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Title: Make 2013 the year you cut and wrap your own wild game.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 18, 2013, 09:20:04 PM: Happens every year around here. Guys at the last minute have to take their wild game to a butcher to get, well...."butchered". For profit butchers who are in this business vary in quality of work and cost. You are not always assured to get your own meat back, and the end product may not be what you expected. I am not going to bash butchers any more than that.

Instead, if you cut and wrap your own meat, you are totally in charge. I feel that you can assure less waste, better quality, and far better wrapping.

Plan now to get ready to process wild game this year.

At a bare minimum, you will need;

*Place to hang, cool, cut and wrap your game.
*Good knife, cutting boards, knife sharpener.
*Clean bins to toss cut meat into.
*Quality plastic wrap (saran type wrap) (Or Vacuum packing supplies)
*Waxed butcher type paper and masking tape, marking pens.

If you are planning to learn this rewarding part of hunting, get ready now. Get your supplies early. Line up a buddy who already knows how to do this, or go online to get a good idea of how to do this.

Members have even offered to come help newbies. What an offer!
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Post by: 3nails on August 18, 2013, 09:33:53 PM: I'd be willing to show someone how we do it in Whatcom Co. For quality table fare cutting and wrapping your own is the best way to go. :twocents:
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Post by: deerhunter_98520 on August 19, 2013, 04:50:49 PM: I've always done my own
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Post by: Eli346 on August 19, 2013, 05:43:15 PM: Thurston or Mason county? I can help if not out hunting! I've done my own for a lot of years but I learn something new every time I cut one up. Never quit learning.
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Post by: elk247 on August 19, 2013, 05:53:04 PM: Quote from: deerhunter_98520 on August 19, 2013, 04:50:49 PM
I've always done my own
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Deerhunter you are killing me with the pic of the backstrap. Im not sure how I will be able to think straight waiting for Sept. 1st.
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Post by: Johnb317 on August 19, 2013, 05:57:21 PM: If you're butchering Elk I would suggest freezing the meat in a cooler with Dry Ice.

Too much mass for a regular freezer and it won't freeze fast enough. Better off doing the above and quick freezing..... meat will last longer and taste better when thawed out.
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Post by: Tjajwilson on August 19, 2013, 06:16:41 PM: I am a butcher of wild game for others, have done it a few years now out of my garage. It works well when the person who is cutting up your animal is a normal hunter like I am. And in case you need help with yours pm me I'll help.

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Post by: Sportfury on August 19, 2013, 06:26:04 PM: Anyone have any good recommendations on dvds (or youtube) for cutting and wrapping. I cut and wrapped my sons elk last year and just used the computer to look at different cuts of meat, but it would be nice to see how the pros do it.
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Post by: Eli346 on August 19, 2013, 07:42:51 PM: I haven't looked at them but I've been told that Outdoor Edge has some vids out on butchering.
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Post by: dscubame on August 19, 2013, 08:07:29 PM: Nothing is wrong with using a butcher. They have been around forever and for good reason. Why the negativity of "not doing your own".

I pay for a car wash and have not "done my own" for over a decade.
I have a house cleaner come once a month to help out the wife so she does not "do her own".
I have Window washers come once every 3 months so I do not "do my own" windows.
I have Jiffy Lube change my oil in the truck and car so I do not "do my own"
I have Symetra Investments invest for me so I do not "do my own" investing.
I have a CPA do my taxes so I do not "do my own" for uncle sam.

I "do my own" lawn mowing.
I "do my own" butchering of elk and deer.
I "do my own" home remodel that is a seriously long list of trades.
I "do my own" chain saw chain and lawn mower blade sharpening.

So I am sure everyone has a list that differs from mine but why the big chest of superiority of "I do my own" butchering? This is not in reply to the OP rather I agree with the OP that this comes up every year and this is my general thought.

Each his own right?
Title: Re: Make 2013 the year you cut and wrap your own wild game.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 19, 2013, 09:15:17 PM: Quote from: dscubame on August 19, 2013, 08:07:29 PM
Nothing is wrong with using a butcher. They have been around forever and for good reason. Why the negativity of "not doing your own".

I pay for a car wash and have not "done my own" for over a decade.
I have a house cleaner come once a month to help out the wife so she does not "do her own".
I have Window washers come once every 3 months so I do not "do my own" windows.
I have Jiffy Lube change my oil in the truck and car so I do not "do my own"
I have Symetra Investments invest for me so I do not "do my own" investing.
I have a CPA do my taxes so I do not "do my own" for uncle sam.

I "do my own" lawn mowing.
I "do my own" butchering of elk and deer.
I "do my own" home remodel that is a seriously long list of trades.
I "do my own" chain saw chain and lawn mower blade sharpening.

So I am sure everyone has a list that differs from mine but why the big chest of superiority of "I do my own" butchering? This is not in reply to the OP rather I agree with the OP that this comes up every year and this is my general thought.

Each his own right?

I will answer up.

My thought is that because the meat will go to my freezer, I can dedicate more time to caring for the meat than a butcher can. I trim meat off the bone and do not use a bone saw, many butchers use a bone saw to cut a quarter quickly. Remember, they are in the business to make money. They cannot possible spend the time many of us do, to debone the entire animal. Since the meat is mine, I can also make sure every cut is the cut I want. IE: more steaks, less grinder. When you cut for yourself, you can decide to work over irregular sections of meat that are normally destined for the grinder, and instead make small steak cutlets from them. Butchers cannot generally perform this way. Lastly and most importantly, when processing your own game, you can take the time necessary to really wrap it well. My group does two heavy wraps with saran/plastic wrap, followed up by a waxed butcher paper wrap taped down well.

In all my young years, I have never seen wildgame from a butcher that did not have occasional bone chips and marrow from bonesawing quarters, never seen wildgame cut into cutlets creating less grinder and more steak as a percentage, and have never seen butchered meat wrapped any where near as well as I do. I argue that a hunter can take the time to cut better, have higher quality control, and preserve his game better by superior wrapping. These all take time, and I feel that a butcher by his very nature has to hurry to make a dime. Do it yourself costs less, and you get a better end product.
Title: Re: Make 2013 the year you cut and wrap your own wild game.
Post by: dscubame on August 19, 2013, 09:44:43 PM: I agree but you did not catch my point.
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Post by: biggfish on August 19, 2013, 09:44:56 PM: If I had the space I would jump all over it but I don't. I use Stewarts meats for my game meat and they do an excellent job of wrapping. I am the only one that eats deer in my home so it lasts a long time and I've opened up meat three years old good as the day it was froze.
Title: Re: Make 2013 the year you cut and wrap your own wild game.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 19, 2013, 09:54:19 PM: Quote from: dscubame on August 19, 2013, 09:44:43 PM
I agree but you did not catch my point.

Sorry, must be my pain relievers rearing their ugly head...
Title: Re: Make 2013 the year you cut and wrap your own wild game.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 19, 2013, 09:57:14 PM: My big chest of superiority of cutting my own meat is just that. Cutting my own meat is a prideful fun event, some family heritage is involved, a team thing with my fellow hunters. It seems to me that meat cutting is the logical end of a year long effort to hunt.
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Post by: jackmaster on August 19, 2013, 10:05:32 PM: I love cutting my own meat. I know that it clean and cut to my standards. Some people just don't have the patients to cut their own meat. It does take patience that's for sure. You get a lot more meat when you do your own and it's as clean as you want it to be. I do chunk up the meat that I want turned into pep or summer sausage and take it to a guy here in Graham. :twocents:
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Post by: jennyfell55 on August 19, 2013, 10:15:24 PM: In the event I ever get a deer/bear/elk I'd love to learn how to cut and wrap it myself! :)
Title: Re: Make 2013 the year you cut and wrap your own wild game.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on August 19, 2013, 10:26:46 PM: I agree 110% with all that Iceman said!!!! :tup: We can help someone out in our neck of the woods! Just PM and we will get'er done! :tup:
Title: Re: Make 2013 the year you cut and wrap your own wild game.
Post by: Rooster1981 on August 20, 2013, 06:39:04 AM: Cutting and wrapping an animal can seem very daunting :yike: the first time you attempt butchering your first game animal. But once you do it, you'll never want to pay a butcher again :twocents: . Butchering an animal is part of the ritual of hunting for my family. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on fancy meat grinders, sousage makers & vacuum packs. For the hunter that is starting out & doesn't have a lot of $$ Butchering is the only way to go. The basics for me is masking tape, freezer wrap, a good sharp knife, knife sharpener, cutting board. I went years without a meat grinder & just packaged up my scraps as stew meat. I now use a hand crank meat grinder, that can be hooked up to a electric motor if needed. For me I can cut wrap and package 100 lbs an hour with someone else just doing the meat grinding. So my advice for the first time meat cutter be ready to take a few hours if your cutting up an elk. I average about four hours beginning to end on a elk. A deer really doesn't take long at all, a little over an hour to get it in the freezer. My local butcher charges .70 cents a pound starting cost for wild game. That doesn't include cleaning, adding pork or suite. :bdid: . Lets say a wetside bull averages 400 lbs You can easily spend 250- 300 dollars on an elk :yike:.
Once you get it down its like ICEMAN says, you will take pride in you product. And enjoy the time spent with family.
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Post by: Exechobo on August 20, 2013, 03:24:44 PM: Did an elk a couple years ago with my buddies. One of the guys was passing along a lifetime's experience. It was fun, instructive, and social. I liked knowing how the meat was handled, and learning the process. Never goin back.
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Post by: IBspoiled on August 20, 2013, 05:18:12 PM: We have done our own for years now. I can tell you the last time we took one to a butcher there was a reason it was the last time! We took a whole elk, taken out whole with hide on. They skinned it for us, as it was just way faster to get it in the truck and to the butcher then spend the time in the woods trying to do it without the equipment they have. The guy was smoking a cigarette the whole time he was skinning it! Made me sick. Then when I went in to tell the lady how we would like it processed, I told her anything you can make into a steak we want into steaks, I also requested the ribs as I love to BBQ them and then I asked for burger. No roasts as I don't do much with them. Pretty simple request. Got the call that the elk was ready. I went to pick it up and got 9 yep you read that right 9 packages of steak!!!! The rest was burger and ribs. I got home and my husband said, where is my elk? He thought they had messed up and only given me half of our elk or less. I called them back and she assured me that they gave me the whole elk! REALLY??? 9 packages of steak from a whole elk? That was just backstraps! Then a few months go by and I decide to take out the ribs to BBQ. Mistake number 2, they put all the ribs in the packages, bloodshot and all, no clean up, no taking out the ribs with the hole in it from the arrow, nothing! I could see if she thought I meant I wanted the ribs for the dogs, but I specifically told her I wanted them for BBQ'ing! So there you have it, we have NEVER gone back to another butcher and don't plan to. I have done an elk in about 8 hours with the help of one of our friends who hadn't done one, as my husband was at work. For us, what works is we separate the muscle's and if it looks like it would make a nice steak, we make steaks, if it doesn't I put it in the grinder. Once in awhile I will save a nice piece and make a roast out of it, but really other than steak and burger, we don't do much else. It isn't rocket science.
Wife
Title: Re: Make 2013 the year you cut and wrap your own wild game.
Post by: nocklehead on August 20, 2013, 06:02:52 PM: Last year I took on the task of butchering my first deer. I watched at least 10 youtube videos, looked at several diagrams, then just went for it!
As ICEMAN said you have alot more time to wrap and time to trim pieces exactly how you want them.
Wrapping each piece in wax paper, rolling out the air, then seal-a-mealing is what I did.
Once you get going, its easy, youre just following natural divisions in muscle groups and filleting off silverskin, most butchers dont have the time to remove tiny pieces of silverskin. This and all "funky" pieces like bloodshot go in a pile for the dog.
The bones made delicious stock....
Afterwards, it all went so smooth and didnt want to eat all the deer too quick, so we got a lamb from a local farm "on the hoof", we shot and gutted it in a designated corner of the farmers property, then put ice bags in the body cavity and headed home, (bout an hour) there we divided it up just the same as a deer except leaving the whole back quarter intact for leg of lamb. This experience was great and saved money on meat...Id highly recommend for those that are scared to butcher a deer in the field/camp, etc...., try it out on lambs, goats, rabbits etc...you can get as many as you want from small farms on craigslist, and its a no pressure situation...
Also, you learn how you like things cut, for instance anything that becomes steaks, like backstrap, I prefer to freeze in 1-2LB packages not cut up, still in one piece, then when I thaw it, I cut it into the steaks I want, it seems fresher and leaves more options.

6 weeks later during late hunt, my lady got her first deer and I was ready and eager to butcher it, and as ICEMAN said, you really do feel more pride from it, it costs less, and its FUN!

What I did use the butcher for (DD meats) was I took all my bags of "for ground" into them and had it made into bulk ground hamburger and sausage at .25c and .50c a LB
I also got some fancy beer brats made at 2.50 a LB which is a little expensive but beyond my current skills and equipment.....if youve ever had DD or Big E Brewery Brats then you know it was worth it!

Go for it! Butchering, cutting and wrapping with a few good folks is alot of fun!
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Post by: butcher98951 on August 20, 2013, 08:17:38 PM: I have owned my own butcher shop and farm slaughtering business before and I am wiling to teach any one that is interested to learn at no charge. I do live in the Yakima County but travel to the west side for sports almost every other weekend. If and when you are interested send me a pm.
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Post by: jackmaster on August 21, 2013, 06:45:49 AM: one more trick to you that dont know, save your card board that is the size of a large pizza box, and of course its gotta be clean, it is alot better than using a cutting board or a piece of 2x10, when you use card board the meat sticks to it very well and when it gets to nasty you throw it in the trash, and put a new piece down, i also have a plastic table that only gets used for processing meat, i use a fillet knife and a couple boning knives and that is all that you need, a hand sharpener, a couple metal pans and a big metal bowl, if your grinding as you go a couple big rubber made toats and you are in business, if anyone gets somethn near graham and would like to learn let me know, i can come over and give ya hand, i have been helping my dad since i was knee high to a buckfart, and now i am 41 so i have logged a few hours buthering meat... if you are set on taking it to a butcher i would only use the "BUTCHER BOYS" on south hill :tup: DAMN, I AM GETTIN HUNGRY, :'(
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Post by: ICEMAN on July 29, 2014, 07:26:20 AM: Think I should re-title this thread for 2014?
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Post by: billythekidrock on July 29, 2014, 07:34:43 AM: Go for it.
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Post by: 7mmfan on July 29, 2014, 07:37:36 AM: Yes. A lot of people don't plan for the day that they may actually get an animal on the ground. This will help get the wheels turning. I was raised cutting up my own and have now passed it on to a couple of buddies who cut and wrap their own. Very gratifying when its all done and you have months worth of quality protein stored away in the freezer.
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Post by: Damnimissed on July 29, 2014, 09:01:05 AM: Cutting parties are a blast. When we get elk down, we have the guys cutting and grinding, and the girls wrapping. With some adult beverages as well! It's a just a good time.
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Post by: lamrith on July 29, 2014, 09:40:31 AM: So do you guys wait for a couple of you to have animals down to have these parties?
How do you store your quarters before you have these cutting parties?
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Post by: Stein on July 29, 2014, 10:10:34 AM: Quote from: Sportfury on August 19, 2013, 06:26:04 PM
Anyone have any good recommendations on dvds (or youtube) for cutting and wrapping. I cut and wrapped my sons elk last year and just used the computer to look at different cuts of meat, but it would be nice to see how the pros do it.

I watched Outdoor Edge's video about five times then tackled it. It is a bunch of work but not all that difficult. A few simple tools and some patience and you will end up with much better fare than the guy that drove it around in the back of the truck for a few days and then dumped it at the butcher. You will save a ton of money and be able to spend the time to do it exactly like you want.

Personally, I try to minimize ground meat. I put as much into steaks as possible and only maybe two roasts. I end up with a ton of "stew meat" which is misc. chunks that I use for stew, stir fry, tacos and whatever.

My high level process is to immediately gut, skin and quarter. I put it in a two coolers with 6-8 bags of ice. It was really cold last year, so I pulled it out of the coolers overnight to hang in a tree and then back into coolers for the trip home. Next day, cut, wrap and freeze. Our freezer was pretty empty so I just spaced it out and it froze quickly with no problem.

I used a Outdoor Edge swingblade for gutting and skinning. Quartering was done with a saw (pelvis & sternum) and a 5" boning knife. Processing used the same 5" knife along with another 6" knife and a longer butcher knife. I wrapped the meat in plastic wrap then freezer paper.

I used our Kitchen Aid with the meat grinder attachment, but am looking at buying a dedicated grinder this year. The Kitchen Aid will do it, but it seems to be a bit underpowered and you end up cleaning sinew out of the blades very frequently. I ground everything twice.

Again, not technically hard but it is a bunch of work. Start to finish on processing day was 12 hours including cleanup. Next time, I can probably cut that in half.
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Post by: Damnimissed on July 29, 2014, 10:49:59 AM: I'm sure the videos are explain the process very well, but if you can have someone with experience show you the ropes, well that's even better. Once you learn what kind of grain to look for, you'll find all kinds of extra steaks that a butcher shop won't cut for you because it would take more time to do. I was lucky enough to have a buddy who was a professional butcher on top of growing up helping my dad and uncle. Oh and lamrith, most of these elk were killed in November on the west side, so it was usually cold enough to just hang them in the shop. I've since switched to ML, so now if its a warm October, they get boned out and put in coolers on ice.
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Post by: Damnimissed on July 29, 2014, 11:08:47 AM: I had to take my wife's buck to a butcher shop in the Olympia area (I won't use names) in 2012, because she killed it on Halloween and I had to go back to work after being on vacation. It was getting warm and I wouldn't have been able to get around to it. Boy was I disappointed. No fat trimmed, still some bloodshot on it. It just tasted like, well exactly how it should, given the way it was processed. If great care in the field is taken to keep everything clean, (cutting metatarsal gland off with a separate knife, keeping pee and poo off the meat) you should end up with a quality product if butchered at home. I believe laziness is the reason for gamey tasting meat. My wife grew up thinking all deer tastes gamey. Now she is revolted by the taste of beef!
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Post by: lamrith on July 29, 2014, 11:13:12 AM: Do you guys that self butcher do traditional gut/skin/qtr in the field or do some do gutless boneout method and finish process at home?
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Post by: billythekidrock on July 29, 2014, 11:18:45 AM: Whole or quartered, hung at home. Processed as time allows.
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Post by: Southpole on July 29, 2014, 11:28:43 AM: Quote from: Damnimissed on July 29, 2014, 09:01:05 AM
Cutting parties are a blast. When we get elk down, we have the guys cutting and grinding, and the girls wrapping. With some adult beverages as well! It's a just a good time.

That's a huge perk of processing your own meat :brew:
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Post by: Stein on July 29, 2014, 11:37:22 AM: Quote from: lamrith on July 29, 2014, 11:13:12 AM
Do you guys that self butcher do traditional gut/skin/qtr in the field or do some do gutless boneout method and finish process at home?

I gut, skin and quarter in the field. This will give you four quarters, a bag of prime meat, a bag of heart/tongue/liver and a bag or two of scraps (rib, neck, trim). I process everything into its final form at home. The less cuts you make in the field, the neater and less meat that ends up in the dog pile during processing.
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Post by: Southpole on July 29, 2014, 11:44:54 AM: Quote from: lamrith on July 29, 2014, 11:13:12 AM
Do you guys that self butcher do traditional gut/skin/qtr in the field or do some do gutless boneout method and finish process at home?
I've only processed deer but, I immediately gut, skin and hang (outside cold weather or cooler) then after it's cooled off or sometimes frozen due to the weather (which is fine by me) I cut the deer in half, put the hind quarters and front half in heavy thick plastic bags put them in the freezer until I have time to cut it up, sometimes within a week or sometimes a month later when we have other deer or bear to add to it. So far this method has worked fine for me, really not too much waste and I don't feel rushed to process the animal when I really don't have time too.
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Post by: elk247 on July 29, 2014, 04:02:39 PM: Quote from: lamrith on July 29, 2014, 11:13:12 AM
Do you guys that self butcher do traditional gut/skin/qtr in the field or do some do gutless boneout method and finish process at home?
For elk it depends on how far the game is from the truck (why pack 100+ lbs of bone?) Deer I always quarter and have a bag with backstrap and tenderloin and another with rib trimmings neck meat and heart, liver. If the deer is close to a road you can just gut and take out whole.