Post by: Natures Way on July 22, 2013, 07:02:29 AM
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Post by: daydreamn on July 23, 2013, 11:35:51 AM
Just don't think I could sell a trophy like that. :twocents:You could if you weren't the one that killed it. :chuckle:
Post by: Elkslayer on July 24, 2013, 10:44:44 AM
Just don't think I could sell a trophy like that. :twocents:You could if you weren't the one that killed it. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: coachcw on July 25, 2013, 06:27:59 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 25, 2013, 08:09:37 PM
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Not+forgotten%3A+nearly+two+decades+after+James+Cartwright+brought+down...-a0243718808 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Not+forgotten%3A+nearly+two+decades+after+James+Cartwright+brought+down...-a0243718808)
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 25, 2013, 08:11:47 PM
I've seen two in that class. I swear they come out of the ground for one day a year. One of these days, one of these days.
Bone do you have photos of any of them? I know they exist but never seen a typical whitetail anywhere near that size.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 25, 2013, 08:15:40 PM
There you go. Been wondering if you were going to post that one on here. You did him justice. Looks much better than he did when you got him and don't worry about the picture quality that is the best picture ever taken of that buck.
Definitely a good photo... Wish you could see the photos from the article... All angles against a black background.. They turned out great.
Post by: Natures Way on July 25, 2013, 10:26:25 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 25, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Thanks for the compliments.Dbhawthorne I didn't know that you're on here and I haven't seen the photos or the article. I have a replica set of those horns and I will be mounting in a different pose before too long.
That's awesome that you have a replica set. If you ever decide to sell them I would contact Cartwright as he may be interested in purchasing them.
Northwest Big Game sold the antlers to Bass Pro a couple years back... the last I knew they were in their warehouse...hopefully they have them on display by now.
Post by: Natures Way on July 26, 2013, 06:52:18 AM
Post by: boneaddict on July 26, 2013, 07:13:19 AM
I've seen two in that class. I swear they come out of the ground for one day a year. One of these days, one of these days.
Bone do you have photos of any of them? I know they exist but never seen a typical whitetail anywhere near that size.
No DB. One was in stevens and I have seen the sheds from him. A young kid found them. World record class. I think they intend to keep it low key until they harvest the buck. The other I was photographing in Ferry and had rattled a nice buck in. He started acting funny and I heard and then could see this tree being shredded. I knew he was going to walk out and I was on the monopod and ready. All of a sudden he darted at the buck I had been watching. It was argueably the most incredible animal I have seen. Very similiar structure to the cartwright buck but with longer tines. He ran the other buck off and then never came back. I had lost focus and in the low light, NOTHING!!! I dedicated a whole spring looking for his antlers. Again NOTHING. I go back every year to look for him or his relatives. Most of the time when they get thtat big they start getting alot of junk. His was clean. The tine length was incredible. I had one other super buck but he was probably a 180-190 class that haunts me. My wife saw it first as I was looking at another buck that was acting funny and submissive. She told me an elk walked across the road. Thats the bloody fight that I have photos of the aftermath on here. Not sure if you have seen that or read that story.
Post by: buckfvr on July 26, 2013, 07:40:30 AM
Ive seen two on the west slope of the Kettles and two here that were much larger, but they only let me see them one time. Seeming to disappear..........
Above average bucks are one thing......true trophy class record book bucks are another. I have encountered several easy P&Y bucks, and even a few B&C qualifiers......but record class ?????? Ive maybe seen one on the hoof that I have no doubt was among the biggest this state has to offer. I dont think anyone even hunted that spot the year I saw him......I know a local guy and his kid hunted near where I saw this buck and told a story of being caught kicked back taking a nap and having the biggest buck they ever saw anywhere, walk within 30ft of them and pass by without knowing they were there......frozen in time. They said horns everywhere......4ft wide !!!!!! I know they saw the one I saw earlier, but 4ft he was not. Im sure it seemed like it though......At the time I saw him, glassing him for 25 minutes......he looked 30 wide with 30 in main beams and main frame 12 with a bit of junk. I know, I know.....I'd likely call bs on it too, but I saw him. :yike:
Post by: oldleclercrd on July 26, 2013, 11:48:35 AM
Post by: bradslam on July 26, 2013, 12:09:11 PM
Just don't think I could sell a trophy like that. :twocents:You could if you weren't the one that killed it. :chuckle:
Are you referring to the real story of how that buck was killed?
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 26, 2013, 01:34:44 PM
Just don't think I could sell a trophy like that. :twocents:You could if you weren't the one that killed it. :chuckle:
Are you referring to the real story of how that buck was killed?
Known as fact only to a few... I have heard the other side of the story from people that I believe to be trustworthy but I would need more evidence to tell that part of the story.
Post by: bearpaw on July 26, 2013, 01:51:11 PM
I've heard several stories including the story straight from Cartwright. I actually had his buck in my house for a while. I've also heard the stories that it was hit by a car and the story that someone else shot the buck. I decided not to worry how it was killed and just appreciate the buck for what it is. I do wish I would have bought the buck from Cartwright just to keep it in the county, I regret not buying it.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 26, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
The stories... :chuckle:
I've heard several stories including the story straight from Cartwright. I actually had his buck in my house for a while. I've also heard the stories that it was hit by a car and the story that someone else shot the buck. I decided not to worry how it was killed and just appreciate the buck for what it is. I do wish I would have bought the buck from Cartwright just to keep it in the county, I regret not buying it.
Stories like these always pop up around world class animals. When I interviewed Cartwright for the story I found no reason not to believe him. I wish the buck was still in WA too.
Post by: bradslam on July 26, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
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Post by: daydreamn on July 26, 2013, 10:41:55 PM
Just don't think I could sell a trophy like that. :twocents:You could if you weren't the one that killed it. :chuckle:
Are you referring to the real story of how that buck was killed?
[/qu Yeah I guess so. Not trying to create any more controversy for any one though. There is already a lengthy thread on here discussing the topic of this deer and how he was killed and by who. I admire that deer just as much as anyone. Maybe a little more? Luckily I get to look at a set of his sheds every day.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 27, 2013, 08:31:44 AM
The first time I saw the buck was in his living room. Definitely had wow factor, especially in a small room. Then, of course, it started turning up in sportsmen's shows. When I first heard his story it seemed legit. However, I've heard the "other" story from too many people who I consider trustworthy and who know those involved personally, not to be skeptical. Of course, without actual evidence, who knows what actually happened. I just hate seeing people get notoriety if they don't deserve it.
Yep.. all I have is second hand accounts from trustworthy people that directly know the people involved but I don't personally know the level of trustworthiness of the people involved...from a character stand point the actual people involved don't sound very trustworthy....so without the evidence I am back to square one.
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 27, 2013, 09:30:20 AM
Just don't think I could sell a trophy like that. :twocents:a buck like that Don't think I could put a price on it. Seeing that you would be lucky to ever harvest a deer like that in a lifetime. Priceless!! :twocents:
Post by: huntnnw on July 28, 2013, 09:58:57 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 28, 2013, 10:10:30 PM
It cannot be entered into B&C due to a busted skull plate right?
It's in B&C. The skull plate wasn't busted but the antler was snapped. B&C allows snapped antlers to be entered as long as the break is clean and can be placed back into original position and all of the material included in the measurement is the original antler material.
Post by: Bigtine96 on July 28, 2013, 10:45:45 PM
Post by: Skillet on July 28, 2013, 10:46:18 PM
Just don't think I could sell a trophy like that. :twocents:a buck like that Don't think I could put a price on it. Seeing that you would be lucky to ever harvest a deer like that in a lifetime. Priceless!! :twocents:
I'll take an $8000 return on a $700 investment every time. If I actually killed the deer myself, however... then it's priceless and not for sale.
Post by: madmack76 on July 28, 2013, 11:40:32 PM
Post by: Natures Way on August 01, 2013, 07:29:33 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 01, 2013, 07:37:56 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 01, 2013, 07:47:53 PM
I was happy i got to mount such a magnificent deer. Whatever the story its a monster whitetail.
We're all so busy looking at the antlers and talking story that nobody is looking at the mount. It looks great, very nice job. :tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on August 01, 2013, 08:33:05 PM
Had to laugh at the end of the story where he's sure he'll kill a bigger one someday. :chuckle:
:chuckle: I was surprised when he said it.. That would be awesome.. Nobody has ever recorded two typicals over 200 net and I think the record for one person taking 200+ non-typicals is four (maybe five .. I haven't checked recently).
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 01, 2013, 08:38:35 PM
Had to laugh at the end of the story where he's sure he'll kill a bigger one someday. :chuckle:
:chuckle: I was surprised when he said it.. That would be awesome.. Nobody has ever recorded two typicals over 200 net and I think the record for one person taking 200+ non-typicals is four (maybe five .. I haven't checked recently).
Sounds like he got extremely blessed to connect with the first one when just out meat hunting. Finding a buck like that is hard enough I imagine but then to KILL one...man!
Post by: huntnnw on August 02, 2013, 09:10:02 AM
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Post by: muzbuster on September 17, 2013, 01:34:02 PM
Looks like Cartwrights Stevens county buck. That was a good year for deer here in Washington, both muledeer and whitetails.
Mike Cartwright ?
Post by: Elkslayer on September 17, 2013, 03:23:44 PM
Looks like Cartwrights Stevens county buck. That was a good year for deer here in Washington, both muledeer and whitetails.
Mike Cartwright ?
Jim Cartwright, or should I say Rick M---........ :dunno: Either way it's a nice deer!
Post by: quadrafire on September 17, 2013, 03:47:45 PM
Nice job on the mount!
Post by: Natures Way on October 04, 2013, 07:47:33 PM
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Post by: Jonathan_S on October 27, 2013, 07:23:56 PM
Last night I saw what I believe to be about a 180" whitetail at about 10:00 p.m. It was incredibly big and heavy, and wide, with tall tines and 5x5.
The step from a huge whitetail (170-180) to 200+ is such a huge leap; definitely out of my league and I am in awe that they can get that big in OTC units still.
Post by: Natures Way on November 03, 2013, 05:47:37 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on November 03, 2013, 06:56:31 AM
I have a replica set of those horns.
I have the North American Whitetail article I wrote framed and hanging in the office so I see his photo daily.. But not as good as having a replica.
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Post by: bowhunterforever on November 11, 2013, 02:32:55 PM
I think that a three point rule will actually increase the amount of more mature animals that could potentially reach record book size.:yeah: X2
Post by: highmuley on December 19, 2013, 11:47:09 AM
Bone is correct... That is the Cartwright Buck... 215 Gross... 200 3/8 net...here is the article I wrote on it in North American Whitetail Magazine:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Not+forgotten%3A+nearly+two+decades+after+James+Cartwright+brought+down...-a0243718808 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Not+forgotten%3A+nearly+two+decades+after+James+Cartwright+brought+down...-a0243718808)
Great article. Well written. I love at the end were hes says "I have sen bigger deer....". Were?!?! In his dreams!!!
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 26, 2013, 10:15:01 AM
Bone is correct... That is the Cartwright Buck... 215 Gross... 200 3/8 net...here is the article I wrote on it in North American Whitetail Magazine:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Not+forgotten%3A+nearly+two+decades+after+James+Cartwright+brought+down...-a0243718808 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Not+forgotten%3A+nearly+two+decades+after+James+Cartwright+brought+down...-a0243718808)
Great article. Well written. I love at the end were hes says "I have sen bigger deer....". Were?!?! In his dreams!!!
:yeah: good luck with that buddy :chuckle: amazing deer and spectacular mount however
Somebody who admittedly is looking for any legal buck will probably not have a shot at a 130-150" buck very often, let alone a 220"
Post by: buckfvr on December 26, 2013, 10:37:39 AM
That being said, I really dont look for there to be more bucks over 150, as many bucks wont even get there in their prime. Genetics means alot going from 150 to 200in. We will, if we are lucky, see more 4 1/2 and older bucks. What they carry on their heads will vary.
BIg bucks are where you find them, and that doesnt seem to be all in one place. Especially on public land.
Some of the biggest bucks around are not in the 4 point areas......but the 4pt areas have big bucks too. I dont think it will mean anything more significant than a better and more thorough breading cycle, as in most does being bred first cycle.
Even with the hand full of stud whitetails killed by guys on this site, other than the n. e. corner leading the way, where the bucks were killed is widely spread.
I agree.......you cant kill a 150 if you will shoot the first legal buck you see.
Post by: Natures Way on January 01, 2014, 02:42:29 PM