Post by: bobcat on July 09, 2013, 12:51:15 PM
Personally I will still be buying the pass, but I could see where some hunters who hunt in areas that are checkerboarded with DNR and WDFW lands, could possibly get by without it. You can now drive through the DNR sections to access the WDFW sections, where you can park and hunt from there.
You will be legal with just the vehicle pass provided at no charge when you purchase your hunting license. And you could then walk onto the DNR land to hunt if you choose to do so.
Post by: washelkhunter on July 09, 2013, 12:53:48 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 09, 2013, 12:55:33 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on July 09, 2013, 12:56:25 PM
Post by: Curly on July 09, 2013, 12:59:59 PM
Post by: bigtex on July 09, 2013, 01:02:55 PM
No. it was never a req.
Yes it was. The penalty for the parking violation is $99, driving is over $200
Post by: xd2005 on July 09, 2013, 01:05:25 PM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=79A.80.020 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=79A.80.020)
RCW 79A.80.020
Discover pass.
*** CHANGE IN 2013 *** (SEE 5897-S.SL) ***
(1) Except as otherwise provided in RCW 79A.80.050, 79A.80.060, and 79A.80.070, a discover pass is required for any motor vehicle to park or operate on any recreation site or lands, except for short-term parking as may be authorized under RCW 79A.80.070.
(2) The cost of a discover pass is thirty dollars. Every four years the office of financial management must review the cost of the discover pass and, if necessary, recommend to the legislature an adjustment to the cost of the discover pass to account for inflation.
(3) A discover pass is valid for one year beginning from the date that the discover pass is marked for activation. The activation date may differ from the purchase date pursuant to any policies developed by the agencies.
(4) Sales of discover passes must be consistent with RCW 79A.80.100.
(5) The discover pass must contain space for two motor vehicle license plate numbers. A discover pass is valid only for those vehicle license plate numbers written on the pass. However, the agencies may offer for sale a family discover pass that is fully transferable among vehicles and does not require the placement of a license plate number on the pass to be valid. The agencies must collectively set a price for the sale of a family discover pass that is no more than fifty dollars. A discover pass is valid only for use with one motor vehicle at any one time.
(6) One complimentary discover pass must be provided to a volunteer who performed twenty-four hours of service on agency-sanctioned volunteer projects in a year. The agency must provide vouchers to volunteers identifying the number of volunteer hours they have provided for each project. The vouchers may be brought to an agency to be redeemed for a discover pass.
Post by: jackelope on July 09, 2013, 01:11:33 PM
No. it was never a req.
Yes, it was.
:P
Post by: huntnphool on July 09, 2013, 01:13:28 PM
It was never a requirement to have a DP just to drive from pt. A to pt. B.It sure was!
Post by: washelkhunter on July 09, 2013, 01:27:12 PM
Post by: boneaddict on July 09, 2013, 01:54:52 PM
No. it was never a req.
Yes, it was.
:P
:yeah:
Ellensburg pass road for instance from the Wenas to E burg.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on July 09, 2013, 01:56:39 PM
Ok. You're driving down the county highway and you want to get to the NF trailhead but you have to drive across 14 miles of dirt road 7 of which lie on state/dnr land the other 7 fed land. Access to the fed land has been in existence since say 1905. It would have been a gross violation of your civil rights had the state assumed it could TAX you to have direct access across an easement to federal land. This is a very commonplace situation here in Wash and as far as I am aware no such violations occurred. However; if you deviated from the mainline and went off on roads that were not going to reach a destination on fed land then you have to have the DP.
I agree with the other posters that a DP was required, and I agree with Washelk that the example he and other posters have used would probably be illegal if challenged.
Post by: boneaddict on July 09, 2013, 02:01:31 PM
Post by: xd2005 on July 09, 2013, 02:35:17 PM
Seems to me now, you will have to be parked in order to be ticketed. Could they nail you driving down the road out in the LT for instance. I know they posted officers out there "a checkpoint" and were nailing those without a pass. That wouldn't work now would it???
(1) Except as otherwise provided in RCW 79A.80.050, 79A.80.060, and 79A.80.070, a discover pass is required for any motor vehicle to park or operate on any recreation site or lands, except for short-term parking as may be authorized under RCW 79A.80.070.
Post by: seth30 on July 09, 2013, 02:38:44 PM
Post by: bobcat on July 09, 2013, 02:47:44 PM
Quote
(2) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use
permit is not required:
(a) On private lands, state-owned aquatic lands other than water
access areas, or at agency offices, hatcheries, or other facilities where public business is conducted((.
(3)The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use permit is not required for:
(a)));
(b) For persons who use, possess, or enter lands owned or managed by the agencies for nonrecreational purposes consistent with a written authorization from the agency, including but not limited to leases, contracts, and easements; ((or
(b))) (c) On department of fish and wildlife lands only, for persons possessing a current vehicle access pass pursuant to RCW 79A.80.040; or
(d) When operating on a road managed by the department of natural resources or the department of fish and wildlife, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.
Post by: xd2005 on July 09, 2013, 03:01:09 PM
Quote(2) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use
permit is not required:
(a) On private lands, state-owned aquatic lands other than water
access areas, or at agency offices, hatcheries, or other facilities where public business is conducted((.
(3)The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use permit is not required for:
(a)));
(b) For persons who use, possess, or enter lands owned or managed by the agencies for nonrecreational purposes consistent with a written authorization from the agency, including but not limited to leases, contracts, and easements; ((or
(b))) (c) On department of fish and wildlife lands only, for persons possessing a current vehicle access pass pursuant to RCW 79A.80.040; or
(d) When operating on a road managed by the department of natural resources or the department of fish and wildlife, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.
Good catch. Looks like it used to be that way and has been clarified as not that way with the new bill. That correct? Looks like the RCW page is not yet updated with the new law?
Post by: bobcat on July 09, 2013, 03:07:02 PM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5897-S.E%20SBR%20APS%2013%20E2.pdf (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5897-S.E%20SBR%20APS%2013%20E2.pdf)
And here is a summary of the bill:
Quote
Summary of Engrossed Substitute Bill: State Parks, DNR, and DFW may mutually agree to sell discounted Discover Passes or day-use permits under certain circumstances. The discounts apply for purposes of bulk sales to retailers, agency license and permit bundling, and partnership opportunities to expand the visibility of the passes and recreation on state lands. The agencies must prioritize opportunities for discounted sales that result in net revenue gain.
Provides an exemption from the Discover Pass requirement for a motor vehicle operating on a road managed by DNR or DFW, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.
Provides $5 million per fiscal year in litter tax revenue for the operations and maintenance of State Parks over the next two biennia, ending June 30, 2017.
Post by: xd2005 on July 09, 2013, 03:09:45 PM
I don't know about the RCW page, but here is a link to the bill that was just recently passed:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5897-S.E%20SBR%20APS%2013%20E2.pdf (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5897-S.E%20SBR%20APS%2013%20E2.pdf)
And here is a summary of the bill:QuoteSummary of Engrossed Substitute Bill: State Parks, DNR, and DFW may mutually agree to sell discounted Discover Passes or day-use permits under certain circumstances. The discounts apply for purposes of bulk sales to retailers, agency license and permit bundling, and partnership opportunities to expand the visibility of the passes and recreation on state lands. The agencies must prioritize opportunities for discounted sales that result in net revenue gain.
Provides an exemption from the Discover Pass requirement for a motor vehicle operating on a road managed by DNR or DFW, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.
Provides $5 million per fiscal year in litter tax revenue for the operations and maintenance of State Parks over the next two biennia, ending June 30, 2017.
Thanks :tup:
Post by: fireweed on July 09, 2013, 03:59:41 PM
Ok. You're driving down the county highway and you want to get to the NF trailhead but you have to drive across 14 miles of dirt road 7 of which lie on state/dnr land the other 7 fed land. Access to the fed land has been in existence since say 1905. It would have been a gross violation of your civil rights had the state assumed it could TAX you to have direct access across an easement to federal land. This is a very commonplace situation here in Wash and as far as I am aware no such violations occurred. However; if you deviated from the mainline and went off on roads that were not going to reach a destination on fed land then you have to have the DP.
The road had to have a "public use easement" or according to the law, you needed a DP. This is one of my main beefs with the DP--where I live there is no easement through either Weyco and DNR to forest service land. Consequently, we needed a DP to get to USFS land! (and with Weyco charging we would have had to have their permit too.) Many forestry roads have easements of various types--some for only forestry operations, and some for "public use". The DNR never bothered to identify all the easements and county roads that cross their land (which would be a big job and eat up Discover Pass funds). This change was needed and was championed by a forester friend of mine who was on an executive development program called "ag-forestry". All the logging contractors were having to get "contractor" passes from the DNR, and it was a real mess. Having to have that hang tag while driving was WAY STUPID (even for this state).
Post by: haulinbass on July 09, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
Post by: blackdog on July 09, 2013, 08:13:54 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 09, 2013, 08:30:36 PM
Post by: bobcat on July 09, 2013, 08:56:17 PM
Look for a bill next year that upgrades your VAC, vehicle access pass to a discover pass for those consumers of more than $200.00 of DFW paper
Now that would be fair. :tup:
Thanks for the info.
Post by: HookedOnQuack on July 09, 2013, 09:08:17 PM
my brother did a road building job on Scott Turner in Eatonville and he had to get passes for their personal rigs and the dump trucks cause they had to cross over onto DNR land to use the gravel pitOk. You're driving down the county highway and you want to get to the NF trailhead but you have to drive across 14 miles of dirt road 7 of which lie on state/dnr land the other 7 fed land. Access to the fed land has been in existence since say 1905. It would have been a gross violation of your civil rights had the state assumed it could TAX you to have direct access across an easement to federal land. This is a very commonplace situation here in Wash and as far as I am aware no such violations occurred. However; if you deviated from the mainline and went off on roads that were not going to reach a destination on fed land then you have to have the DP.
The road had to have a "public use easement" or according to the law, you needed a DP. This is one of my main beefs with the DP--where I live there is no easement through either Weyco and DNR to forest service land. Consequently, we needed a DP to get to USFS land! (and with Weyco charging we would have had to have their permit too.) Many forestry roads have easements of various types--some for only forestry operations, and some for "public use". The DNR never bothered to identify all the easements and county roads that cross their land (which would be a big job and eat up Discover Pass funds). This change was needed and was championed by a forester friend of mine who was on an executive development program called "ag-forestry". All the logging contractors were having to get "contractor" passes from the DNR, and it was a real mess. Having to have that hang tag while driving was WAY STUPID (even for this state).
Post by: bobcat on July 09, 2013, 09:11:45 PM
my brother did a road building job on Scott Turner in Eatonville and he had to get passes for their personal rigs and the dump trucks cause they had to cross over onto DNR land to use the gravel pitOk. You're driving down the county highway and you want to get to the NF trailhead but you have to drive across 14 miles of dirt road 7 of which lie on state/dnr land the other 7 fed land. Access to the fed land has been in existence since say 1905. It would have been a gross violation of your civil rights had the state assumed it could TAX you to have direct access across an easement to federal land. This is a very commonplace situation here in Wash and as far as I am aware no such violations occurred. However; if you deviated from the mainline and went off on roads that were not going to reach a destination on fed land then you have to have the DP.
The road had to have a "public use easement" or according to the law, you needed a DP. This is one of my main beefs with the DP--where I live there is no easement through either Weyco and DNR to forest service land. Consequently, we needed a DP to get to USFS land! (and with Weyco charging we would have had to have their permit too.) Many forestry roads have easements of various types--some for only forestry operations, and some for "public use". The DNR never bothered to identify all the easements and county roads that cross their land (which would be a big job and eat up Discover Pass funds). This change was needed and was championed by a forester friend of mine who was on an executive development program called "ag-forestry". All the logging contractors were having to get "contractor" passes from the DNR, and it was a real mess. Having to have that hang tag while driving was WAY STUPID (even for this state).
They didn't have to purchase the passes though, correct? The Discover pass is for recreational use, not commercial. So I would assume the DNR would give them temporary passes for free.
Post by: dingle on July 16, 2013, 08:14:37 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 01, 2013, 09:32:16 AM
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