the 22-250 and the Swift. And yes, spectacular kills all! But they were all carefully placed shots from and accurate gun and un aware animals. We have to disclaim to those new to the sport and shooting animals here on this site and others, that will read comments and believe this is the cure all for any animal they may begin to hunt. In the right hands, under the right conditions...yes, awesome round. But beginners will be better served with something with a little more forgiveness, so to speak, on maybe a less then perfect shot..rib bone hit, shoulder blade hit, sharp quartering shot, etc...as for unethical, that was to the comments of people that just fill the animal a lot of holes, just the same as a well place shot? No, it's not.....
Post by: rynokron on June 17, 2013, 08:52:19 PM
:) geeeeeeez, I just wondered about personal experience with the two weight/same sighting. I have manuals/programs etc to read predicted trajectories. 100 -vs- 55, any change in sight settings? horizontal , vertical or both??When my .243 was sighted in for 100 grain bullets it would hit high and to the right when I shot 58 grain Vmax through it. Mine groups much better with the lighter loads and it's my go to coyote gun so I now have it sighted in for the 58's and plan to leave it there. Since I already own a 30-06 I don't have to worry about being under gunned for bigger game. :rolleyes:
thanks to you guys who have tried both in a 243.
Carl
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 17, 2013, 08:56:37 PM
Post by: demontang on June 17, 2013, 09:02:39 PM
55gr to 500grs, dead is dead. For those with a little less trigger time in the real world on fur and hair. Speed kills, no and's, ifs, what's or but's. There isn't much in North America I wouldn't take on with a .223 Remington and mag or mag box full of 60gr Partitions. Holes kill chit, that's as simple as it gets. 10 holes from a .22 long rifle or 1 from a .450 Ultra Magnum. Dead is dead!I have to agree I have noticed that the 180 bt flat kills out of my 338 but my 223 with the 52gr nosler flat kills too
It also all depends on the animal, I've dropped some quicker with a .243 and a 87gr Hornady than I have with a .300 Win Mag and a 180 Nosler. Same range, close to the same hit. Animals are no different than people. You can smack one guy on the chin and down he goes and the next mops the floor with your sorry hindend.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 17, 2013, 09:08:01 PM
agreed, no caliber or gun can be a cure all. care should be taken to make the best shot possible no matter how big the number in your gun is. also agree with hammer.i agree that the 243 has some serious killing power! i have seen what 55 grainers will do to big muleys and it is impressive.
i shoot both 90 and 95 grainers from mine and it works killler... :chuckle:
best way to see how different they will shoot is to try some out. if i had some 55 grainers i would send them your way to try.
shootersproshop.com has some 55 grain ballistic tip varmint right now for a good deal...
As have I. To include a dozen or so bears, 30+ deer, several elk with bullets 55 and up from the 243. Along with several bear and deer with the 22-250 and the Swift. And yes, spectacular kills all! But they were all carefully placed shots from and accurate gun and un aware animals. We have to disclaim to those new to the sport and shooting animals here on this site and others, that will read comments and believe this is the cure all for any animal they may begin to hunt. In the right hands, under the right conditions...yes, awesome round. But beginners will be better served with something with a little more forgiveness, so to speak, on maybe a less then perfect shot..rib bone hit, shoulder blade hit, sharp quartering shot, etc...as for unethical, that was to the comments of people that just fill the animal a lot of holes, just the same as a well place shot? No, it's not.....
Post by: mountainman on June 18, 2013, 10:03:51 PM