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Other Hunting => Coyote, Small Game, Varmints => Topic started by: biggfish on June 27, 2013, 01:07:12 AM
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I live in the burbs and everyone around us has chickens now, since the chickens came we now have rats living in the backyard. I have a humane trap since we have two small dogs that like to eat what gets put in the snap traps. I'm looking for bait ideas peanut butter no longer seems to work, and they fill up on dog food during the day. The biggest problem is there is a huge one the size of a chihuahua, yes I'm sure I thought it was our dog when it was pigging out at the food bowl. Any ideas short of torching the yard or bombing would be helpful.
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I would first start by removing the free meal and drink that being the dog food and water you have been leaving out :chuckle: they should begin looking for another free meal somewhere else.
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I would first start by removing the free meal and drink that being the dog food and water you have been leaving out :chuckle: they should begin looking for another free meal somewhere else.
unfortunately not a viable solution since the next free meal is 10 feet away at the neighbors chicken coop, or the other neighbors chicken coop, one of them has a rabbit pen. Basically there is free food all around and no one cares cause the burrows seem to all be in our yard.
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Take care of it like Keith Warren Hunting Rats with Gamo Air Rifle | Cluckwork Orange (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYFHQ5xWMfM#ws)
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Coke, or Pepsi, they love it and can't burp so it doesn't take long. If you continue to have a problem I would hire a pest control guy. On the dairy farms they have these cool boxes that they put the bait in so other animals aren't affected. Must not be to expensive or the farmers wouldn't do it
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:dunno:I would first start by removing the free meal and drink that being the dog food and water you have been leaving out :chuckle: they should begin looking for another free meal somewhere else.
unfortunately not a viable solution since the next free meal is 10 feet away at the neighbors chicken coop, or the other neighbors chicken coop, one of them has a rabbit pen. Basically there is free food all around and no one cares cause the burrows seem to all be in our yard.
Way to shoot down reasonable advice out of hand! Start by cleaning up your own little slice of heaven. There's no good reason that you have to leave food out for your rats...errr a dogs.
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Bait boxes will help keep the numbers down. Snap traps with peanut butter are pretty effective too. A combo of the two will get the best results. If there is a constant food source you will just have to kill as many as you can. Make sure you foundation is sealed up tight, you don't want them building nests under your house. They will destroy the insulation and chew up wiring. If you can get away with it blast a few with a pellet gun to vent your frustrations!
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We have chickens (not my idea) so we have rats, but not currently. I got rid of them. I killed four in five nights using rat traps (over-sized mouse traps). For bait, I used peanut butter to glue cheddar cheese to the trigger. Other than that, I modified the trap slightly so that it has a dangerously light hair trigger. Just open up the angle by bending the copper latch (the piece that holds the hook) until the trap responds to a pine needle dropping on it. Setting the trap is dangerous work. WATCH YOUR FINGERS! Try screwing the trap to a heavy piece of wood, so you don't have to hold the trap down when you're setting it.
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You sure your dog sized rat isn't an opossum?
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May want to try and get WDFW to create a "Quality" hunt for your back yard. Thousands will apply, you may have to give some pointers after the draw such as where the trophy rats are, what they eat, when they come out, and many access and parking questions, but it could be the end of your rat problem.
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Bait boxes. Dogs can't get in them.
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I have bad rat problems around my chicken coop and I found the best way for me is 22. shot shell. I go out at night and use a red light head lamp. get close because your range is 10 or 15 feet. With the rat traps I couldn't get them to eat peanut butter so I put a little cracked corn chicken feed in the peanut butter and started catching them in the with the traps a little more often.
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The only thing better at killing rats than a cat is two cats. Buy some cats and introduce them to the dogs so they don't try to eat the cats. You will be surprised how many animals they will kill. We have two cats and live in the country out in the middle of bfe. We don't have a rodent within a 100 yards of our place. Just be sure to get the cats spayed and/or neutered so they don't wander off to the neighbors house.
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wrap a piece of cotton ball around the little hook on the rat trap trigger and cover that with peanut butter. Their teeth get stuck in the cotton. Also, rats are a health problem. Call the county health department and report an infestation due to the coops.
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The only thing better at killing rats than a cat is two cats.
And the only thing better at killing rats than two cats is a rat terrier. Understand that a dog is more of a commitment than a couple of barn cats but if you get self-respecting terrier, you'll probably never see another rat. :twocents:
You will be surprised how many animals they will kill.
To include robins, finches, bunnies and many other non-targets :dunno:
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Another vote for the rat terrier!
They are amazing....
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Another vote for the rat terrier!
They are amazing....
and terific family pets too. Never had a smarter, sweeter dog.
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I've found that fresh apple chunks out catch rats in snap traps 2x1. A little more work to swap out the bait every day, but if you run your "trap line" daily anyway it's no big deal. Unfortunately, I moved in to a house once where the previous renters gave me plenty of opportunity to experiment with this...
As jackelope said, put them in the bait box and you're good to go. Probably ought not leave food out for your dogs, either... if they don't eat it all at meal time, pick it up. They'll learn pretty fast! :chuckle:
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Fortunately I have an American Rat Terrier but I have several bird feeders that attract rats. Look up Youtube videos for rolling can and bucket trap for rats. Most say put water in the bucket but adding some cooking oil to the water will help keep the rats from escaping. It is safe since there are no lethal chemical or parts to injury anyone or pets.
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with the 4th of July rapidly approaching and you saying most of the burrows being in your yard stop at a fireworks shop and get some of the smoke bombs that look like cherry bombs. Another way is to find as many openings as possible close most of them and run a garden hose down one and let the water flow. Or park you vehicle in the area and connect a hose to the exhaust pipe and let it do it's thing.
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Dang if you were closer to me I would love to take all of those rats off your hand :tup: I use peanut butter and rat traps myself, I know for mice the bucket trap works great, but not sure about rats. Making a 5 gal. bucket mouse trap. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSk79YcuIRQ#)
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Rat will jump out ...I shot one with my pellet gun in the head and it jumped 6 ft into the air ...I kid you not :yike:
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Rat will jump out ...I shot one with my pellet gun in the head and it jumped 6 ft into the air ...I kid you not :yike:
Thanks you just saved me some time, I was going to build one this weekend.
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You need to put enough water in the bucket that they can't touch the bottom.
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Don't forget to purchase your rat trapping license.
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Don't forget to purchase your rat trapping license.
are you joking? anyone can buy rat traps at a grocery store :dunno:
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Don't forget to purchase your rat trapping license.
Or, better yet, apply for the "Quality Rat Hunt" special tag! The State needs more money to squander. :chuckle:
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When I had the problem I bought some D-Con and placed the packets in the bushes around my house ..then I bought a pellet gun ..between the 2 I got rid of them quickly ...I would place dog food in a bowl and place it in the bushes about 15 yrs from my kids window ..when they stuck their heads out ..Bap ! it was actually fun :dunno: :chuckle:
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I have a very deep bucket I thinks its a 7 or 8 gallon and I am gonna make that trap tonight, fill with some water and see how it works out :tup:
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In 19 years I have never had a rat problem, that is until this year. We got chickens last year and now the damn rats are living in the roof insulation in the barn. I have killed a dozen with traps but they have gotten wise to peanut butter. I have some 33 gallon barrels that I am going to try the trap thing with and put a cob of corn on it instead of peanut butter. I have killed a couple with a shovel and one with my .410. I HATE rats and need to get a hold of them.
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I have a very deep bucket I thinks its a 7 or 8 gallon and I am gonna make that trap tonight, fill with some water and see how it works out :tup:
Don't fill it or the rats will climb out. Just put in enough so that they can't touch bottom, that way they can't jump.
Also, insider tip - *skip the water. Use antifreeze. Kills quicker, and no smell even if you don't check your trap for a while. :tup:
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Regs page 145 article 6. Baiting rats is illegal in the state of Washington. :chuckle: :chuckle: Sorry I had to :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Bought my bait boxes and poison on line. Make sure you get the poison that doesn't secondary kill. Ie a dog or cat doesn't die from eating the poisoned rat.
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:yeah:
Had the same thing happen on my parents farm. Chickens came, then the rats. Caught a few in traps before the suckers got smart and quit going for it, then they moved into the house. Unless you have a lot of time to try to get rid of them, poison is going to be your best bet.
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I was in Pest Control for a few years. Rats love the protein, dog food is perfect for them. It sounds like the big one is the King Rat. Most packs have them and you will have to kill the smaller ones before you get to trap him. Snap traps (big ones kill mice too) with peanut butter (Adams, the oil is what you really want) work best for immediate removal. Male rats leave a scent trail everywhere they go, that's how other rats will find food & shelter. The stronger the trail (the more often it is used) the stronger the odds are that others will follow it. The scent trail last for an amazingly long time (years) so you will have rats coming to your place for a long time regardless of what you do. That being said, get ready for a killing spree. You have to use the combo of traps and bait boxes. You can get bait boxes online, or hardware stores. The bait needs to be replenished monthly or when it is used up, whichever is first. These bait boxes are the real answer. The ones that don't die stop visiting because it makes them sick. My best advice is to kill the immediate ones and stay on guard for the new ones that will come by. If they get under your house then you have holes that need closed up so check all your vents good. Good luck.
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IMO you need to do a few things.
1 reduce the cover around your home. Trim up the schurbs, weed the gaden, keep the lawn mowed SHORT as far from your house as possible.
2 QUIT free feeding your pets! Reduce the ammount of food around your home. I know your neighbors have chickens but there is not much you can do about that.
3 Use traps and bait stations to kill off as many as you can. I have 3 of these bait stations. They keeip my dogs and kids away from the bait. I place them in places where there is some cover for them to hid/travel. I keep a couple of them along my foundation under a bush.
http://www.tomcatbrand.com/rodent_station.html (http://www.tomcatbrand.com/rodent_station.html)
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I had a smart little rat in my old house one time. Smelled something in the kitchen, and found that the rat was stealing dog kibble and stowing it in the condensation pan under the refrigerator. Set a mousetrap (he was no bigger than a mouse), and that little sucker could take the bait off the trap pan without setting it off. So I fooled him--I tied a piece of monofilament line around the bait, and wrapped the line around the bar that held the trap loaded. that night I heard a "snap!" and the next morning he was dead a few inches from the trap. The trap snapped on his nose as he was stealing the bait, and he bled to death! More rat stories later... :chuckle: Stay tuned! :chuckle:
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Get a rat zapper they work awesome...once you get them under control use the Tomcat bait boxes :twocents:
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I have a very deep bucket I thinks its a 7 or 8 gallon and I am gonna make that trap tonight, fill with some water and see how it works out :tup:
Don't fill it or the rats will climb out. Just put in enough so that they can't touch bottom, that way they can't jump.
Also, insider tip - *skip the water. Use antifreeze. Kills quicker, and no smell even if you don't check your trap for a while. :tup:
I plan on using the rats as food for yotes and whaterver else goes to my trail camera :tup:
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I live in the burbs and everyone around us has chickens now, since the chickens came we now have rats living in the backyard. I have a humane trap since we have two small dogs that like to eat what gets put in the snap traps. I'm looking for bait ideas peanut butter no longer seems to work, and they fill up on dog food during the day. The biggest problem is there is a huge one the size of a chihuahua, yes I'm sure I thought it was our dog when it was pigging out at the food bowl. Any ideas short of torching the yard or bombing would be helpful.
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Invest in a BB gun, Lets you practice with aiming and makes for good fun while exterminating.
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Time to unleash an all-out, hand-to Rat attack. Grab a club or bat, water hose and any other device of destruction you may have.
Start filling the unplugged hole with water and be on the lookout. These things are potentially eating your house so it's time to get even. Think RAMBO!
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I just made one in under a minute and filled it with 8 inches of water :IBCOOL: I will check the trap at dusk and when I wake up tomorrow before yote hunting :tup:
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If you were looking for a different bait for your trap here's on that has worked for me in years past. It's not as wild as some of these guy's ideas though.
A white piece of cloth saturated by the scent of vanilla is especially attractive to rat's. The best bait is one that cannot be easily removed. Tie it with a string tightly to the trigger. I've used it in the past when the normal baits didn't get the smart rats.
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Luckily we have a slab foundation sou they can't get in the house. I shoot probably 4 a month they just get used a bait and stay away from. I got a terrier that runs them around and I shoot when I can get a safe shot. My dog isn't bright though he thinks he's a pointer. I really want to kill the big sucker he's brazen enough to strut his stuff in broad daylight and pellets won't take it down. If I could get away with it is kill a bunch of chickens and have a barbecue I think that would solve the problem.
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I just made one in under a minute and filled it with 8 inches of water :IBCOOL: I will check the trap at dusk and when I wake up tomorrow before yote hunting :tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle: I think you left him to big of a smelly trail ..he may get full before getting to the top of the bucket :dunno: :chuckle:
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May want to try and get WDFW to create a "Quality" hunt for your back yard. Thousands will apply, you may have to give some pointers after the draw such as where the trophy rats are, what they eat, when they come out, and many access and parking questions, but it could be the end of your rat problem.
Forget the quality hunt I'll open a private hunting ranch and even rent my dog.
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I just made one in under a minute and filled it with 8 inches of water :IBCOOL: I will check the trap at dusk and when I wake up tomorrow before yote hunting :tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle: I think you left him to big of a smelly trail ..he may get full before getting to the top of the bucket :dunno: :chuckle:
:chuckle: Tomorrow morning I will just be calling, I am going to freeze my dead rats and use them for the trail camera :tup:
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I just made one in under a minute and filled it with 8 inches of water :IBCOOL: I will check the trap at dusk and when I wake up tomorrow before yote hunting :tup:
Don't bait the ramps!
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I just made one in under a minute and filled it with 8 inches of water :IBCOOL: I will check the trap at dusk and when I wake up tomorrow before yote hunting :tup:
Don't bait the ramps!
dang I spread it really thin to get them up there, just like the youtube vid...
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Can't do it here at work, but on youtube there are some videos of guys in England at a dairy farm with about 6 Rat Terriers. Holy @$%@$# stand back, you might lose a foot or hand. When I get home I'll have to see if I can find it again.
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The only thing better at killing rats than a cat is two cats.
And the only thing better at killing rats than two cats is a rat terrier. Understand that a dog is more of a commitment than a couple of barn cats but if you get self-respecting terrier, you'll probably never see another rat. :twocents:
You will be surprised how many animals they will kill.
To include robins, finches, bunnies and many other non-targets :dunno:
I just happen to have this male pup available. :chuckle: 100% Rat Terrier, excellent hunting lines. ;) ;)
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Rat will jump out ...I shot one with my pellet gun in the head and it jumped 6 ft into the air ...I kid you not :yike:
Thanks you just saved me some time, I was going to build one this weekend.
They will not jump out if you have enough water in the bucket and like i said pour some cooking oil on top. the oil floats on the water and makes the sides of the bucket slick and they can't use their claws to escape. you should try it.
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We wipe out mice with a two gallon bucket with four inches of water.
I whacked 10 or 11 in one night at elk camp a few years back. 10 floaters in one night without having to reset a trap or anything.... very efficient.
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I live in the burbs and everyone around us has chickens now, since the chickens came we now have rats living in the backyard. I have a humane trap since we have two small dogs that like to eat what gets put in the snap traps. I'm looking for bait ideas peanut butter no longer seems to work, and they fill up on dog food during the day. The biggest problem is there is a huge one the size of a chihuahua, yes I'm sure I thought it was our dog when it was pigging out at the food bowl. Any ideas short of torching the yard or bombing would be helpful.
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Try onion sliced up. Seriously it works and your dog won't like it.
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well something big found my barrel, it was knocked over and licked clean. I know it wasnt a dog because of my 7 foot fence, but I am guessing a coon or coyote, what else could knock over a bucket half filled with water and get over a 7 foot fence?
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No ..it was Godzilla rat :dunno: :chuckle:
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Seth, I would argue that you put out too much bait. When I have done mice, the wood rod across my bucket has a half inch hole drilled in it, stuffed with peanut butter, that is all, just a tad, and as they approach to get at it, the rod rolls and in they go, so the quantity of bait doesnt change all night... Looked like you baited in bigfoot! :chuckle:
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:chuckle: Maybe I baited in one of the many squatters living in my area :yike:
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Seth, I would argue that you put out too much bait. When I have done mice, the wood rod across my bucket has a half inch hole drilled in it, stuffed with peanut butter, that is all, just a tad, and as they approach to get at it, the rod rolls and in they go, so the quantity of bait doesnt change all night... Looked like you baited in bigfoot! :chuckle:
the only thing I do differently is add 2 squirts of dish soap, like you said wake up empty bucket fill good to go.
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I hate posting this pic cause I am really fat in it, but here goes....
Mouse count from one night at elk camp... :chuckle:
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I hate posting this pic cause I am really fat in it, but here goes....
Breakfast count from one night at elk camp...
Fixed for you. But seriously though good work.
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:yeah: :chuckle:
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OK, here's another rat story--true, but still a good story! Years ago, when I still lived in my old house, I was sitting at my kitchen counter drinking coffee one winter morning, and looking out the widow at my neighbor's back yard. They had a pile of used lumber and beams he had salvaged and was going to build something, (he never did) and they were raising chickens that year. Suddenly I saw a head poke out of the end of the lumber pile, and looking closer, I saw that it was a rat! No way I was going to let those things gain a foothold, and cracked the window open and loaded the .22 rifle with birdshot. I then went out to the fence and broke up a slice of bread and threw it over the fence near the lumber pile. Went back in the house and waited. Soon the head poked out again, nose twitching at the smell of the bread, and I fired. Out fell the biggest, ugliest rat I'd ever seen. In those days, you could have a trash burning barrel, and they had one nearby with a metal screen on top, so I put the rat on the screen like he was sitting there ready to pounce. Went back in the house and watched for a while. Soon one of the boys came out with a bag of garbage to put in the barrel. Like most boys, he was looking at everything else but the barrel, and when he reached up to lift the screen, he was looking at the rat just inches from his nose. "YIPE!" and the bag of trash went flying about ten feet in the air, and he turned and ran back in the house. Pretty soon out came Dad, and got a long stick and poked the dead rat, and looked over at my window and saw me laughing. "Darn you, Adam is in there changing his underwear!" And then he started laughing too. I must have shot 3 more rats out of that pile, and haven't seen another one since.
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I live in the burbs and everyone around us has chickens now, since the chickens came we now have rats living in the backyard. I have a humane trap since we have two small dogs that like to eat what gets put in the snap traps. I'm looking for bait ideas peanut butter no longer seems to work, and they fill up on dog food during the day. The biggest problem is there is a huge one the size of a chihuahua, yes I'm sure I thought it was our dog when it was pigging out at the food bowl. Any ideas short of torching the yard or bombing would be helpful.
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Try onion sliced up. Seriously it works and your dog won't like it.
Maybe it's the breed but Boston Terriers like onions. Know they are bad for dogs. But all of the Boston's my parents have owned if you drop an onion you gotta grab it fast
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My Manchester terrier will eat anything onions are no exception
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all my dogs( there have been probably 40 in my home over the years of many breeds) have eaten onions even my picky dog who wouldnt eat much she liked onions and mayonnaise and steak. most my dogs also would eat rats....or kill them anyway a small 3lb sledge dropped on their heads also ends it quickly :dunno:
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My little terrier found himself a rats nest dug that burrow out for an hour he killed 8 new born baby rats that's a whole generation we don't have to deal with.
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My little terrier found himself a rats nest dug that burrow out for an hour he killed 8 new born baby rats that's a whole generation we don't have to deal with.
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i use to be a exterminator i was a expert at killing rats,mice roaches flies. nuttela works good as well as anchovie paste. chocolate works great as well. if you can get some bait boxes the plastic ones. buy some plastic snap traps put them in the back of the box were the holes run thru the bait station box. you can also secure the bait with wire or screws so they wont carry it off some where. you need to make sure what type of rat your dealing with there are two different species. you have the roof rat and the norway. the norways build burrows in the ground. if you have burrows get some bait and push it down the burrows they will carrry it down the hole and consume it. if you use bait stations put them along the fence right next to it. same thing with the bait stations if you use snap traps in them this will keep the pets out of the traps. rats use there whiskers to feel where there going so they travel along fences and walls right next to them. if there is alot of activity in areas they will leave marks that look like grease marks from there fur from comeing in and out. pellet guns work well as well. i had some rats living in my compost pile in my back yard a few months ago. it was enclosed so i used bait and it took care of all them. you will know if they consume the bait the feces willl turn green as most rodent bait is a anticoagulant they bleed to death. so be careful if you have pets. i have two dogs and i still got rid of them i keep a 25 lb bucket of rat poison in my garage. this little buggers seem to follow me around as i have had to deal with them at the last two places i lived.
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I hate posting this pic cause I am really fat in it, but here goes....
Mouse count from one night at elk camp... :chuckle:
..................for a minute, I thought it was something off the BBQ you made, well is it ?
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I hate posting this pic cause I am really fat in it, but here goes....
Mouse count from one night at elk camp... :chuckle:
..................for a minute, I thought it was something off the BBQ you made, well is it ?
Not exactly... :chuckle: The pic is my one night kill in a mouse bucket style trap....
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My bucket trap keeps getting knocked over by raccoons :bash: I havent caught a rat yet :'(
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You just think you are lucky,actually you are not, the rats will tunnell under your slab and then you got a huge mess on your hands,I had a dog kennell slab and the rats got under it,and built an elaborate tunnell system,when this happens you'll need to implement an old norweigan trick, 30 minute road flare down the hole and a leaf blower,stand on the upwind side and lay the smoke to them,position family members around with pitchforks/shovels/clubs for IF the smoke don't get them.I've used this method several times to get them killed quick.We tried the gardenhose in the tailpipe trick and got a few that way,but when my dingbat wife just about killed the dog that liked to help I put a stop to it.The dog would root her nose in the holes searching for a whiff of rat.She about got gassed herself and staggered around in the yard in a stupor.The sulfur dioxide in the road flares burn their lungs.
The farmer I used to milk cows for has a barn that leans bad because the rats undermined the foundation.
The present rat getting dog is a Jack Russell X Pomerainian cross of all things,she's death on them.
Luckily we have a slab foundation sou they can't get in the house. I shoot probably 4 a month they just get used a bait and stay away from. I got a terrier that runs them around and I shoot when I can get a safe shot. My dog isn't bright though he thinks he's a pointer. I really want to kill the big sucker he's brazen enough to strut his stuff in broad daylight and pellets won't take it down. If I could get away with it is kill a bunch of chickens and have a barbecue I think that would solve the problem.
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Cold Lasagna is deadly in a snap trap. :tup:
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since the nest got found we haven't seen the slightest sign of the vermin so I'm hoping that it over and done with, my dog is disappointed though he love chasing them.
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My bucket trap keeps getting knocked over by raccoons :bash: I havent caught a rat yet :'(
Sounds like you have to get rid of the Raccoons first, then the rats! :chuckle:
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I have been battling rats for a couple years now. : )
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Some Harbor Freight collapsible cage traps. Had a couple get away but I think I have it figure out now.
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Booner rat I got with the pellet rifle.
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Using weasel boxes to set traps around the yard. Had to find a way to keep the dogs, chickens, and kids out of them and they work great.
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