Post by: bearpaw on July 22, 2013, 08:28:55 PM
I was told the calf was partially eaten and still half alive, but that was second hand info so not sure about that, I should hear the full story on the local radio tomorrow.
Post by: wolfbait on July 23, 2013, 12:40:21 AM
This is the new norm for livestock producers, most of you have heard of the devastation with WY, ID and MT, wolves killing livestock and the lack of confirmed wolf killed livestock. Now both OR and WA are the targets.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on July 23, 2013, 06:37:07 AM
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the solution to the problem, start letting the ranchers effected by wolf predation to remove the problem animals, we don't need to be spending thousands of dollars on fancy studies :twocents:
This is only symptomatic of the larger problem: wolves are incredibly prolific and need to be managed now, not 3-5 years from now. The DFW is in water about 10' over their heads and they think they're still on dry land.
Post by: seth30 on July 23, 2013, 06:43:21 AM
Post by: bobcat on July 23, 2013, 07:23:53 AM
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the solution to the problem, start letting the ranchers effected by wolf predation to remove the problem animals, we don't need to be spending thousands of dollars on fancy studies :twocents:
Problem animals? But aren't ALL wolves "problem animals?"
And even if ranchers were allowed to do so, how effective could they really be at eliminating the cattle eating wolves?
Unless poison was an option, I don't see how they would have much success in killing them.
Post by: turkeyfeather on July 23, 2013, 07:44:23 AM
I agree with Bobcat. We are already past the point of hunting them. This problem has already gotten to far outta hand and "other" methods are gonna be needed at this point.It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the solution to the problem, start letting the ranchers effected by wolf predation to remove the problem animals, we don't need to be spending thousands of dollars on fancy studies :twocents:
Problem animals? But aren't ALL wolves "problem animals?"
And even if ranchers were allowed to do so, how effective could they really be at eliminating the cattle eating wolves?
Unless poison was an option, I don't see how they would have much success in killing them.
Post by: 270Flat on July 23, 2013, 08:03:18 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2013, 08:09:14 AM
Hunters and Taxpayers will bear the brunt of wolf management because there is really only four options in wolf management, hunting, trapping, poison, and helicopter. ID/MT have both found out that hunting is not enough, poison is illegal everywhere and trapping is illegal in WA, so that leaves helicopter and that costs a lot of money.
It takes WDFW 2 years to figure out when herds drop due to a bad winter, they will be at least 2 years behind determining when wolves have already seriously reduced herds. Then according to what they said in the Colville meeting they plan to study the problem thoroughly before managing wolves. :bash:
Post by: Mudman on July 23, 2013, 08:14:21 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2013, 08:17:07 AM
Correct me if Im wrong but I thought our native wolves were timber wolves and these wolves are Grey wolves? I have read they act and behave differently. Could we not argue no protection for an invasive species?
USFWS slyly reclassified all the sub-species of wolf as simply gray wolves several years back. Except in areas where it benefits them to classify the wolves as a separate specie, such as you see going on with Mexican Grays in AZ/NM.
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Post by: Northway on July 23, 2013, 09:34:13 AM
Its a darn shame that good folk trying to make a living the hard way, can not protect there livestock from vermin. What I think is funny is most of those wolf lovers eat meat and probably assume it is made in grocery stores. I wonder how much they will complain when our beef prices jump through the roof to cover all the damages these wolves make.
The more compelling argument is that ranching in areas like NE WA is important economically at the county level.
Beef prices won't change to any material degree over wolves, no matter what. I was recently shown a graph that highlighted cattle distribution throughout the lower 48. Each dot on the map represented 10,000 head of cattle. The dots were densely clustered together in areas like Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, California, etc. The dots were few and far between in almost the entire Northern Rocky Mountains & eastern WA. The vast majority of beef is and will always be raised on pasture & in feedlots that will never be exposed wolf predation.
On the national level most people don't really care about wolves, rural mountain ranchers, and the complicated issues involved with how they can coexist. Ironically, that indifference hurts both sides of the argument.
Post by: Humptulips on July 23, 2013, 09:57:14 PM
If you look at the wolf count topic, we are now seeing wolves regularly all over the state on a regular basis, as soon as these singles and doubles breed in a year or two, we will definitely be past the point of no return.
Hunters and Taxpayers will bear the brunt of wolf management because there is really only four options in wolf management, hunting, trapping, poison, and helicopter. ID/MT have both found out that hunting is not enough, poison is illegal everywhere and trapping is illegal in WA, so that leaves helicopter and that costs a lot of money.
It takes WDFW 2 years to figure out when herds drop due to a bad winter, they will be at least 2 years behind determining when wolves have already seriously reduced herds. Then according to what they said in the Colville meeting they plan to study the problem thoroughly before managing wolves. :bash:
That is not exactly true. WDFW has the ability to write permits for foot traps for wolves. Heck, they are doing it right now. Trouble is the trapper cannot sell the wolf hide so someone is going to have to pay or it won't get done even if WDFW wrote the permits.
WDFW won't do it. It's not PC. They could if they wanted to though.
Post by: wolfbait on July 24, 2013, 12:05:22 AM
If you look at the wolf count topic, we are now seeing wolves regularly all over the state on a regular basis, as soon as these singles and doubles breed in a year or two, we will definitely be past the point of no return.
Hunters and Taxpayers will bear the brunt of wolf management because there is really only four options in wolf management, hunting, trapping, poison, and helicopter. ID/MT have both found out that hunting is not enough, poison is illegal everywhere and trapping is illegal in WA, so that leaves helicopter and that costs a lot of money.
It takes WDFW 2 years to figure out when herds drop due to a bad winter, they will be at least 2 years behind determining when wolves have already seriously reduced herds. Then according to what they said in the Colville meeting they plan to study the problem thoroughly before managing wolves. :bash:
That is not exactly true. WDFW has the ability to write permits for foot traps for wolves. Heck, they are doing it right now. Trouble is the trapper cannot sell the wolf hide so someone is going to have to pay or it won't get done even if WDFW wrote the permits.
WDFW won't do it. It's not PC. They could if they wanted to though.
If you look at the wolf count? What wolf count? WA was past wolf control in 2010> WDF&wolves could have delisted with 15 packs in Okanogan county alone. Remember certain people told this forum of the Res wolves, and others? WA is already past the point of no return, we are at the same stage as IDFG 14 years later and WDF&wolves are claiming wolf recovery in WA started in 2008.
WDFW's lies are starting to show through despite their claims. City people who have second homes in the country are seeing the lies of WDFW and the USFWS and just like the rest of the scandals, they are investigating.
The wolf era is coming to a close, WDFW and the USFWS are going for broke, they know they are on the loosing end, and so are the people that have become infested with their wolves.
From here on out it is going to become interesting. Think about the lawsuits that the USFWS and WDFW are facing. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.
"Hunters and Taxpayers will bear the brunt of wolf management because there is really only four options in wolf management, hunting, trapping, poison, and helicopter. ID/MT have both found out that hunting is not enough, poison is illegal everywhere and trapping is illegal in WA, so that leaves helicopter and that costs a lot of money.>>True
"It takes WDFW 2 years to figure out when herds drop due to a bad winter, they will be at least 2 years behind determining when wolves have already seriously reduced herds. Then according to what they said in the Colville meeting they plan to study the problem thoroughly before managing wolves"
In 2009 the deer herds in the Methow valley dropped by half, and from there it went down to pratically nothing, which is where we are today. And yet WDFW claim hunting is great with the amount of hunters that showed up.
WDFW will not acknowledge the decimation of game herds until they are forced to do so, just the same as IDFG. Anyone who believes differrently needs to become better informed.
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Post by: bearpaw on July 27, 2013, 04:22:51 AM
If you look at the wolf count topic, we are now seeing wolves regularly all over the state on a regular basis, as soon as these singles and doubles breed in a year or two, we will definitely be past the point of no return.
Hunters and Taxpayers will bear the brunt of wolf management because there is really only four options in wolf management, hunting, trapping, poison, and helicopter. ID/MT have both found out that hunting is not enough, poison is illegal everywhere and trapping is illegal in WA, so that leaves helicopter and that costs a lot of money.
It takes WDFW 2 years to figure out when herds drop due to a bad winter, they will be at least 2 years behind determining when wolves have already seriously reduced herds. Then according to what they said in the Colville meeting they plan to study the problem thoroughly before managing wolves. :bash:
That is not exactly true. WDFW has the ability to write permits for foot traps for wolves. Heck, they are doing it right now. Trouble is the trapper cannot sell the wolf hide so someone is going to have to pay or it won't get done even if WDFW wrote the permits.
WDFW won't do it. It's not PC. They could if they wanted to though.
Thanks for correcting me on that, agents of the state can trap, maybe that will be a loophole that will save the last ungulates when all else has failed. :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on July 27, 2013, 04:26:11 AM
Looks like the kill was confirmed by the WDFW,, kick in and screaming I'm sure
Two days later it was on the local radio but there wasn't much info, I know far more than what they detailed on the news, that's different, there is usually a far better report on these wolf attacks by our local radio.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 29, 2013, 09:41:11 AM
Wolfbair, are your pics related to this recent case?No, they're the same pictures Wolfbait always posts- of the Methow. Not the wedge.