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Big Game Hunting => Bow Hunting => Topic started by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 20, 2008, 03:37:44 PM

Title: Arrows
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 20, 2008, 03:37:44 PM: I am buying a new bow and i am trying to order arrows at the same time. What i would like to know is what do you shoot and why?
I am going to buy carbon, but i would like to know if you go with the Full Vanes or the blazer vanes?
What is the advantage?

Oh yeah i am buying the Bear Lights Out in 60-70 i have a 31 inch draw.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on October 20, 2008, 08:49:47 PM: First off buy HOYT.. but really it depends on your ability level.. I shoot the best arrows money can buy because they are as close to perfect as it gets.. easton infused carbon axis.. but if your new to the game you wont notice the difference anyways. so id go with something less spendy like a carbon epic... also I shoot blazer vanes.. they are lighter and stablize a broadhead much better then 5 in vanes....
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Broken Arrow on October 20, 2008, 09:00:44 PM: like the Hoyt sponserd shooter says, easton infused carbon axis..but do your self a favor...go with mathews! lol, ...... all in fun......all bows with major company are good.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: archery288 on October 20, 2008, 09:11:54 PM: Quote from: Hoytstaffshooter83 on October 20, 2008, 08:49:47 PM
First off buy HOYT.. but really it depends on your ability level.. I shoot the best arrows money can buy because they are as close to perfect as it gets.. easton infused carbon axis.. but if your new to the game you wont notice the difference anyways. so id go with something less spendy like a carbon epic... also I shoot blazer vanes.. they are lighter and stablize a broadhead much better then 5 in vanes....

:nono: :bdid: :chuckle: Buy a BowTech! haha

As for the arrows... I tried the N-fused nano carbon axis shafts and I am very picky on what I shoot... I took 4 dozen shafts and spun them all and only had 4 that were actually perfectly straight out of the whole bunch. I made some up and shot them and they shot ok - but not as good as I would have liked (mainly with broadheads). If you want to spend some extra money, get the FMJ's (Full Metal Jackets) or probably the best arrow on the market for hunting an A/C/C... I have had great luck with the FMJ's and they are by far straighter and more consistent weight wise then the nano's. Even though the nano's are so close, but the fmj's are just a little better IMO. With my set up and some 100 gr montec's my field points and broadheads shoot in the same spot out to 130 yards! (No I do NOT shoot at game that far!) Just my :twocents: ...
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Antlershed on October 20, 2008, 09:23:13 PM: I looked at the FMJ's when I was buying arrows, and the guy said that they still have a tendency to bend just like aluminum arrows. Have you have any problems with yours? It is quite possible the guy I was talking to didn't know much. :chuckle: I ended up with the Axis N-fused. I haven't spun them, but they shoot well for me.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: archery288 on October 20, 2008, 09:59:09 PM: Any arrow that has aluminum in them can bend - yes! So the guy was right on that aspect. But the aluminum can create greater tolerances in which case causes them to be straighter... If your careful and pay attention to business you shouldn't have any problems with them. And I am not saying that the N-Fused shafts wont shoot well - infact they shoot great, but I am just very picky about what I shoot and when I build my shafts I weigh everything from every nock, insert, each vane and wrap, and even the glue for the vanes and inserts before I apply it. I make sure everything in my control is as perfect as it can get!
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Antlershed on October 20, 2008, 10:12:13 PM: Cool. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on October 20, 2008, 11:46:37 PM: I agree with you that you should be that precise, personally I love the axis.. they group as tight as i want and fly as good as my field points with my mx4..... you cant go wrong with high end easton arrows.. either way you go...
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 21, 2008, 05:42:35 AM: Thanks guys, I already have my mind made up, i am buying the Bear, it is comfortable to shoot.

So the blazer vanes stabilize an arrow faster than the 5 inch vanes???
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Gobble on October 21, 2008, 06:15:40 AM: Quote from: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 21, 2008, 05:42:35 AM
Thanks guys, I already have my mind made up, i am buying the Bear, it is comfortable to shoot.

So the blazer vanes stabilize an arrow faster than the 5 inch vanes???

I love my Bear, you'll be very happy, they are great shooting bows
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Crunchy on October 21, 2008, 06:41:50 AM: I wouldnt bother with the blazer vanes. I did a comparison last year since I fletch my own arrow. I compared the blazer vanes to Vanetech 4 inch vanes. I found that the 4 inch vanes shot as good if not better than the blazer vanes. As far as arrows go. I would buy middle of the road and plain on spending about 80 bucks a dozen arrows. Just make sure you get arrows that are about 8.9 grains per inch minimum cause that will keep you in minimum weight requirement of 420 grains for a 70lb bow.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Bearhunter on October 21, 2008, 06:57:43 AM: Ill second the bowtech comment! This year Ive been shooting the carbon express weight forward arrows. The seem to be very consistent from shaft to shaft and fly spectacular. Field points or broadheads, no sight change between the two. Alot of that has to do with the broadhead and vane combination also though. I am loving the wacem boadheads coupled with the blazers, seems to be a great combination.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on October 21, 2008, 07:30:27 AM: Hey its ok.. lol not sure when if ever hoyt has had a bow recall... ahemmmm the general.. lol but seriously..... its all up to you, I prefer the blazer vanes over any vane ive shot, but as long as your bow shoots well for YOU then it really doesnt matter.. thats the most important thing......
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Antlershed on October 21, 2008, 07:40:13 AM: Quote from: Gobble on October 21, 2008, 06:15:40 AM
Quote from: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 21, 2008, 05:42:35 AM
Thanks guys, I already have my mind made up, i am buying the Bear, it is comfortable to shoot.

So the blazer vanes stabilize an arrow faster than the 5 inch vanes???

I love my Bear, you'll be very happy, they are great shooting bows
x's 2! I love my Truth 2. :twocents:
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Bearhunter on October 21, 2008, 12:07:20 PM: Hoytstaffshooter, I shot the ultratec for the 4 years or so they manufactured it absolutely loved it, was on there shop shooter program. It was just time for a change it was nice getting away from the spongy wall of the cam and half to a rock solid wall of the bowtechs. You are right they are all great bows, they will all probably outshoot the shooter anyways.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: demontang on October 21, 2008, 06:42:22 PM: I shoot beman ics hunters and gold tip series 22 pro's and they both are great shooting arrows. The pros arnt the strongest arrow but they shoot great and where all straight and +/_ 1gr. The Bemans are tough arrows and fly well enough to robin hood with broad heads at 60yd :bash:. All the arrows talk about before are great too so its realy how much you want to spend. :twocents:
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 21, 2008, 09:28:54 PM: I am looking at the beeman ICS shafts. My buddy will put the blazer vanes on for me.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 21, 2008, 09:30:59 PM: Oh yeah, i was thinking about the let off rule. My martin is 60%, most of the new bows are 80% why can't i find the rule in the regs??? Is it still 60%?
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: EastWaViking on October 21, 2008, 09:38:20 PM: I use beman ICS Hunters. I have had some for over 8 years and just keep re-vaning them. I know some of those old arrows have been through at least 6 or 7 different animals and they still fly perfectly.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: bowhuntin on October 25, 2008, 03:13:52 AM: I am shooting the easton nfused carbon arrows. They are tough, shoot straight and haven't caused me any problems. If it ain't broke there is no need to fix it, and easton arrows have always shot true for me with field points or broadheads.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: spin05 on October 25, 2008, 08:44:30 AM: Quote from: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 21, 2008, 09:30:59 PM
Oh yeah, i was thinking about the let off rule. My martin is 60%, most of the new bows are 80% why can't i find the rule in the regs??? Is it still 60%?

They have taken the rule out of the regs.You can now have any let-off you want......I think las year was the 1st year of the change
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 25, 2008, 02:02:35 PM: Nice, thanks spin.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on October 25, 2008, 02:21:58 PM: the old used to be 65% let off not 60% but as stated above its all good now, I had a target bow back in the day that was 80% let off and I hated it..... the wall was way to soft for me, shooting back tension with it was not easy and it never shot as well as I had hoped.............
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: firecrotch on October 28, 2008, 09:24:15 PM: i fletch and wrap all of my arrows and i use vapor 3000's with blazers and wrap. i use a martin moab and love it, a real fast and quiet bow. i have shot both 4in. vanes and blazers and i have found that the vanes shoot better for just target practice with field points. the blazers shoot much better with broadheads, and with the wraps on it levels out the weight just enough to shoot better with field points. with the wraps there isn't any difference between the two with field points.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: archery288 on October 28, 2008, 09:44:03 PM: Quote from: firecrotch on October 28, 2008, 09:24:15 PM
i fletch and wrap all of my arrows and i use vapor 3000's with blazers and wrap. i use a martin moab and love it, a real fast and quiet bow. i have shot both 4in. vanes and blazers and i have found that the vanes shoot better for just target practice with field points. the blazers shoot much better with broadheads, and with the wraps on it levels out the weight just enough to shoot better with field points. with the wraps there isn't any difference between the two with field points.

??? I am not quite sure what you're getting at by that statement?? Wraps will add more weight to the back end of the arrow in which case loosing your front of center... I use wraps, yes - and with my set up they shoot great, but as far as balancing out the shaft it doesn't do anything good for them. And in some cases it can cause more trouble than they are worth... The more weight you can get at the tip of your shaft the better to an extent.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: Coasthunterjay on October 28, 2008, 09:51:42 PM: Ide go eastom epics...and i have herd of people using wraps and the weight added is so small that you will never now a difference...it is ounces......

if it were me and im not a big bow guy but look and research all my options for when i do decide to do archery, it would be a uper end arrow not max end....but upper end arrow like the epics with either blaser wraps and vanes or the quick spin vanes.....i have heard alot of ggood things about all of those....harder plastic, so if you have any rubbing at all you will find out quick, but when they run, they are the best....

but most of this is from what i have read and what i have heard from alot of friends that are in the hunting industrie..... :twocents:
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: jackelope on October 28, 2008, 10:05:55 PM: i don't think epics would be considered upper end arrows....and i don't think wraps ad ounces to the back end of an arrow...
:dunno:

i have had good luck with my easton st axis arrows with wraps and 4 blazers, but it's all i've used to hunt with. i shoot st epics when i am shooting targets and shooting at grouse. key word being shooting AT grouse, not actually shooting grouse yet.

i have only shot easton arrows in my limted bow hunting career of 2 years now.
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: firecrotch on October 28, 2008, 10:43:29 PM: what i was trying to get at is that the vanes have a little more weight than the blazers do, thats why the blazers dont shoot as well as the vanes do with field points. the wraps even it out just enough. blazers are made for broadheads
Title: Re: Arrows
Post by: archery288 on October 28, 2008, 11:11:51 PM: Quote from: firecrotch on October 28, 2008, 10:43:29 PM
what i was trying to get at is that the vanes have a little more weight than the blazers do, thats why the blazers dont shoot as well as the vanes do with field points. the wraps even it out just enough. blazers are made for broadheads

Point made - thank you for the clarification. And blazers will shoot just as well with wraps or without - field points or broadheads if your bow is set up correctly and tuned to that specific shaft combination. Archery has so many different combinations and that is why each of us shoot something different and unique to our own liking... Just my :twocents: