Post by: Jingles on August 10, 2013, 05:33:30 PM
Did a quick scan of the rules and regs for big game hunting and didn't see anything so I presume there isn't anything that prohibits it
Post by: buckfvr on August 10, 2013, 05:46:33 PM
Post by: barracuda163 on August 10, 2013, 06:26:14 PM
Post by: mulehunter on August 10, 2013, 06:32:25 PM
I heard its still legal to call coyotes..... ;)
:yeah:
Post by: Houndhunter on August 10, 2013, 06:37:13 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 10, 2013, 06:51:28 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on August 10, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.
If your howling for wolves your hunting, make sure you understand that. Any thing can be considered pursuit, and every pursuit is considered hunting. Just saying these guys saying howling is ok, is not ok by law. Again, i don't think most gamies would give you trouble but don't go by bearpaw's advice. No offense, but you are 100% wrong. If you call in wolves, even if just for pics, expect to have the chance to be persecuted for "hunting" wolves. That's the truth. I am amazed guys post pics of them on the web here in wa, just asking for trouble
Post by: woodman on August 10, 2013, 08:15:01 PM
If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.
If your howling for wolves your hunting, make sure you understand that. Any thing can be considered pursuit, and every pursuit is considered hunting. Just saying these guys saying howling is ok, is not ok by law. Again, i don't think most gamies would give you trouble but don't go by bearpaw's advice. No offense, but you are 100% wrong. If you call in wolves, even if just for pics, expect to have the chance to be persecuted for "hunting" wolves. That's the truth. I am amazed guys post pics of them on the web here in wa, just asking for trouble
What if you are calling for something else and a wolf comes in. If you photograph it are you sayng that you would be in trouble?
Post by: 3nails on August 10, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
Great point. Getting a ticket for calling in a wolf as "hunting" ain't gonna happen.If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.
If your howling for wolves your hunting, make sure you understand that. Any thing can be considered pursuit, and every pursuit is considered hunting. Just saying these guys saying howling is ok, is not ok by law. Again, i don't think most gamies would give you trouble but don't go by bearpaw's advice. No offense, but you are 100% wrong. If you call in wolves, even if just for pics, expect to have the chance to be persecuted for "hunting" wolves. That's the truth. I am amazed guys post pics of them on the web here in wa, just asking for trouble
What if you are calling for something else and a wolf comes in. If you photograph it are you sayng that you would be in trouble?
Post by: CedarPants on August 10, 2013, 08:55:40 PM
That story was posted on here somewhere.
Post by: buckfvr on August 10, 2013, 09:02:21 PM
Post by: seth30 on August 10, 2013, 09:08:53 PM
Post by: CedarPants on August 10, 2013, 09:16:09 PM
I'm talking Holstein, Hereford, and Angus cow calls - not Rocky Mountain Elk
Post by: Houndhunter on August 10, 2013, 09:18:51 PM
If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.
If your howling for wolves your hunting, make sure you understand that. Any thing can be considered pursuit, and every pursuit is considered hunting. Just saying these guys saying howling is ok, is not ok by law. Again, i don't think most gamies would give you trouble but don't go by bearpaw's advice. No offense, but you are 100% wrong. If you call in wolves, even if just for pics, expect to have the chance to be persecuted for "hunting" wolves. That's the truth. I am amazed guys post pics of them on the web here in wa, just asking for trouble
What if you are calling for something else and a wolf comes in. If you photograph it are you sayng that you would be in trouble?
Yep, i would not doubt wdfw to fine you for hunting wolves if that circumstance were to happen.... Just ask guys who have already been their....
Post by: bearpaw on August 10, 2013, 09:44:14 PM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010)
RCW 77.08.010
Definitions.
(65) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird.
Post by: Curly on August 11, 2013, 05:55:17 AM
:o
Post by: denali on August 11, 2013, 09:26:58 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 11, 2013, 09:33:45 AM
I would call Olympia and ask!
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010)
RCW 77.08.010
Definitions.
(65) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird.
If you're a hunter, calling wolves is illegal. If you're a wolf loving greenie, calling wolves is ok. :twocents:
:o
That depends on what the definition of harass may be and exactly what you intend to do if a wolf answers or calls in? If you snap a photo is that harassment, I don't think so. People snap photos of wildlife within parks in WA every year and they are not written a ticket. We post photos of wildlife year around on the forum. Is simply the act of calling considered harassing? I think a person needs to clarify by calling enforcement in Olympia.
Post by: Special T on August 11, 2013, 05:13:49 PM
Post by: Curly on August 11, 2013, 05:56:16 PM
I could not re-find it but there was a discussion about calling elk for some one else and if you needed a lic or not. I searched the elk hunting and Gen topic but could not find it is not very old. 3 weeks max. :twocents:
Little longer ago than you remembered: Try this (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,127826.0.html)
Post by: Special T on August 11, 2013, 08:05:16 PM
Post by: Kain on August 11, 2013, 09:19:59 PM
They still do howling surveys.
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Dear Mr. Kain,
We will be happy to send you copies of photos of the wolves in Washington that were from remote cameras or from the brief capture and radio-collaring of the male wolf, but it would be illegal to call and locate them for purposes of photo opportunities. The wolf is an endangered species in Washington under both state and federal law. The federal listing includes the western 2/3 of Washington, and they are state listed throughout Washington. This activity (calling wolves in for purposes of photographing them) would be considered harassment and would not be conducive to protecting the wolves from disturbance; repeat calling can also push wolves out of their use areas. We appreciate your interest in this state endangered species, and request that you not attempt to call wolves for photo opportunities in Washington.
If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to contact the Wildlife Program at (360) 902-2515.
Sincerely,
Wildlife Program Customer Service
(360) 902-2515
TTY: (800) 833-6388
Fax: (360) 902-2162
http://wdfw.wa.gov (http://wdfw.wa.gov)
Post by: h2ofowlr on August 11, 2013, 09:50:36 PM
Post by: wolfbait on August 11, 2013, 11:15:31 PM
"This activity (calling wolves in for purposes of photographing them) would be considered harassment and would not be conducive to protecting the wolves from disturbance; repeat calling can also push wolves out of their use areas. We appreciate your interest in this state endangered species, and request that you not attempt to call wolves for photo opportunities in Washington"
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If calling for wolves pushes wolves off why haven't WDFW etc. mentioned this method for driving livestock killing wolves off the livestock?
I wonder if they are more concerned about others finding out just how many wolves there really are in WA.
My neighbor had wolves after her housecat the other night about 3;00 in the morning, I guess I will tell her to start calling them so they will run off.
I don't suppose it would hurt to do howling serveys, that way at least we can estimate where the wolves/wolf packs are as long as there is no picture taking going on it should be ok? :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on August 11, 2013, 11:32:48 PM
There was a news story last year from The Wedge (before they "wiped them out") Can't find the footage now, but the bio up there was howling and got a response.
That story was posted on here somewhere.
There are still wedge pack wolves and they are still killing cattle this year.
Watch the look on his face when all the wolves start howling. :chuckle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM#)
Post by: Smossy on August 11, 2013, 11:41:15 PM
Good video, thanks for posting bearpaw, how old is that?There was a news story last year from The Wedge (before they "wiped them out") Can't find the footage now, but the bio up there was howling and got a response.
That story was posted on here somewhere.
There are still wedge pack wolves and they are still killing cattle this year.
Watch the look on his face when all the wolves start howling. :chuckle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM#)
Post by: bearpaw on August 11, 2013, 11:45:47 PM
Good video, thanks for posting bearpaw, how old is that?There was a news story last year from The Wedge (before they "wiped them out") Can't find the footage now, but the bio up there was howling and got a response.
That story was posted on here somewhere.
There are still wedge pack wolves and they are still killing cattle this year.
Watch the look on his face when all the wolves start howling. :chuckle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM#)
Published on Aug 31, 2012
KING 5 News
Post by: bearpaw on August 11, 2013, 11:47:06 PM
Post by: Northway on August 12, 2013, 09:19:43 AM
If you have no weapon and are not pursuing with hounds, I don't see how you can be classified as hunting. The greenies go howling for wolves all the time and that does not seem to be illegal.
I think most of the folks that you are talking about who have bragged publicly about howling for wolves had a bio either doing the howling or there with them.
From a prosecution standpoint, it seems there would be difficulty in convicting someone for this type of crime. What is the burden of proof to separate someone who is out truly trying to howl wolves in from the drunk next to the campfire who's howling at the moon?
Post by: CedarPants on August 12, 2013, 09:32:33 AM
Good video, thanks for posting bearpaw, how old is that?There was a news story last year from The Wedge (before they "wiped them out") Can't find the footage now, but the bio up there was howling and got a response.
That story was posted on here somewhere.
There are still wedge pack wolves and they are still killing cattle this year.
Watch the look on his face when all the wolves start howling. :chuckle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2H-0to6yJM#)
Published on Aug 31, 2012
KING 5 News
That's the one :tup:
I was lurking around in the CNF in 111 yesterday and didn't call to any wolves. I did however stumble across a few head of cattle that were throwing out intermittent wolf calls
Post by: boneaddict on August 12, 2013, 09:35:09 AM
You mean ringing the dinner bell
I will not confirm or deny that I call for wolves just as much as I do elk, moose, deer, or coyotes.
Post by: boneaddict on August 12, 2013, 09:36:20 AM
Post by: Northway on August 12, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning. IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.
I'll take that over griz encounters any day. My concern about them when backpacking in griz country embarrasses me.
Post by: bearpaw on August 12, 2013, 10:10:37 AM
And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning. IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.
My son has had wolves flank him 80-200 yards and howling/barking for miles walking out after dark when hound hunting in Idaho, the hounds were scared and sticking close, he was just as scared or more scared than the dogs. That hasn't happened to me yet, and I hope it doesn't.
:bdid:
Post by: Kain on August 12, 2013, 10:22:08 AM
And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning. IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.
My son has had wolves flank him 80-200 yards and howling/barking for miles walking out after dark when hound hunting in Idaho, the hounds were scared and sticking close, he was just as scared or more scared than the dogs. That hasn't happened to me yet, and I hope it doesn't.
:bdid:
Nightmares!
Post by: boneaddict on August 12, 2013, 10:37:06 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 12, 2013, 10:38:10 AM
Post by: wolfbait on August 12, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning. IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.
Howling serveys tend to cut down on the pucker facter, especialy in the Methow. After a while it is just like your neighors dogs howling. When the abulance or cops sirens go off you can hear WDFW's wolves howling, I wonder if WDFW would consider that wolf harassment? :yike:
What about wolves harassing ranchers and your every day micro ranches? I kind of think WDFW would have a hard time pressing the issue, after all wouldn't they have to answer to the fact that they refuse to confirm known wolf packs?
Post by: KFhunter on August 12, 2013, 10:25:31 PM
I'd be wanting to strap half a dozen headlamps around my noggin so I could see 360 degrees :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on August 12, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
And just so you know, when they howl 100 yards out or less on each side of you at one in the morning. IT WILL make you pucker, no matter how seasoned of a woodsman you are.
I'll take that over griz encounters any day. My concern about them when backpacking in griz country embarrasses me.
I'm with ya too, Grizz scare the hell outta me. A fresh grizz track and I'm hunting elsewhere!
I gotta save a bunch of :twocents: and go hunt one. Maybe when I retire.
Post by: h2ofowlr on August 12, 2013, 11:15:34 PM