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Post by: Stilly bay on August 12, 2013, 08:13:38 PM
Post by: steve04 on August 12, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
Forget about hunting and focus on BASIC OBEDIENCE! Otherwise you have no business even letting your dog off the leash, let alone taking it hunting.:yeah:
Post by: waortah54 on August 12, 2013, 11:11:02 PM
Posted by: Stilly bay
« on: Today at 08:13:38 PM » Insert Quote
Forget about hunting and focus on BASIC OBEDIENCE! Otherwise you have no business even letting your dog off the leash, let alone taking it hunting.
She is very obedient with everything else. It's just when she puts the nose to the ground and smells rabbits or any birds it's game on and that's what I need to correct. I was asking for opinions on how you guys fix that problem with yours dogs? How to get them out of he hunting mood and listen to what you ask.
Post by: KFhunter on August 12, 2013, 11:45:37 PM
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Post by: Stilly bay on August 13, 2013, 12:06:09 AM
all it takes is consistency, The most important thing to remember is if you know the dog can hear you, calling her name ONCE should be enough, if you feel like you need to call it a second time its best to correct the dog instead.
get a long check cord and an a E collar.
work her in the yard with the check cord and the collar around her neck -BUT NOT ON.
once she knows what is expected of her you can turn the e collar on and use the check cord and low setting nick from the Ecollar at the same time as you call her.
Then once you do that for a few days you can lose the check cord.
Call the dog ONCE and then nick her with a low setting.
Don't give her a chance to obey the command, don't wait to see if she heard you, just call and nick at the lowest setting your transmitter has that will get a response from her. This will put the idea in her head that she has to get back to you before getting nicked, but since you are calling and nicking at the same time it should create a great sense of urgency in your dog to get back since she will try to beat the e-collar to the punch.
Try to practice this at as many different locations as possible.
don't ever let her out in a situation that you have no control over her with that ecollar. IF she gets away from you and ignores your first call and you don't have the collar and transmitter available, don't bother calling a second time, run her down. Calling the dog back repeatedly with no way to back it up will only reinforce the idea that she doesn't have to listen when the collar isn't on. Most dogs get collar wise fast especially if their owner is inconsistent.
when your dog stops what ever it is its doing and returns to you like her life depended on it,she is ready to take hunting... or at least more ready than she was.
Don't feel bad about using the E collar, this will save your dog's life someday.
Post by: Machias on August 13, 2013, 04:43:16 AM
Post by: jennyfell55 on August 13, 2013, 04:58:44 AM
If she doesn't come when called she is not very obedient. Thats like saying my "car's power windows and door locks work great but the engine won't turn over".
all it takes is consistency, The most important thing to remember is if you know the dog can hear you, calling her name ONCE should be enough, if you feel like you need to call it a second time its best to correct the dog instead.
get a long check cord and an a E collar.
work her in the yard with the check cord and the collar around her neck -BUT NOT ON.
once she knows what is expected of her you can turn the e collar on and use the check cord and low setting nick from the Ecollar at the same time as you call her.
Then once you do that for a few days you can lose the check cord.
Call the dog ONCE and then nick her with a low setting.
Don't give her a chance to obey the command, don't wait to see if she heard you, just call and nick at the lowest setting your transmitter has that will get a response from her. This will put the idea in her head that she has to get back to you before getting nicked, but since you are calling and nicking at the same time it should create a great sense of urgency in your dog to get back since she will try to beat the e-collar to the punch.
Try to practice this at as many different locations as possible.
don't ever let her out in a situation that you have no control over her with that ecollar. IF she gets away from you and ignores your first call and you don't have the collar and transmitter available, don't bother calling a second time, run her down. Calling the dog back repeatedly with no way to back it up will only reinforce the idea that she doesn't have to listen when the collar isn't on. Most dogs get collar wise fast especially if their owner is inconsistent.
when your dog stops what ever it is its doing and returns to you like her life depended on it,she is ready to take hunting... or at least more ready than she was.
Don't feel bad about using the E collar, this will save your dog's life someday.
:yeah: Absolutely fantastic advice!
Post by: AspenBud on August 13, 2013, 06:51:22 AM
http://www.dobbsdogs.com/library/pointing/index.html (http://www.dobbsdogs.com/library/pointing/index.html)
I'll only add that this is something you should not rush. Take it slow and get it right. If that means the dog doesn't hunt this season, so be it.
Side note, is the dog gun conditioned yet? If not, you'll need to very carefully do that as well.
Also, buy a Garmin Alpha or Garmin Astro. They are not a substitute for training however.
Post by: ghosthunter on August 13, 2013, 06:54:41 AM
Forget about hunting and focus on BASIC OBEDIENCE! Otherwise you have no business even letting your dog off the leash, let alone taking it hunting.
:yeah:
Post by: AspenBud on August 13, 2013, 06:57:27 AM
Posted by: Stilly bay
« on: Today at 08:13:38 PM » Insert Quote
Forget about hunting and focus on BASIC OBEDIENCE! Otherwise you have no business even letting your dog off the leash, let alone taking it hunting.
She is very obedient with everything else. It's just when she puts the nose to the ground and smells rabbits or any birds it's game on and that's what I need to correct. I was asking for opinions on how you guys fix that problem with yours dogs? How to get them out of he hunting mood and listen to what you ask.
Your goal isn't to get her out of her hunting mood. Drive is good.
Your goal is to get her to handle.
Hey, if guys can train Pointers bred to run off horse to handle in the woods on foot without an e-collar it is doable.
Post by: ghosthunter on August 13, 2013, 06:59:16 AM
If she doesn't come when called she is not very obedient. Thats like saying my "car's power windows and door locks work great but the engine won't turn over".
all it takes is consistency, The most important thing to remember is if you know the dog can hear you, calling her name ONCE should be enough, if you feel like you need to call it a second time its best to correct the dog instead.
get a long check cord and an a E collar.
work her in the yard with the check cord and the collar around her neck -BUT NOT ON.
once she knows what is expected of her you can turn the e collar on and use the check cord and low setting nick from the Ecollar at the same time as you call her.
Then once you do that for a few days you can lose the check cord.
Call the dog ONCE and then nick her with a low setting.
Don't give her a chance to obey the command, don't wait to see if she heard you, just call and nick at the lowest setting your transmitter has that will get a response from her. This will put the idea in her head that she has to get back to you before getting nicked, but since you are calling and nicking at the same time it should create a great sense of urgency in your dog to get back since she will try to beat the e-collar to the punch.
Try to practice this at as many different locations as possible.
don't ever let her out in a situation that you have no control over her with that ecollar. IF she gets away from you and ignores your first call and you don't have the collar and transmitter available, don't bother calling a second time, run her down. Calling the dog back repeatedly with no way to back it up will only reinforce the idea that she doesn't have to listen when the collar isn't on. Most dogs get collar wise fast especially if their owner is inconsistent.
when your dog stops what ever it is its doing and returns to you like her life depended on it,she is ready to take hunting... or at least more ready than she was.
Don't feel bad about using the E collar, this will save your dog's life someday.
:yeah:
Post by: mburrows on August 16, 2013, 11:01:20 AM
Post by: Curly on August 16, 2013, 11:15:43 AM
Great advice!!
:yeah:
:tup: