Post by: westside103147 on July 09, 2013, 12:42:21 AM
Thanks,
Westside
Post by: jetjockey on July 09, 2013, 03:36:41 AM
http://www.jimjohnkennels.com/forsale.html (http://www.jimjohnkennels.com/forsale.html)
Post by: wildweeds on July 09, 2013, 07:30:50 PM
Post by: westside103147 on July 09, 2013, 07:34:40 PM
Post by: jetjockey on July 10, 2013, 08:58:02 AM
If I were looking for a Brit in the PNW, and wanted to see the dog before I purchased it, Id call Dave Walker in ID. Unfortunately, in the PNW, there just isn't a lot of top quality Brits like there is in other parts of the country.
Post by: Stilly bay on July 10, 2013, 09:05:58 AM
Post by: Don Fischer on July 10, 2013, 09:10:29 AM
Post by: jetjockey on July 10, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
Define nothing special.
I mean that if you want to find a stud dog to breed to in order to produce a high end brittany, he wouldn't be anywhere near the top on the list of brittany stud dogs. His prodegee have done very little in the AKC brittany world against other Brittany's. While he may be the most popular NSTRA brittany there is, there are tons of other dogs who have produced much, much better results. That's the reason he will never make the Brit Field Trial HOF even though there has been a huge push to get him in. He was a great dog for what he was, but there are much better producers out there.
Post by: jetjockey on July 10, 2013, 09:24:51 AM
You should check with the Oregon Brittany Club. Look for Jim House and Joe Waitman.
That would be a great place to look as well. Problem is they don't have many litters.
Post by: Stilly bay on July 10, 2013, 09:48:11 AM
Define nothing special.
I mean that if you want to find a stud dog to breed to in order to produce a high end brittany, he wouldn't be anywhere near the top on the list of brittany stud dogs. His prodegee have done very little in the AKC brittany world against other Brittany's. While he may be the most popular NSTRA brittany there is, there are tons of other dogs who have produced much, much better results. That's the reason he will never make the Brit Field Trial HOF even though there has been a huge push to get him in. He was a great dog for what he was, but there are much better producers out there.
Your talking about a very narrow demographic of people that would want more than a Nolan pup has to offer. Nolans last bullet and NSTRA lines are nothing to sniff at, and Neither is the game of NSTRA. Sure it doesn't have all the pomp of trials like Ames but its not the same animal is it? I would wager NSTRA has more street value than your big trials just by the fact that that is how most hunters today hunt. Most areas don't have enough land for a big running dog you have to follow on a horse and the WILD bobwhite quail is damn near extinct.
There is nothing wrong with the type of dogs you prefer Jetjockey - but they sure as hell aren't for everybody, That is not a compliment or an insult. It is what it is.
Personally I see dogs like yours and big horseback trials and they do nothing for me, just as I am sure my plodding 200 yards and under Gordon setter wouldn't float your boat either.
Post by: jetjockey on July 10, 2013, 10:08:05 AM
Post by: Stilly bay on July 10, 2013, 10:20:13 AM
Personally I see dogs like yours and big horseback trials and they do nothing for me, just as I am sure my plodding 200 yards and under Gordon setter wouldn't float your boat either.
i didn't mean for that to come off as snotty as it did.
Post by: jetjockey on July 10, 2013, 01:04:29 PM
Post by: Don Fischer on July 10, 2013, 02:28:44 PM
Arlette is one of the best breeder's I know, she fuss's over everything to deliver the best pup's she can. You can find her on gundogforum.
Post by: AspenBud on July 10, 2013, 02:34:56 PM
More for Stilly and Jetjockey...
Just to clear the air...
For one, just because a dog comes from "NSTRA lines" doesn't mean it isn't capable of being, or producing, horseback dogs. Scott Townsend of Crosswind Kennels out in Michigan has produced some of the winningest shorthairs to ever grace the NSTRA and at least one dog from a litter sired by his now late champion, Crosswind Truckin Fritz, is currently running in horseback events.
Second, a lot of good foot hunting dogs come, at least in part, from horseback lines. Some of the better dogs in the coverdog trials (AF sanctioned events) of the midwest come from such lines and that venue is strictly about foot hunting. Out of control dogs that run so far out that it takes an hour to find them don't win those trials. Dogs that run under control and within a decent range do. Running at the range of a dog at Ames won't win you a coverdog event. Pointers and setters usually dominate that type of trial but a Brittany named Wambli took a few titles as well.
Third, take a look at a lot of NSTRA dogs and you'll find that at some point, horseback dogs are in their lineage. I am aware of at least one gentleman involved with the NSTRA in Oregon who acquired a Pointer from HiFive Kennels out in Michigan in the last year or so. The sire of the dog bought currently runs in Coverdog events AND AA horseback and has sired many nice foot hunting dogs. That sire was himself sired by Elhew Sinbad, a AA dog that has made a number of appearances at Ames. That's not the only instance of that type of lineage floating around in NSTRA breedings.
Correction: The gentleman involved in NSTRA in OR bred a dog of his to a pup sired by the coverdog Pointer I mentioned. He didn't buy a pup. My mistake.
Post by: AspenBud on July 10, 2013, 03:11:22 PM
I know it's not local, but I would go here http://members3.boardhost.com/coverdog/ (http://members3.boardhost.com/coverdog/) and try to track down a guy named Ken DeLong. He handled the coverdog Brittany I mentioned (Wambli) and might be able to point you in the direction of some nice dogs if you can't find anything to your liking.
Post by: wildweeds on July 10, 2013, 07:49:56 PM
Another breeder you might check out of state. K9Brittany's. Arlette Hennesy. She's a very careful breeder and has put out some very nice dogs. Saw a couple run last year at Boyce Corrals and they did very very well. Couple more this spring out there with a guy from So Cal and he placed them both. Very nice dogs!
Arlette is one of the best breeder's I know, she fuss's over everything to deliver the best pup's she can. You can find her on gundogforum.
Post by: jetjockey on July 10, 2013, 08:43:48 PM
Joes dog won the Western AA Futurity in 2013, and his dog is heavy Lobo breeding on one side and NLB blood 3 generations back on the other. Very little, if any, NLB blood in any of them.
Post by: johng on July 11, 2013, 08:26:19 AM
Howdy!
Well, I am no gun dog expert and don't even know what NSTRA stands for but I am quite happy with my Brit I got from Jim Lallas at Acme Hunting Club in Deming, WA. The little guy has gotten me into more birds than I could knock down with my sub par shooting! Plan to work on that this summer!
You can find him at his his web site here: http://www.acmehuntingclub.com (http://www.acmehuntingclub.com)
and/or his Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Acme-Hunting-Club/259096460794169 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Acme-Hunting-Club/259096460794169)
If you do call him, please tell him John G. (owner of Opie) says hi.
Cheers,
Jg