Post by: time2hunt on July 03, 2013, 10:08:14 AM
Pro's and con's please
Thanks
Brian
Post by: h20hunter on July 03, 2013, 10:08:46 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 03, 2013, 10:12:45 AM
Post by: time2hunt on July 03, 2013, 10:27:33 AM
Post by: Gamblin Guy on July 03, 2013, 10:55:06 AM
They had some feeding issues when they first came out but ours has worked without issue. There's at least one forum dedicated to the WSM's and WSSM's with some of good info on it.
I've got a NIB Browning Stainless Stalker in 25WSSM that I am still debating on whether or not I want to keep it. I picked it up for my daughter but she was given a Rem 700 in 6mm for her first deer rifle so she didn't need it.
Got a buddy in Montana with a daughter who shoots the 25 WSSM, it's a great round for deer/antelope out there.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 03, 2013, 11:01:20 AM
Post by: runamuk on July 03, 2013, 11:11:15 AM
Post by: Alchase on July 03, 2013, 01:54:30 PM
If I was going to buy for a new hunter again, I would go with the 243 win. over the 243 WSSM, mainly because the speed difference really is not enough to make a huge difference.
And the 243 WSSM is not the easiest caliber to find while the 243 win is in almost every store that sells ammo, and as Runamuk stated, the 243 WSSM is more expensive with less bullet combinations available.
Those little fat bullets are fun to shoot, but are hard to load and unload, especially in a bolt action with out a removable magazine.
Post by: Huntbear on July 03, 2013, 08:18:56 PM
I shot one a couple years ago but haven't seen any around for sale was it just a fad ??
Pro's and con's please
Thanks
Brian
I have one in an AR platform... I am in Eburg. It chronos 95 gr. Winchester Silvertips at 3000 ft. per second. I am slowly working up loads for 90 gr. accubonds. Very accurate, not a lightweight rifle by any means. Holler at me if you want to go shoot it.
I may know where one is for sale, as well. If you are interested.
Post by: Maligator on July 03, 2013, 08:29:14 PM
I would stick with the regular 243 cartidge as it can be found most anywhere. Just my :twocents:
Post by: bearpaw on July 03, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
It seems to me that the wssm cartridges have been left behind and the general public has decided that the 270wsm, 300wsm and to a lesser extent the 325wsm are the few remaining viable choices. This is not to say that reloaders will not continue to keep them alive but IMO they will end up being less and less available as time progresses.
I would stick with the regular 243 cartidge as it can be found most anywhere. Just my :twocents:
:yeah: probably sage advice...
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 03, 2013, 08:44:18 PM
I got it to run it in a AR15 platform. I didn't want the weight of building another AR10.
Post by: runamuk on July 03, 2013, 08:47:13 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 03, 2013, 08:50:24 PM
Post by: Huntbear on July 03, 2013, 09:07:00 PM
Post by: runamuk on July 03, 2013, 09:10:28 PM
I am trying to get my wife to fill a tag or 2 with it this year. She has never killed any big game with a AR rifle. She said, Nah I will probably just use the 7mm-08 like last year. Then I showed her the purple/pink tipped btips and she changed it to maybe :chuckle:omg...she must go shoot it...she will love it seriously it is the funnest gun ever.....I screwed the pooch on a couple coyotes but have packed it around a few times it isnt any heavier than my hawkeye in 7mm08 .....but target shooting its so fun...that gun makes me look good...lol
Post by: bearpaw on July 03, 2013, 09:11:08 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 03, 2013, 09:16:33 PM
Post by: Lazzwarbird on July 04, 2013, 12:09:31 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 04, 2013, 12:53:30 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 04, 2013, 02:11:29 PM
What info you looking for lazz? There is a good pile of guys on predator masters that run them. I have talked to several of them. I will be doing a lot of research and load development with mine after harvest is over.
What kind of barrel life do you expect on the WSSM?
BTW the doner rifle you sold me has worked out well and the barrel should be ready in early August.
Post by: Huntbear on July 04, 2013, 02:57:56 PM
With factory ammo, you should not have any issue with hitting 6-7000 rds.
But many factors play into barrel life, including type of metal barrel is made of, manufacturing processes, then how is the chamber cut, and are you shooting hopped up handloads or loads equating to factory loads. Also are you using a clean burning powder.
My AR platform rifle shoots cloverleaf groups all touching... good enough for deer and yotes...
Post by: Lazzwarbird on July 04, 2013, 03:04:34 PM
Post by: Lazzwarbird on July 04, 2013, 03:07:29 PM
Post by: Lazzwarbird on July 04, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 04, 2013, 03:12:30 PM
Barrel life will depend on the shooter if they reload. The hotter you make em, the shorter your barrel life.
With factory ammo, you should not have any issue with hitting 6-7000 rds.
But many factors play into barrel life, including type of metal barrel is made of, manufacturing processes, then how is the chamber cut, and are you shooting hopped up handloads or loads equating to factory loads. Also are you using a clean burning powder.
My AR platform rifle shoots cloverleaf groups all touching... good enough for deer and yotes...
I'm building a 1/7.75 twist .243 Win and expect to set the barrel back at 1500 rounds and replace it at around 2k.
I have never heard of any 6mm making it past 3k rounds with any kind of useful accuracy.
Is there something special about the 243 WSSM that I don't know?
Post by: Lazzwarbird on July 04, 2013, 03:13:49 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 04, 2013, 03:25:28 PM
Well, here is the A-Bolt. I was just wondering if it was a special run gun or something. I cant seem to find another anywhere. Havent found it in any of the Browning catalogs or in the Blue Book or anywhere else. The stock looks like the one on the Elipses but no thumbhole. Just was wondering what I have. Thanks
Didn't Browning develop the WSM/WSSM family with Winchester?
Post by: Huntbear on July 04, 2013, 03:35:08 PM
Barrel life will depend on the shooter if they reload. The hotter you make em, the shorter your barrel life.
With factory ammo, you should not have any issue with hitting 6-7000 rds.
But many factors play into barrel life, including type of metal barrel is made of, manufacturing processes, then how is the chamber cut, and are you shooting hopped up handloads or loads equating to factory loads. Also are you using a clean burning powder.
My AR platform rifle shoots cloverleaf groups all touching... good enough for deer and yotes...
I'm building a 1/7.75 twist .243 Win and expect to set the barrel back at 1500 rounds and replace it at around 2k.
I have never heard of any 6mm making it past 3k rounds with any kind of useful accuracy.
Is there something special about the 243 WSSM that I don't know?
Are you competition shooting? Deer hunting? Have you tried reading on 6mm BR? A lot of discussions on barrel life.
I have never owned a .243 before this one. My buddy has had a .243 Win. for years, and reloads, and it shoots lights out accurate and has close to 8K down the pipe. It is just an old Ruger Bolt action.. Nothing special. IF you are gonna hop up loads to shoot 3500-3800 FPS, and have to ride that velocity rocket, and super heat your barrel up, then yes, barrel life goes to hell... but at 2k rounds, you are now in the realm of .284 & 220 Swift barrel life.
If you shoot heavier bullets, therefore using less powder, you will dramatically reduce throat erosion, and extend barrel life for a good long time.
Post by: Lazzwarbird on July 04, 2013, 03:41:56 PM
Post by: Huntbear on July 04, 2013, 03:53:36 PM
https://www.gunsamerica.com/989894150/Guns/Rifles/Browning-Rifles/Bolt-Action/Hunting/Stainless/Browning_A_BOLT_stainless_stalker_11_in_243_WSSM.htm?ShowRegister=1 (https://www.gunsamerica.com/989894150/Guns/Rifles/Browning-Rifles/Bolt-Action/Hunting/Stainless/Browning_A_BOLT_stainless_stalker_11_in_243_WSSM.htm?ShowRegister=1)
And an article about a young man taking a Mule Deer buck with one just like yours in the pictures..
http://www.thediyhunter.com/big-game-hunting-mule-deer-elk-whitetail-deer/83-2011-utah-rifle-mule-deer-hunt-619-yards (http://www.thediyhunter.com/big-game-hunting-mule-deer-elk-whitetail-deer/83-2011-utah-rifle-mule-deer-hunt-619-yards)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 04, 2013, 04:06:52 PM
What info you looking for lazz? There is a good pile of guys on predator masters that run them. I have talked to several of them. I will be doing a lot of research and load development with mine after harvest is over.
What kind of barrel life do you expect on the WSSM?
BTW the doner rifle you sold me has worked out well and the barrel should be ready in early August.
Glad to hear it. Look forward to seeing it when you get it done.
I talked to mike at dtech and he has made thousands of wssm's 243 25 and his wildcats off the wssm cases as well. This is his words from his pm about what to expect from the wssms. I was kinda shocked at his claims of barrel life.
"I have only replaced 2 WSSM barrels because of fading accuracy. Both of those had around 3000 rounds through them."
He thinks 3k is about the life. I can see it being less if a guy is burning out 55gers at almost 4k. Where only shooting the 90-100gers at 2900-3100fps. It should help make sure a guy can see 3 k out of his uppers.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 04, 2013, 04:07:54 PM
Barrel life will depend on the shooter if they reload. The hotter you make em, the shorter your barrel life.
With factory ammo, you should not have any issue with hitting 6-7000 rds.
But many factors play into barrel life, including type of metal barrel is made of, manufacturing processes, then how is the chamber cut, and are you shooting hopped up handloads or loads equating to factory loads. Also are you using a clean burning powder.
My AR platform rifle shoots cloverleaf groups all touching... good enough for deer and yotes...
I'm building a 1/7.75 twist .243 Win and expect to set the barrel back at 1500 rounds and replace it at around 2k.
I have never heard of any 6mm making it past 3k rounds with any kind of useful accuracy.
Is there something special about the 243 WSSM that I don't know?
Are you competition shooting? Deer hunting? Have you tried reading on 6mm BR? A lot of discussions on barrel life.
I have never owned a .243 before this one. My buddy has had a .243 Win. for years, and reloads, and it shoots lights out accurate and has close to 8K down the pipe. It is just an old Ruger Bolt action.. Nothing special. IF you are gonna hop up loads to shoot 3500-3800 FPS, and have to ride that velocity rocket, and super heat your barrel up, then yes, barrel life goes to hell... but at 2k rounds, you are now in the realm of .284 & 220 Swift barrel life.
If you shoot heavier bullets, therefore using less powder, you will dramatically reduce throat erosion, and extend barrel life for a good long time.
I'll be shooting 115 gr DTAC's at around 3000 fps and 115 gr Berger VLD's for hunting.
The DTAC's go trans sonic at somewhere around 1200 depending on temp and altitude.
Target and steels to 1300 yards and hunting a little closer then that.
This rifle has to shoot .5 moa for it to be useful to me.
Post by: Lazzwarbird on July 05, 2013, 09:53:37 AM
Post by: time2hunt on July 06, 2013, 05:14:12 PM
Thanks
Brian