Post by: bearpaw on July 12, 2013, 11:46:41 PM
Post by: hoyt2002 on July 13, 2013, 12:36:00 AM
Post by: RadSav on July 13, 2013, 01:32:08 AM
I'm a big fan of the A-Frame, but for me the jury is still out on the Scirocco. I would like to see what the little 100 grainer does out of your 257 Wby. I would find that quite interesting!
Post by: bearpaw on July 13, 2013, 01:48:43 AM
Rad, I am so happy with the results we have had with the 100 TTSX out of the 257 that I probably won't try any other load in that caliber for big game. I think I also told you about loading some 75 GR HPBT's at 4000 fps that are killer on varmints. The other day I noticed somebody had some 70 gr bullets I may have to try those, they ought to scoot along even a little faster. Would be neat to at least try them out. :chuckle:
Might like to try some Sciroccos in the 30 mags for mid to long range hunting too. Anyboduy killed anything at 400-500 or more with them?
Post by: RadSav on July 13, 2013, 02:03:57 AM
I was thinking of trying the Scirrocco's in 270, 280, and maybe 30/06. I'm not sure those calibers are fast enough to get the best performance out of Barnes TTSX.
Swifts velocity performance range seems to be dang close to that of the TTSX. Not sure there would be much difference. I cut a Scirocco in half years ago when Remington first started loading them. The core seemed really hard. Much more so than the Accubond.
FYI - That 325 WSM Accubond I shot the bear with this last spring had a MV of 2900 (about 2500 at impact). I'd expect that puts it velocity wise right between the 30-06 and 280.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2013, 05:37:22 AM
Post by: RadSav on July 13, 2013, 06:19:14 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2013, 06:30:39 AM
I would assume the industry standard is ballistic gelatin, isn't it?:chuckle: morning RS ... :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: RadSav on July 13, 2013, 06:37:36 AM
Is it already? :chuckle: Might be time for me to go to bed then. Been locked up in the cave for the past four days. I'm beginning to hate accounting. Wonder what the suicide rate of accountants is? Have to ask Bean Counter. I bet it's high!I would assume the industry standard is ballistic gelatin, isn't it?:chuckle: morning RS ... :chuckle: :tup:
I honestly don't know what they shoot those test bullets into. Seems everyone but Barnes posts pictures of something similar. I just assumed they would have an industry standard :dunno: But I agree with you. Most of these bonded bullets perform better than these pictures show if they make some contact with bone.
Post by: 270Shooter on July 13, 2013, 07:39:35 AM
Post by: Ironhead on July 13, 2013, 07:54:44 AM
Post by: suga on July 13, 2013, 08:35:12 AM
I found them fickety to reload. results on game were good. I switched to accubonds same results on game but not as hard to find that sweet spot when reloading. its a good bullet.
I have used the Scirocco II with success. I have found similar results as hoyt2002. But, have discovered that it can be cartridge specific. The Scirocco's shoot really good out of my 260 Rem, but out of my 264 Win Mag not so good. I believe that the load data for these bullets has not been published yet, I had to call Swift to get load data. They will tell you if they have gotten good data/results for your cartridges.
Post by: Feanix on July 13, 2013, 02:09:50 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 13, 2013, 02:12:37 PM
Am starting load development on 130gr sciroccos for a .270. From what i hear they perform well if kept above 1800 fps. When they get around that range they can sometimes pancake without penetrating because they have more copper in the jacket than other bullets.
Since you brought up that speed, are there really any bullets that perform well at less than 1800 fps? Maybe bergers?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 13, 2013, 02:19:38 PM
1800 FPS is kinda standard for minimum bullet performance with a lot of bullets.
I have never had much luck with berger and seen some poor results on animals.
That is one of the reasons why I am excited to try the accubond long range with a minimum speed of only 1300fps. That will make for some great long range killing power.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2013, 06:37:54 PM
I have run them threw several guns. I got them to shoot pretty well but not as well as my accubonds. I will be trying some 90gers side by side with the 90g accubonds in the the new 243 wssm.So your telling me that Berger does not perform like on T.V and that they are sheet ...hahahahahaha I will not buy any now .. just like I preach everyday ...I will stick with my Hornadays and they like kissing each other at 100 yrds .. :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
1800 FPS is kinda standard for minimum bullet performance with a lot of bullets.
I have never had much luck with berger and seen some poor results on animals.
That is one of the reasons why I am excited to try the accubond long range with a minimum speed of only 1300fps. That will make for some great long range killing power.
Post by: ICEMAN on July 13, 2013, 06:50:46 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
All I shoot in my .300 ultra.... 180 grain, great accuracy, knocks down game...180 gr what ? I finally goy me some 180 gr Hornaday Interlocks for my 300 WSM just have not had time to load me some up !
Post by: ICEMAN on July 13, 2013, 06:56:08 PM
All I shoot in my .300 ultra.... 180 grain, great accuracy, knocks down game...180 gr what ? I finally goy me some 180 gr Hornaday Interlocks for my 300 WSM just have not had time to load me some up !
180 grain scirrocco....
All factory loads to date. Finally have a couple hundred brass laying around to try to reload this caliber...
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 13, 2013, 06:57:23 PM
So your telling me that Berger does not perform like on T.V and that they are sheet ...hahahahahaha I will not buy any now .. just like I preach everyday ...I will stick with my Hornadays and they like kissing each other at 100 yrds .. :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle: I know guys that swear by them. They just are not for me. I run so many different bullets it really comes down to what the rifle likes and how they do on animals. We both know everything on we see on tv is how it goes down 100% of the time :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2013, 06:58:35 PM
Nice ..a lot of times those heavier bullets will shoot well no matter what caliper ..they look well built and I may try loading some someday :tup:All I shoot in my .300 ultra.... 180 grain, great accuracy, knocks down game...180 gr what ? I finally goy me some 180 gr Hornaday Interlocks for my 300 WSM just have not had time to load me some up !
180 grain scirrocco....
All factory loads to date. Finally have a couple hundred brass laying around to try to reload this caliber...
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2013, 07:01:35 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 13, 2013, 09:07:17 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 14, 2013, 06:03:39 AM
I know a guy who has shot 100's of elk, literly per year. Damage control for the Government. Out of all the bullets he has used. His favorite combo for flat out Elk slaying is the .300 Win Mag with a 180gr Swift scirocco II. He has a coffee can piled with recovered bullets of all types and he said the Scirocco II, expand the best at point blank to extended ranges.
Thanks, exactly the sort of comment I was hoping to hear, I may try some. Did that guy ever tell you what kind of weight retention he felt the scirocco II had?
Post by: mountainman on July 17, 2013, 06:33:47 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 21, 2013, 04:48:33 PM
That's a lot of elk!?
It sure isn't a few.👍
Post by: bearpaw on July 21, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
I have run them threw several guns. I got them to shoot pretty well but not as well as my accubonds. I will be trying some 90gers side by side with the 90g accubonds in the the new 243 wssm.
1800 FPS is kinda standard for minimum bullet performance with a lot of bullets.
I have never had much luck with berger and seen some poor results on animals.
That is one of the reasons why I am excited to try the accubond long range with a minimum speed of only 1300fps. That will make for some great long range killing power.
Carp,
Are those accubond long range actually advertised to perform at 1300 fps?
Post by: str8meat on July 22, 2013, 05:18:56 AM
Post by: THunt on July 22, 2013, 05:51:00 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 01, 2013, 08:11:18 PM