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Title: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: BOOM!! on August 19, 2013, 10:29:41 PM
Been practicing my elk calls and watching elknuts videos and man am I getting pumped about our peaches muzzy hunt. From my scouting it looks like we may have to call them in real close to get a shot. I am concerned our hunter orange vests could really screw up a close encounter. Anybody have any input on how to deal with this? How big of a problem will it be?
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: bobcat on August 19, 2013, 10:32:48 PM
I don't think it would be a problem, since elk don't see color. Maybe get the camo orange vest so it doesn't look like just one solid blob. If you're not moving they shouldn't see you, anymore than they would if you were wearing camo.
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: klickriverchromer on August 19, 2013, 10:38:17 PM
I don't think it would be a problem, since elk don't see color. Maybe get the camo orange vest so it doesn't look like just one solid blob. If you're not moving they shouldn't see you, anymore than they would if you were wearing camo.
:yeah
My thoughts exactly!
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: bobcat on August 19, 2013, 10:44:09 PM
Truth is I think most people wear camo more to impress other hunters than to be invisible to elk.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: Chukarhead on August 19, 2013, 11:45:11 PM
Is orange required for your hunt?  The area would have to be open for modern firearm elk/deer hunting during your hunt for orange to be required.

We always hunt muzzy, and usually wear orange hats voluntarily.  Elk don't seem to notice, or care.

Oh, and we'll see you up there.   8)
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: BOOM!! on August 20, 2013, 04:29:25 AM
There are 10 riffle permits issued for the same hunt and allthough it is not a general season hunt, the regs seem to indicate that orange is required.
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: BOOM!! on August 20, 2013, 04:40:28 AM
I believe that elk do see the luminescent or reflective quality of hunter orange especially in low light times of early morning or late evening when the color just pops.
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: YoterHunter on August 20, 2013, 08:39:12 PM
I have one of the rifle tags . And you do not have to where orange . I called to find out if orange was required or not was told no  . Orange is for general Eason only.
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: jackelope on August 20, 2013, 08:48:05 PM
Didn't know we had any modern firearm big game hunts of any kind in this state where hunter orange is not required. You sure?
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: Bob33 on August 20, 2013, 08:58:50 PM
I have one of the rifle tags . And you do not have to where orange . I called to find out if orange was required or not was told no  . Orange is for general Eason only.
If you have a modern permit for elk, you must wear orange.
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: bearpaw on August 20, 2013, 09:04:57 PM
Better be checking again I think the language reads:

Any open modern forearm deer or elk season....   :dunno:
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: jackelope on August 20, 2013, 09:10:23 PM
I have one of the rifle tags . And you do not have to where orange . I called to find out if orange was required or not was told no  . Orange is for general Eason only.
If you have a modern permit for elk, you must wear orange.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: rtspring on August 20, 2013, 09:14:22 PM
Labs07 and I dealt with this last year!!! Muzzy guys do not have to wear orange!! Modern permits do. However if a general modern rifle season is open you must wear orange...

Peaches muzzy hunts do not require hunter orange..
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: YoterHunter on August 20, 2013, 09:21:52 PM
As  a rifle tag I'm same as muzzy. Look at your regs . The permit that you drew . If it has and H buy it then orange is required . If not know  orange  is required . The quality rifle is not general season . :twocents:
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: jackelope on August 20, 2013, 09:24:11 PM
As  a rifle tag I'm same as muzzy. Look at your regs . The permit that you drew . If it has and H buy it then orange is required . If not know  orange  is required . The quality rifle is not general season . :twocents:

Disagree.
See my avatar pic? I'm wearing orange. I had the only permit in the whole unit. They gave out 1 and I had it. No other hunters. Modern firearm. I still had to wear orange.
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: Bob33 on August 20, 2013, 10:28:51 PM
As  a rifle tag I'm same as muzzy. Look at your regs . The permit that you drew . If it has and H buy it then orange is required . If not know  orange  is required . The quality rifle is not general season . :twocents:
YoterHunter, which of the words is not clear to you?

"All modern firearm permit holders must wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing."

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-055 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-055)
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: Curly on August 21, 2013, 07:38:53 AM
Boom! does not have to wear orange; yoterhunter does have to wear orange. :twocents:
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: jackelope on August 21, 2013, 07:54:24 AM
Boom! does not have to wear orange; yoterhunter does have to wear orange. :twocents:

 :yeah:
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: YoterHunter on August 21, 2013, 08:21:38 AM
My bag . Just got off the phone with Olympia . I was misinformed buy the gal that I talked to last week. Got to love ourDFW. When your told one thing. but some else tells you different . Gotta Love this state.
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: rtspring on August 21, 2013, 08:29:11 AM
It happens man!!  Trust me I know....

Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: BOOM!! on August 21, 2013, 05:45:19 PM
That solves that problem, thanks guys!   :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: BOOM!! on August 22, 2013, 06:34:36 PM
I went back and read the regs again   :bash:  I'm sorry but I am still having problems with this.

•Anyone hunting in an area that is open for modern firearm deer or elk hunting must meet hunter orange requirements if they are hunting any of the following species: Bear, Bobcat, Cougar, Coyote, Deer, Elk, Fox, Grouse, Hare, Rabbit, or Raccoon.

I will be hunting for elk in an area that is open for modern firearm elk (10 rifle permits)

Hunter Orange Clothing is Not Required:
•While hunting in a muzzleloading or archery only GMU and possessing a valid muzzleloading or archery deer or elk tag.

I will not be in a muzzleloading only GMU (10 rifle permits)

I REALLY don't want to wear hunter orange. Please help me understand why some of you are positive that I don't have to use it.

I could call the game dept. but I would probably get a different answer each time
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: paulf919 on August 22, 2013, 08:36:58 PM
Why not wear orange?  For your safety regardless and it doesn't seem to effect the elk.


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Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: BOOM!! on August 22, 2013, 09:01:42 PM
Why not wear orange?  For your safety regardless and it doesn't seem to effect the elk.


Maybe not at 100 yds, maybe not at 40 yds, but how about 25 yds? 15 yds? 5yds?
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: cougarbart on August 22, 2013, 09:25:51 PM
because forget about the regulations and you have to go to the wac book on this one! the wac originally said during a general deer or elk season, then a few years ago the regulations where changed to any modern centerfire season, I don't believe the law was changed just the wording in the regulations but im not sure of that! I will look up the wac right now
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: cougarbart on August 22, 2013, 09:34:50 PM
yes they changed the wac so modern permit holders have to wear orange, it says its unlawful to hunt bear cougar, coyote and all the without wearing orange! so kinda a catch 22, which would be the same if your coyote hunting in a elk area that has master hunter permits you are required to wear orange, so you have to know all the seasons even the ones your not hunting
Title: Re: calling bulls and hunter orange
Post by: Curly on August 23, 2013, 08:09:34 AM
Reply #15 of this thread, Bob33 posted a link to the RCW.

Quote
WAC 232-12-055
   Agency filings affecting this section
Hunting—Hunter orange clothing requirements.
(1) Except as authorized in subsection (5) of this section, it is unlawful to hunt upland birds or rabbits during any upland game bird season unless the hunter is wearing fluorescent hunter orange clothing.
(2) It is unlawful to hunt deer or elk during all modern firearm general seasons in any manner unless the hunter is wearing fluorescent hunter orange clothing.
(3) All modern firearm permit holders must wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing.
(4) It is unlawful to hunt bear, cougar, bobcat, raccoon, fox, coyote, rabbit, forest grouse or hare during those times and in those places open to the taking of deer or elk during a modern firearm season, unless the hunter is wearing fluorescent hunter orange clothing.
(5) Persons who are hunting upland game birds during an upland game bird season with a muzzleloading firearm, bow and arrow or falconry are not required to wear fluorescent hunter orange clothing.
(6) Wearing fluorescent hunter orange clothing means: A minimum of 400 square inches of fluorescent hunter orange exterior clothing, worn above the waist and visible from all sides.
(7) Violation of this section is an infraction, punishable under RCW 77.15.160.

You are not a modern firearm permit holder, and there is not a general season going on for deer or elk, so you are not required to wear orange. :twocents:
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