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Title: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 11:44:40 AM: I know we have some fishing in Washington but Salmon are my main concern . All the rules and closures are seriously hurting us and our youth ..I find it So sad when a person lives right in the heart of some of the finest rivers in Washington and the state continues to close out fishing down . The tribal fishing has to stop or they need to give us part of their quota So we can enjoy the resources too ! Maybe we need to come up with some kinda petition and send it off to the Government ...The state is so broke but they continue to push on and take away more than we are receiving ..How can it be So difficult for them to realize how much fishing has an impact on the local economy . More so than say hunting ...a lot more people fish than hunt ...I8f they want money then they need to pull their head out of their butts and state MANAGING our resources ..My biggest complaint is (QUOTA ) once they receive the quotas they want in the hatchery they should open up recreational fishing in the rivers where they know more fish are coming .The traps at Baker Dam have been getting some good returns and I just can not see how they can give us a season one year and shove it in our face the next ...If they receive the fish they need then it should be fair game for us to catch fish and help out the economy ...This year would be a prime year for them to collect some revenue from fishermen and give the local businesses a boost to recover from all the misspending this state has created ...A buddy of mine takes his kids fishing the other day ...Just little kids ....He puts out a couple salmon rods and has the boys practicing casting with their spinning reels ...the wardens come and check them out and sees the boys are fishing with extra poles :yike:
yeah I GUESS it was his fault for letting them do that :dunno: So they write my buddy a ticket for $87 ..fishing with extra poles ...yes I know they done wrong according to the laws but my point is why keep pestering the kids ! If these kids could be fishing and enjoying themselves this county I live in would be a much better place to live ....I am really getting sick of it all ....Then the officer tells him ( thanks for taking your kids fishing ) Again the only 3 people standing on the bank of the river trying to enjoy a day of quality time with your children ! AND MIND YOU .....The nets go in today :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
I need a stiff one right now ! :yeah:
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: Mfowl on June 25, 2013, 12:45:54 PM: I agree we should be able to fish with multiple rods on our salmon and steelhead fisheries provided we have the 2 pole endorsement. So long as people aren't exceeding their limit I don't see the problem. Its too bad we the sporties have to bare the brunt of decreasing opportunities while the kill nets ravage whats left of our fish stocks. I am still mourning the loss of my favorite summer fishery in Elliott Bay!
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: npaull on June 25, 2013, 12:57:50 PM: Native netting isn't helping for sure. The hatcheries have also been proven (again and again) to *reduce* total fish numbers, and yet for some reason people keep pushing them... They are a totally asinine, money-wasting, fish-hurting program that should be stopped. We should eliminate all hatcheries and focus on preserving and improving the habitat. This region has the potential to produce absolutely astronomical numbers of fish if the habitat is good.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: Practical Approach on June 25, 2013, 01:03:07 PM: Quote from: npaull on June 25, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
Native netting isn't helping for sure. The hatcheries have also been proven (again and again) to *reduce* total fish numbers, and yet for some reason people keep pushing them... They are a totally asinine, money-wasting, fish-hurting program that should be stopped. We should eliminate all hatcheries and focus on preserving and improving the habitat. This region has the potential to produce absolutely astronomical numbers of fish if the habitat is good.

Could you please post or point the group to your source for hatcheries reducing total fish numbers? I had not heard they were an issue.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: snowpack on June 25, 2013, 01:08:04 PM: I've read in the past that it is suspected that 80% of the fish destined for Washington are caught while in Alaska or off the coast of BC. So, we only get the last 20% or so to split up. There was a case not too long ago about a seafood company in Seattle that had the scales set wrongly on its trawlers--the scales would read about 30% of actual weight on one. So, just one company was actually taking up to more than 3 times its quota. >:(
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2021090866_sundaybuzz02xml.html (http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2021090866_sundaybuzz02xml.html)
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: Antlershed on June 25, 2013, 01:10:42 PM: Quote from: Practical Approach on June 25, 2013, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: npaull on June 25, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
Native netting isn't helping for sure. The hatcheries have also been proven (again and again) to *reduce* total fish numbers, and yet for some reason people keep pushing them... They are a totally asinine, money-wasting, fish-hurting program that should be stopped. We should eliminate all hatcheries and focus on preserving and improving the habitat. This region has the potential to produce absolutely astronomical numbers of fish if the habitat is good.

Could you please post or point the group to your source for hatcheries reducing total fish numbers? I had not heard they were an issue.
Probably the Native Fish Society :rolleyes:
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: Bullkllr on June 25, 2013, 01:20:41 PM: Quote from: Practical Approach on June 25, 2013, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: npaull on June 25, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
Native netting isn't helping for sure. The hatcheries have also been proven (again and again) to *reduce* total fish numbers, and yet for some reason people keep pushing them... They are a totally asinine, money-wasting, fish-hurting program that should be stopped. We should eliminate all hatcheries and focus on preserving and improving the habitat. This region has the potential to produce absolutely astronomical numbers of fish if the habitat is good.

Could you please post or point the group to your source for hatcheries reducing total fish numbers? I had not heard they were an issue.

There are a lot of studies that show in most cases hatchery stocking reduces wild fish numbers.
I do not think there is any information to support hatchery stocking reduces numbers of hatchery fish, which would have to be included in total fish numbers.
In the present, we would have almost no fishing for salmon/steelhead if it were not for hatchery supplementation. In the long run, healthy runs of wild fish are probably a far better goal. For the forseeable future, some kind of balance between the two must is the only realistic conclusion.

So many issues at work here; drives me crazy when people try to simplify it to a single issue/cause.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 01:37:07 PM: I agree there is more than one issue ..But the biggest issue is commercial fishing ...we have raked the source for So many years and expect things to recover by continuing to do what caused it :dunno: :chuckle: For the amount of tributaries in Washington you would think we would be one of the most reliable resources on the planet ...Greed has killed this state ...nothing managed but money ...We should be enjoying live at it best by fishing and hunting ...especially being a western state ...Pretty sad the east coast has better management programs than the Great NW ... just makes a guy sick and now they are making things even worse ...What does a guy do ? Start raising some hell .. I can not imagine what it will be like when my boys hit 40 ....
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: Special T on June 25, 2013, 01:49:22 PM: Unfortunatly this has more to do with $$$ and power than salmon. The skagit valley is a perfect example. The Swinomish tribe is attmepting to prevent any new wells in the skagit watershed from being drilled. They feel that ALL of the water moving down the vally is part of the river and part of tribal water rights. This is under the guise of protecting salmon but has a lot more to do with $$$ from mitigation and such.

I think you will find that many fights will be over water in the future, here and elsewhere. It is the one area that afects us all and allows the state to reach into every part of our life.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: nwlynx22 on June 25, 2013, 01:50:56 PM: Hatcheries have provided many opportunities that would have otherwise been closed. Also they (hatcheries) can provide real time data on wild fish passing upstream and that data is not included in funding and that info goes towards season setting and quota. These issues will not be solved with less netting or other common blame games. We need to shut down areas on a rotation to naturally build the stocks up while not the most popular it would work. No removal of fish equals a 100% increase in spawning abilities. The only provision that would be helpful to netting comm. or native would be a zero by-catch rule.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 02:06:46 PM: You sure can not tell that the whiteman is top dog in this country now days ...huh ? The tribes have more power and money than the White man ..if they gave us some then I would not be So peeeesed off :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 02:11:32 PM: Quote from: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 02:06:46 PM
You sure can not tell that the whiteman is top dog in this country now days ...huh ? The tribes have more power and money than the White man ..if they gave us some then I would not be So peeeesed off :dunno: :chuckle:

The part that you are missing is that the "whiteman" harvests our fish in the sound, the straits, Washington's ocean, and then alaska for 2 to 6 years before they return and run the gauntlet again in hopes of making to the river. Your share of "their quota" is caught in all of the above fisheries, and then some.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 02:25:43 PM: thanks for throwing that in :chuckle:
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: Dustin07 on June 25, 2013, 03:02:13 PM: Quote from: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 01:37:07 PM
...What does a guy do ? Start raising some hell .. I can not imagine what it will be like when my boys hit 40 ....

how about calling the game department and taking up some volunteer opportunities, or starting your own salmon farm to compete with wild caught. or ride a bike instead of driving since oil run off is killing some waterways like Hood Canal.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: snowpack on June 25, 2013, 03:06:09 PM: Oil run off killing Hood Canal? I know they get times of oxygen depletion that kills off huge parts of the canal, but where are you reading about oil?
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: Dustin07 on June 25, 2013, 03:13:04 PM: Quote from: snowpack on June 25, 2013, 03:06:09 PM
Oil run off killing Hood Canal? I know they get times of oxygen depletion that kills off huge parts of the canal, but where are you reading about oil?

I'm sorry, I mean pollution/runoff in general. But there are lots of documents/articles regarding the damage of runoff on our waters.
http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/eap/wrias/Planning/docs/wria16_14_underthehood.pdf (http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/eap/wrias/Planning/docs/wria16_14_underthehood.pdf)
Hood Canal is just one observation, one that is particularly sensitive to Oxy-related issues.
http://county.wsu.edu/mason/nrs/water/Documents/Hood_Canal_Pledge.pdf (http://county.wsu.edu/mason/nrs/water/Documents/Hood_Canal_Pledge.pdf)

http://www.mypugetsound.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=110&Itemid=211 (http://www.mypugetsound.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=110&Itemid=211)
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 03:17:08 PM: Quote from: Dustin07 on June 25, 2013, 03:02:13 PM
Quote from: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 01:37:07 PM
...What does a guy do ? Start raising some hell .. I can not imagine what it will be like when my boys hit 40 ....

how about calling the game department and taking up some volunteer opportunities, or starting your own salmon farm to compete with wild caught. or ride a bike instead of driving since oil run off is killing some waterways like Hood Canal.
I guarantee you if it was for our benefit to volunteer my time I would be all over it ...as far as volunteering to help tribal fishing ...FORGET IT !
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: Dustin07 on June 25, 2013, 03:34:31 PM: complaining does seem more effective.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: singleshot12 on June 25, 2013, 08:21:13 PM: Quote from: Dustin07 on June 25, 2013, 03:34:31 PM
complaining does seem more effective.

That's all 99% of fishermen do! they complain!

Join and support CCA they are the only voice we have working politically on our side. Commercial fishermen have I don't know how many groups working for them to ensure they come out on top.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 08:40:11 PM: Yeah ,,, but I complain to the people who need to hear it :dunno: :chuckle: I get tired of writing letters ...do you guys ever write and complain ? :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: singleshot12 on June 25, 2013, 08:53:43 PM: Sure they need to hear But does it do any good if it falls on deaf ears :dunno: :chuckle: You know the saying "money talks bullscat walks"

But I see what you're saying BH, if even half of us would take the time and write things could change, i know there are still a couple dfw commissioners who listen.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: ctwiggs1 on June 26, 2013, 07:31:11 AM: :cryriver:

I agree with you 1000%!!!! Gamies need to do more to protect our resource!!!

:yike: :yike: :yike: THEY WERE SALMON FISHING :yike: :yike: :yike:

Those kids should have EACH gotten a $500 ticket for poaching -- it's poachers like them that are hurting our resource and they should have had their licenses revoked for a year as well.

That Gamie was pretty darn lenient for not taking pops to jail and sending kids to child services! Good job to him for his excellent demonstration of grace!

:IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

Curtis
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: woodswalker on June 26, 2013, 07:42:41 AM: Well, its not EXACTLY salmon fishing...but the last 3 stream habitat enhancement projects have resulted in the creeks being placed off limits for all fishing...so far none have re-opened.

Officially its to 'let it recover' but some are going on a decade of recover now...so it feels like a land grab for the Greens. Same with the closure/bedding or obliterating roads that seems to be SO popular (see Wild Sky - most of the land meets NONE of the stated requirements for "Wilderness" yet its getting shut off...unless you have lots of spare time to hike into the lakes, creeks etc. Used to be a 2 hour hike to some fav trout lakes...now its an all day project just to GET to them. If you WORK for a living...makes it tough to get out.

With that sort of track record, I'm understandably leery of volunteering more time so that I can get shut out of MORE land. I wont EVEN get into the Tribal fishing, being held at arms to take my film and the wastage.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: Hurricane on June 26, 2013, 11:53:21 AM: It is sad that this state will do nothing until its to late. Look at the sturgeon. I am tired of this state not wanting to do what is right. Stop the netting or better yet stop all fishing for 4 years and it would rebound like no other. When there is nets strung across the river the fish don't have a chance. No one is there to police the natives on what they take and no one ever will. They don't care about protecting the species they just want their money.
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2013, 12:12:02 PM: Quote from: woodswalker on June 26, 2013, 07:42:41 AM
Well, its not EXACTLY salmon fishing...but the last 3 stream habitat enhancement projects have resulted in the creeks being placed off limits for all fishing...so far none have re-opened.

Officially its to 'let it recover' but some are going on a decade of recover now...so it feels like a land grab for the Greens. Same with the closure/bedding or obliterating roads that seems to be SO popular (see Wild Sky - most of the land meets NONE of the stated requirements for "Wilderness" yet its getting shut off...unless you have lots of spare time to hike into the lakes, creeks etc. Used to be a 2 hour hike to some fav trout lakes...now its an all day project just to GET to them. If you WORK for a living...makes it tough to get out.

With that sort of track record, I'm understandably leery of volunteering more time so that I can get shut out of MORE land. I wont EVEN get into the Tribal fishing, being held at arms to take my film and the wastage.
:yeah: pretty much their track record ...Once Closed never open again !!!!!
Title: Re: We need to find a way to get this state back to salmon fishing again !
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2013, 12:13:54 PM: Quote from: ctwiggs1 on June 26, 2013, 07:31:11 AM
:cryriver:

I agree with you 1000%!!!! Gamies need to do more to protect our resource!!!

:yike: :yike: :yike: THEY WERE SALMON FISHING :yike: :yike: :yike:

Those kids should have EACH gotten a $500 ticket for poaching -- it's poachers like them that are hurting our resource and they should have had their licenses revoked for a year as well.

That Gamie was pretty darn lenient for not taking pops to jail and sending kids to child services! Good job to him for his excellent demonstration of grace!

:IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

Curtis
:yike: a 5 yr old with a K-MART special in his hand :iamwithstupid: