Post by: CementFinisher on June 23, 2013, 02:10:54 AM
How would it be found invalid for an individual or circumstance? The initiative already spelled out meeting the national standard so that would take care of felonies and such.
Also in a prior thread about I594 "which i could not find again" there was talk about filing a competitive initiative. the date of the thread made me believe that these could not be the same initiative because i 591 was filed may 23rd Is there another one coming out?
Post by: huntrights on June 24, 2013, 09:00:01 AM
This is a pro-gun initiative. We need to support this with all of our effort.
http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_471.pdf
Ballot Title
Initiative Measure No. 591 concerns firearms.
This measure would prohibit government agencies from confiscating guns or other firearms from citizens without due process, or from requiring background checks on firearm recipients unless a uniform national standard is required.
Ballot Measure Summary
This measure would declare that it is unlawful for any government agency to confiscate guns or other firearms from citizens without due process, or to require background checks on the recipient of a firearm unless a uniform national standard is required.
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Here is the link to the initiative we should all be extremely concerned about.
This is the anti-gun initiative. We need to defeat this initiative.
Initiative Measure No. 594 - filed June 17, 2013
AN ACT Relating to requiring criminal and public safety background checks for gun sales and transfers.
http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_483.pdf
Ballot Title
Initiative Measure No. 594 concerns background checks for gun sales and transfers.
This measure would apply the background-check requirements currently used for gun sales by licensed dealers to all gun sales and transfers, with specific exceptions, and require the checks be conducted through licensed dealers.
Ballot Measure Summary
Current law requires background checks before a person may purchase a gun from a licensed dealer. This measure would extend this requirement to all gun purchases and transfers in Washington with specific exceptions, e.g., transfers within families, temporary transfers for self-defense and hunting, and antiques. Licensed firearms dealers would conduct the background checks and could charge a fee. It would allow additional background-check time for pistol purchases. Violation of these requirements would be a crime.
Post by: csaaphill on June 24, 2013, 09:09:31 PM
Here is the link to I-591 (PROTECT OUR GUN RIGHTS):gun ctrl rerisen? or is this the one to come to the people?
This is a pro-gun initiative.
http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_471.pdf
Here is the link to the initiative we should all be extremely concerned about.
This is the anti-gun initiative:
Initiative Measure No. 594 - filed June 17, 2013
AN ACT Relating to requiring criminal and public safety background checks for gun sales and transfers.
http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_483.pdf
Post by: huntrights on June 24, 2013, 09:56:40 PM
http://sos.wa.gov/elections/referenda2013.aspx (http://sos.wa.gov/elections/referenda2013.aspx)
There are two types of initiatives:
• Initiatives to the People, if certified to have sufficient signatures, are submitted for a vote of the people at the next state general election.
• Initiatives to the Legislature (http://sos.wa.gov/elections/initiatives/Initiatives.aspx?y=2013&t=l), if certified, are submitted to the Legislature at its next regular session in January. Once submitted, the Legislature must take one of the following three actions:
1.The Legislature can adopt the initiative as proposed, in which case it becomes law without a vote of the people;
2.The Legislature can reject or refuse to act on the proposed initiative, in which case the initiative must be placed on the ballot at the next state general election; or
3.The Legislature can approve an alternative to the proposed initiative, in which case both the original proposal and the Legislature's alternative must be placed on the ballot at the next state general election.
Post by: Hermannr on June 24, 2013, 10:21:16 PM
So after reading the short initiative 591 what the hell does section 4 mean or in what situation it would fit? If any provision of this act or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the remainder of the act or the application of the provision to other persons or circumstances is not affected. ?
This is a standard severance clause that is included in all properly written legislation. What it means is: If one part falls in the courts, the rest will still stand. One ruling cannot not kill the whole law, only the part that is challenged.
Post by: CementFinisher on June 24, 2013, 10:47:15 PM
Post by: Dave Workman on June 26, 2013, 08:05:32 PM
So after reading the short initiative 591 what the hell does section 4 mean or in what situation it would fit? If any provision of this act or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the remainder of the act or the application of the provision to other persons or circumstances is not affected.
How would it be found invalid for an individual or circumstance? The initiative already spelled out meeting the national standard so that would take care of felonies and such.
Also in a prior thread about I594 "which i could not find again" there was talk about filing a competitive initiative. the date of the thread made me believe that these could not be the same initiative because i 591 was filed may 23rd Is there another one coming out?
It's all here:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,127596.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,127596.0.html)