Post by: khunter#1 on August 14, 2013, 12:02:59 AM
Post by: Smossy on August 14, 2013, 12:04:30 AM
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Post by: khunter#1 on August 14, 2013, 12:12:35 AM
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 14, 2013, 12:20:42 AM
Post by: syoungs on August 14, 2013, 12:20:58 AM
Post by: khunter#1 on August 14, 2013, 12:38:48 AM
Post by: Smossy on August 14, 2013, 12:45:34 AM
One of my buddies shot a whitetail doe in the back of the head and the arrow didn't penetrate at all and saw her running around for a few weeks with the arrow still in her :bdid:Kinda like this guy did?
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Post by: alwinearcher on August 14, 2013, 12:47:23 AM
It was a good thing that old boy was shot with a hoyt ;)One of my buddies shot a whitetail doe in the back of the head and the arrow didn't penetrate at all and saw her running around for a few weeks with the arrow still in her :bdid:Kinda like this guy did?
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Post by: Jellymon on August 14, 2013, 12:51:44 AM
It was a good thing that old boy was shot with a hoyt ;)One of my buddies shot a whitetail doe in the back of the head and the arrow didn't penetrate at all and saw her running around for a few weeks with the arrow still in her :bdid:Kinda like this guy did?
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It would have been best with a bowtech, the limbs would delaminate and it would derail and the arrow would have never left the bow. :chuckle:
Post by: alwinearcher on August 14, 2013, 12:54:28 AM
HAHAHA Best laugh I have heard all week!It was a good thing that old boy was shot with a hoyt ;)One of my buddies shot a whitetail doe in the back of the head and the arrow didn't penetrate at all and saw her running around for a few weeks with the arrow still in her :bdid:Kinda like this guy did?
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It would have been best with a bowtech, the limbs would delaminate and it would derail and the arrow would have never left the bow. :chuckle:
Now there is a bowtech add for you! "safety first"!
Post by: RadSav on August 14, 2013, 12:56:32 AM
On an even more important note is in the likelihood of a non-lethal impact. An impact to the head with an arrow that does not take down the animal results in pictures and stories similar to the picture that Smossy posted. Arrow there for everyone to see and bad mouth the efficiencies of archery hunting. Miss your spot on an animal while shooting for the shoulder and the evidence of the animal being hit is almost if not most of the time hidden. Giving little ammunition for anti hunters to post pictures and tell of the terrible inefficient bloodsport that archery murder is. The head shot is just not a very smart choice unless circumstances are special.
For instance; Back in '87 I was hunting the Oregon coast for deer and elk. While driving from one hunting spot to another I came across another bowhunter frantically waving me down. When I stopped he had told me he shot a cow and needed more arrows. He was thrilled by the fact he had hit the cow with all five Punchcutter tipped arrows. "Those broadheads are awesome", he said, "I've been hunting for three years and this is the first time I have been able to hit an elk. And I hit her with all five shots!" :bash: Well it ended up that my arrows were too short to shoot out of his bow. And I wasn't really excited about him shooting any more with Punchcutters. So I offered to help him track and finish off the cow if required. We did not need to track very far before we found her bedded in some salal. Only thing exposed was her head. So with the chances of her escape virtually zero I took the shot behind one ear and out the opposite eye. Special circumstance with a good result. The only real good option in taking a head shot IMO.
The very next day while hunting with Duke Savora I took a spike bull at 70 yards with a fresh bladed broadhead a little far back but caught both lungs. The small bull ran about ten yards where he ran head first into a stump piling up with his rump sticking straight up in the air. Big target, slight error in L/R, still a quick death and a short recovery. Myself, I will take that every day over the gamble of a head shot.
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 14, 2013, 12:57:51 AM
Yea and it penetrated about that much tooOne of my buddies shot a whitetail doe in the back of the head and the arrow didn't penetrate at all and saw her running around for a few weeks with the arrow still in her :bdid:Kinda like this guy did?
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Post by: alwinearcher on August 14, 2013, 01:05:53 AM
Not only is the brain a very small target, but the lethal area of the brain is even smaller. You can get away with a lot using a bullet due to the fragmentation and hydraulic shock. However there is no such terminal forces at work with an arrow. Plus even with a perfect shot the curvature of the skull will make most arrow shots skip or glace at point of impact leading to penetration of areas you might not have wanted the arrow to go. If you are shooting a dull broadhead you might be able to kill an animal faster with a shot to the brain than with a shot to the lungs. However, with a properly sharpened broadhead a shot to the much larger chest area will result in an extremely fast expiration. Most of the elk and deer we shoot are on the ground within 30 yards. Bear usually travel even less! How much faster a kill are you expecting? Or I guess I should ask, how slow of a kill are you expecting with your archery equipment?:yeah:
On an even more important note is in the likelihood of a non-lethal impact. An impact to the head with an arrow that does not take down the animal results in pictures and stories similar to the picture that Smossy posted. Arrow there for everyone to see and bad mouth the efficiencies of archery hunting. Miss your spot on an animal while shooting for the shoulder and the evidence of the animal being hit is almost if not most of the time hidden. Giving little ammunition for anti hunters to post pictures and tell of the terrible inefficient bloodspot that archery murder is. The head shot is just not a very smart choice unless circumstances are special.
For instance; Back in '87 I was hunting the Oregon coast for deer and elk. While driving from one hunting spot to another I came across another bowhunter frantically waving me down. When I stopped he had told me he shot a cow and needed more arrows. He was thrilled by the fact he had hit the cow with all five Punchcutter tipped arrows. "Those broadheads are awesome", he said, "I've been hunting for three years and this is the first time I have been able to hit an elk. And I hit her with all five shots!" :bash: Well it ended up that my arrows were to short to shoot out of his bow. And I wasn't really excited about him shooting any more with Punchcutters. So I offered to help him track and finish off the cow if required. We did not need to track very far before we founder her bedded in some salal. Only thing exposed was her head. So with the chances of her escape virtually zero I took the shot behind one ear and out the opposite eye. Special circumstance with a good result. The only real good option in taking a head shot IMO.
The very next day while hunting with Duke Savora I took a spike bull at 70 yards with a fresh bladed broadhead a little far back but caught both lungs. The small bull ran about ten yards where he ran head first into a stump piling up with his rump sticking straight up in the air. Big target, slight error in L/R, still a quick death and a short recovery. Myself, I will take that every day over the gamble of a head shot.
But I didnt laugh when I read your post, so im still giving Kudos to Jellymon.. ;)
Post by: boneaddict on August 14, 2013, 02:46:47 AM
You couldn't pay me enough money to take a head shot with a bow. Unethical IMO.:yeah:
Post by: PolarBear on August 14, 2013, 03:30:00 AM
:yeah: :yeah:You couldn't pay me enough money to take a head shot with a bow. Unethical IMO.:yeah:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 14, 2013, 06:58:45 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 14, 2013, 08:17:57 AM
Post by: h20hunter on August 14, 2013, 08:21:35 AM
Now...a couple funny ones I've seen on YouTube is guys getting buck fever and not realising where they were aiming....one comes to mind where a massive buck takes an arrow to the antler and gets up and trots off.
Post by: spotnstalkmuleys on August 14, 2013, 08:39:55 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on August 14, 2013, 09:08:53 AM
Post by: Holg3107 on August 14, 2013, 09:21:32 AM
Look at reply 64 for a pic and read the whole thread for comic relief.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112646.50.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112646.50.html)
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 14, 2013, 09:46:32 AM
Really, you would think that it would die pretty quick :dunno:
Quick if you hit it exactly right. This, in my opinion, is worse than a straight on bow shot - very low percentage shot. I wouldn't hunt with someone who would take this shot. My :twocents:
Post by: Elkrunner on August 14, 2013, 09:49:55 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 14, 2013, 09:54:54 AM
I cant believe anyone would even think about taking that shot...
At least he's asking the question. Someone who's used to rifle hunting and new to bow hunting might not have these points occur to him. I think that taking the extra step to get opinions shows concern for doing the right thing. I applaud the OP for asking. :tup:
Post by: Elkrunner on August 14, 2013, 10:00:57 AM
:yeah:I cant believe anyone would even think about taking that shot...
At least he's asking the question. Someone who's used to rifle hunting and new to bow hunting might not have these points occur to him. I think that taking the extra step to get opinions shows concern for doing the right thing. I applaud the OP for asking. :tup:
Post by: swwaoutdoorsman on August 15, 2013, 11:15:43 AM
Post by: jackelope on August 15, 2013, 11:34:55 AM
Have done on both deer and elk when they're bedded and wounded. DOES MOT WORK WELL... If you can get a shot with then facing to one side the jugular works best they bleed out very fast :twocents:
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If you can reliably hit something the size of the jugular vein on a deer every time under non-perfect scenraios, then go for it. If you can't then don't. That, in my opinion, is a higher risk shot than a head shot with way too much potential for a non-lethal shot. If it's a wounded animal, and you're just looking to put another hail mary shot into them, then I guess, but not really too keen on that idea even.
Post by: Broken Arrow on August 15, 2013, 12:05:05 PM
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Post by: Dr. Death on August 15, 2013, 01:35:04 PM
Post by: khunter#1 on August 15, 2013, 01:53:30 PM
Post by: h20hunter on August 15, 2013, 01:59:15 PM
Nobody would suggest a head shot for a first. However, if you are on a wounded animal and have no other shot then a head/neck is warranted. Do what you have to do to finish the job. Not every hunt goes perfect. Not every animal takes a few steps and falls over.
Post by: luvmystang67 on August 15, 2013, 02:17:13 PM
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Post by: h20hunter on August 15, 2013, 02:36:49 PM
Post by: swwaoutdoorsman on August 15, 2013, 03:03:15 PM
Well I'm speaking of 10-15 yd shot its worked on several occasions for me never failing. I've seen complete pass through on head shots and arrows that don't penetrate far enough. :dunno: in my experience its always workedHave done on both deer and elk when they're bedded and wounded. DOES MOT WORK WELL... If you can get a shot with then facing to one side the jugular works best they bleed out very fast :twocents:
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If you can reliably hit something the size of the jugular vein on a deer every time under non-perfect scenraios, then go for it. If you can't then don't. That, in my opinion, is a higher risk shot than a head shot with way too much potential for a non-lethal shot. If it's a wounded animal, and you're just looking to put another hail mary shot into them, then I guess, but not really too keen on that idea even.
Post by: Band on August 16, 2013, 09:06:47 AM
I guess it was a dumb question, new to bow hunting in general, I just bought my bow a few weeks ago and trying to gather as much information as possible. I usually rifle hunt.Actually, I think it is a very good question, one that all archery hunters will consider at some point.
As you can see from the responses, it is a very unethical shot in all but the most extreme of circumstances. I personally would never take an archery head shot with my first arrow. I could see the slight possibility of using a head shot on a wounded, bedded animal that needs to be put out of their misery when no other shot is possible but my guess is that most of us will never be in that position.
My brother was in a head shot situation on a spike elk last year from 20 yards and I advised him not to take the shot. It wasn't long before the wind direction changed and we were winded causing the herd to bolt but I don't regret my advice to him.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 16, 2013, 10:06:01 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 16, 2013, 10:07:22 AM
I guess it was a dumb question, new to bow hunting in general, I just bought my bow a few weeks ago and trying to gather as much information as possible. I usually rifle hunt.Not at all - asking these questions and contemplating scenarios before they arise is smart and a really good idea.
Post by: deerslyr on August 16, 2013, 11:01:27 AM
Another one I dont see come up a lot is the neck shot with a bow. I urge you not to do it. The area you have to hit to be effective is very small, I found out the hard way as an inexperienced bow hunter.
The first stalk I ever put on a mule deer buck. He was a 4 point bedded underneath a rimrock cliff, absolute text book stalk from 700 yards away. I came in right on top of him and was only about a 15 foot shot. As I was drawing he saw my shadow and stood up, put my pin in the middle of his neck and drilled him. Watched him run for 700 yards and disappear over the next ridge, searched for 3 days and never found him. The worst feeling Ive ever had. Did a little research and found where I hit him was right in between the spine and the artery. Both small targets to hit.
Post by: Smokey Bear on August 23, 2013, 12:47:48 AM
My father killed a spike deer with an arrow shot to the head accidentally. His first year bow hunting and I was about 12 years old. Using an old Darton compound with homemade sights. He brought the bow up and aimed and all he saw was brown fur for each pin, so he let one go. Hit that deer temple to temple and it didn't take a step. Once again, inexperienced and not aiming correctly.
I won't intentionally shoot at the head.
Post by: throttlejocky20 on August 23, 2013, 09:18:29 AM
Post by: cryder on August 24, 2013, 07:02:01 AM
I shot a doe in the head...... It was not pretty. I originally shot her with a liver shot. When I walked up to her saw her still alive I thought I would put another arrow in her. She was in thick brush and facing me so I had a good chest shot. Well I let loose my arrow and she dropped her head. The arrow went right between her eyes. She jumped up and ran with her face pinned to her chest. It was horrible! I ran her down tackled her and cut her throat. I hated every second of it but killing is a dirty business and once you loose an arrow or shoot a bullet you have an obligation to kill that animal as fast as you can. I have cut three throats of three animals only one was mine and I HATE every second of it. I cover their eyes and hold them till they die. It is the one part about hunting that I really dislike but like I said getting them killed is the most human thing to do so it must be done.aabsagalooooly !
Post by: KFhunter on August 24, 2013, 07:46:04 PM
I've never attempted a head shot or a butthole shot nor will I ever. I dunno why somoene would want to spray their meat with urine/feces and mess up some of the best meat there is.
That texas heart shot thread was appaling, that arrow looked to penetrate the lower intestine and poke into the tenderloin and taint it with feces
yuck - that ain't hunting.
Hunting isn't just finding animals, it's getting into position to make an ethical shot with the highest chances of recovery possible then rendering the animal in a responsible way. This includes not letting the meat rot in the freezer people.
If you ain't a good enough hunter to make a clean ethical shot then your just another jackwad out destroying animals.
Post by: smalldog on August 24, 2013, 09:34:30 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 24, 2013, 09:38:48 PM
Of all the bad shots that a person could take, that one is the worst one. Heart and lungs are the best shots. Its easer than you think to wound an animal with a bow. If you have been bowhunting for a while you will find this a fact. You owe it to the animal to make clean humane kill.Better in the head than the butthole. :twocents:
Post by: bearbaito6 on August 24, 2013, 10:42:59 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 25, 2013, 04:19:10 PM
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eventually some end up on the media for all to see the horror - just like when we lost hound hunting and body gripping traps
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_11298584 (http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_11298584)
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http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11325291 (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11325291)
So pratice pratice pratice and my advice is skip the apple sized target surrounded by hard bone and shoot for the soft boiler room
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http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7190983 (http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7190983)
eventually you end up with this, this animal died a slow painful one
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Post by: smalldog on August 25, 2013, 11:21:01 PM
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