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Title: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: Bigdaddy on July 08, 2013, 08:19:12 PM
Myself, and two of my buddies have been drawn for the rifle elk tag, we normally hunt on our own, but I figure that since non of us have ever hunter in the blues, and we may never again, I should check into some outfitters. 
Don't need any frills, just someone that knows the areas. 
Title: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: jackelope on July 08, 2013, 08:23:59 PM
Dave Waldron. Western Life Outfitters. MtnCook on here.
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: trophyhunt on July 08, 2013, 08:29:00 PM
I don't believe Dave has any territory in the dayton, but I could be wrong. I'm sure he will know if someone does though.
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: Bigdaddy on July 08, 2013, 09:22:41 PM
you are correct, he is not permitted for the Dayton, but a very nice helpful man.
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: nwhunter on July 08, 2013, 10:32:33 PM
The Dayton unit is pretty much a noncommercial unit with no outfitter concession on a normal basis like Western Life Outfitters have in the east/west wenaha and tucannon units. There are outfitter permits given out on some occasions in the Dayton for specific hunts like the gov tag hunts. I am sure there are some under the table guides that may contact you that could help you out but may not necessarily be legal biz but thats up to you. Dave may have more to add to this but this is what i know. Good luck, you have a good tag and with some scouting and info gathering you could kill a  big bull. nwhunter
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: backcountry55 on July 08, 2013, 11:39:24 PM
Big daddy I don't know why people don't help each other out when I drew in 2005 I didn't know anybody hunting in the blues, then the school fire came now its seems like everyone is applying which is fine somebody helped me and I have helped on at least 7 bulls that I can think of look the problem is drawing killing the elk as long as you put in the time get maps go over there you will have no problem I will help you out just pm me! If I were you I would be jacked!!! Congrats on a great hunt!!
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: rosscrazyelk on July 09, 2013, 10:28:49 AM
DAYTON  is a closed area to outfitting.  Dave from western life can haul out your meat however.
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: mtncook on July 09, 2013, 11:45:30 AM
I talked with Bigdaddy last night.  In the past the USFS had given me verbal permission to pack meat only in the Dayton unit.  That permission came as the result of some meat lost by un prepared hunters.  This year I asked for a Temporary Permit to pack meat only in the Dayton Unit.  The request was denied so I will not be packing meat on a verbal approval.
My permit is not worth putting in jeopardy for $500. 

Like nwhunter indicated there have been a few temporary permits issued in the past.  They were for the Mossback bunch in the past. Another temp permit this year.

Use caution in making connections with lesser known individuals that have history guiding in the Dayton.  Their track record in completing their obligations is not good.

mtncook
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 09, 2013, 12:12:35 PM
I can tell ya who not to hire!! LOL

Seriously though big daddy, stay away from the low ground, lotsa bulls in the forest service.  Shoot me a PM and we'll bs, I had it last year and had a great time, super fun hunt! There really are no secrets, just find good spots to glass from and you'll find bulls. Later
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: rosscrazyelk on July 09, 2013, 12:16:17 PM
I talked with Bigdaddy last night.  In the past the USFS had given me verbal permission to pack meat only in the Dayton unit.  That permission came as the result of some meat lost by un prepared hunters.  This year I asked for a Temporary Permit to pack meat only in the Dayton Unit.  The request was denied so I will not be packing meat on a verbal approval.
My permit is not worth putting in jeopardy for $500. 

Like nwhunter indicated there have been a few temporary permits issued in the past.  They were for the Mossback bunch in the past. Another temp permit this year.

Use caution in making connections with lesser known individuals that have history guiding in the Dayton.  Their track record in completing their obligations is not good.

 

mtncook

They seriously denied you?  That's crap. 
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: jackmaster on July 09, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
cant you just go along as a good buddy  ;) ;) you cant help it if you find some cash laying on the ground can ya  :chuckle:
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: rosscrazyelk on July 09, 2013, 12:17:10 PM
I can tell ya who not to hire!! LOL

Seriously though big daddy, stay away from the low ground, lotsa bulls in the forest service.  Shoot me a PM and we'll bs, I had it last year and had a great time, super fun hunt! There really are no secrets, just find good spots to glass from and you'll find bulls. Later
:yeah:
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: Bigdaddy on July 09, 2013, 06:35:50 PM
I talked with Bigdaddy last night.  In the past the USFS had given me verbal permission to pack meat only in the Dayton unit.  That permission came as the result of some meat lost by un prepared hunters.  This year I asked for a Temporary Permit to pack meat only in the Dayton Unit.  The request was denied so I will not be packing meat on a verbal approval.
My permit is not worth putting in jeopardy for $500. 

Like nwhunter indicated there have been a few temporary permits issued in the past.  They were for the Mossback bunch in the past. Another temp permit this year.

Use caution in making connections with lesser known individuals that have history guiding in the Dayton.  Their track record in completing their obligations is not good.

mtncook

Mtncook Thanks for the conversation,  you seem very knowledgeable I wish I had drawn the Taconnon or Wenaha, so we could be hunting a big bull this fall together.   
Were planning a number of scouting trips, and as much as I would be willing to invest in an outfitter to help me on this possibly once in a lifetime hunt, I'm am good with gathering info from all you that are willing to share, and from what I have heard, this is going to be a great hunt, I am totally jacked, I have hunted elk for a long time and have yet to kill a nice bull, which just adds to the anticipation of opening morning.
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: trophyelk6x6 on July 10, 2013, 06:21:34 PM
no outfitters allowed in Dayton. Previously that provision was loop hole through a USFS special use permit( shouldn't say loop hole because it was clearly legal.)  but that was most likely lost due to the outcry over the  Agnew bull killing.
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: rosscrazyelk on July 10, 2013, 07:58:49 PM
no outfitters allowed in Dayton. Previously that provision was loop hole through a USFS special use permit( shouldn't say loop hole because it was clearly legal.)  but that was most likely lost due to the outcry over the  Agnew bull killing.
I am not sure if I am reading this right.  but the past two years a permit has been issued to the mossback crew.
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: bearpaw on July 10, 2013, 08:10:33 PM
I talked with Bigdaddy last night.  In the past the USFS had given me verbal permission to pack meat only in the Dayton unit.  That permission came as the result of some meat lost by un prepared hunters.  This year I asked for a Temporary Permit to pack meat only in the Dayton Unit.  The request was denied so I will not be packing meat on a verbal approval.
My permit is not worth putting in jeopardy for $500. 

Like nwhunter indicated there have been a few temporary permits issued in the past.  They were for the Mossback bunch in the past. Another temp permit this year.

Use caution in making connections with lesser known individuals that have history guiding in the Dayton.  Their track record in completing their obligations is not good.

mtncook

Dave, You should send a link for this topic to the forest office that administers the Dayton unit just to show them there is a need for a licensed outfitter in that area!
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: coachcw on July 10, 2013, 09:49:15 PM
there's a guy on here that can help you maybe if your nice he will speak up. he has showed me a few real dandys on film .
Title: Re: looking for a outfitter for the Dayton
Post by: mtncook on July 11, 2013, 09:27:43 PM
Same with the Watershed.  I've pursued a meat packing temp permit there for years.  The last guy gave it up when the insurance was prohibitive.  Not going to happen again.   I've had several hunters call USFS with their needs and still nothing.  Issuing a permit envolves work and they are not interested.

mtncook
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