Post by: Dblstks on August 21, 2013, 04:00:07 PM
My question is about having others (people you don't know) sit in your blind. I know in Nevada if you set up a ground blind you need to put a note on it that says when you will be hunting the blind. If someone comes upon your blind during times that you are not there, they can legally hunt out of your blind.
Picked apart the regs and did not see anything saying one way or the other. Personally I would never sit in anyone else's blind but I would not put it past some folks.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 21, 2013, 04:05:56 PM
Post by: Kain on August 21, 2013, 04:13:29 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 21, 2013, 04:13:48 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on August 21, 2013, 04:18:28 PM
Post by: Wilderness Addict on August 21, 2013, 04:34:57 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 21, 2013, 04:40:15 PM
Post by: biggfish on August 21, 2013, 04:42:38 PM
Post by: Wilderness Addict on August 21, 2013, 04:59:41 PM
You're suggesting that you should be able to claim public land for your sole use by putting up a blind? :dunno:
Absolutely not! I am saying that this is my property and I put it there for my use. If you want to put your blind up next to mine, hey that your right! When you"re at the beach do you lay on other people's towels? Most people bring their own towels.
To all ground blind and treestand owners: I will never use your property without your permission. It's just the way I am. I respect you and your property!
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 21, 2013, 05:04:09 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 21, 2013, 05:06:38 PM
If it is your private property then anyone else would be trespassing.
Post by: hughjorgan on August 21, 2013, 05:22:11 PM
If you have it set up on public land it is free to use by all who use the land.
I would like to see how that turns out for you or any individual who tries to use another persons blind or treestands. By your logic if I find your trail cam on public ground it is fair game....
Post by: Bob33 on August 21, 2013, 05:27:40 PM
Legally it is. Ethically it is not in most casesIf you have it set up on public land it is free to use by all who use the land.
I would like to see how that turns out for you or any individual who tries to use another persons blind or treestands. By your logic if I find your trail cam on public ground it is fair game....
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 21, 2013, 05:27:53 PM
Did I say I would do that? NO! I simply stated that if you leave your property on public land it becomes public property. You don't have to like it, I don't care if you. It's not my law and has nothing to do with me.If you have it set up on public land it is free to use by all who use the land.
I would like to see how that turns out for you or any individual who tries to use another persons blind or treestands. By your logic if I find your trail cam on public ground it is fair game....
Post by: hughjorgan on August 21, 2013, 05:52:26 PM
Post by: MIKEXRAY on August 21, 2013, 06:03:35 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 21, 2013, 06:26:17 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/)
Post by: ghosthunter on August 21, 2013, 06:29:44 PM
Yes some one could sit next to your blind and hunt, no problem.
If you put your tent up on public land can I sleep in it?
If you park your truck can I sit in it.
If you have a lawn chair at the campfire?
No
Now if you build a blind on public land like many do duck hunting , hey first come first serve.
To apply that to personal property left on public land for short periods of time is plan stupid.
If you make that claim cite the law. There is not one.
Even on state waterfowl areas you can leave your gear unattended for a hour.
You are in your pop up blind and have to take a crap. So you walk off a ways and do your thing. You come back and Bob is in you blind smiling.
Stupid. I throw his a!!!!!!!!!!!!out of it in a heart beat.
This kind of mis information get people doing stupid things.
No you cannot reserve public land with a tree stand or pop up.
But that doesn't make them free use if they are portable.
:bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: ghosthunter on August 21, 2013, 06:33:30 PM
Here you go. :tup:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/)
Does not apply to DNR or Us Forest Lands.
Post by: hughjorgan on August 21, 2013, 07:00:15 PM
We have had this debate many times. There is no law that says that if you put up a pop up blind (which I use every year) in the national forest that anyone can sit in your blind. I would simply pull it down and pack it off.
Yes some one could sit next to your blind and hunt, no problem.
If you put your tent up on public land can I sleep in it?
If you park your truck can I sit in it.
If you have a lawn chair at the campfire?
No
Now if you build a blind on public land like many do duck hunting , hey first come first serve.
To apply that to personal property left on public land for short periods of time is plan stupid.
If you make that claim cite the law. There is not one.
Even on state waterfowl areas you can leave your gear unattended for a hour.
You are in your pop up blind and have to take a crap. So you walk off a ways and do your thing. You come back and Bob is in you blind smiling.
Stupid. I throw his a!!!!!!!!!!!!out of it in a heart beat.
This kind of mis information get people doing stupid things.
No you cannot reserve public land with a tree tand or pop up.
But that doesn't make the free use if they are portable.
:bash: :bash: :bash:
Well stated. :yeah:
Post by: ghosthunter on August 21, 2013, 07:07:21 PM
If you have your pop up blind on National Forest and you put a lawn chair,or other camping equipment next to it. And leave to go to town.
A game agent cannot even enter it without probable cause because there is a expectation of privacy .
So what makes anyone think another hunter could?
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 21, 2013, 07:10:50 PM
Post by: JLS on August 21, 2013, 07:23:22 PM
A game agent cannot even enter it without probable cause because there is a expectation of privacy .
I'm willing to bet that this statement is a stretch.
Post by: Dblstks on August 21, 2013, 07:38:52 PM
:yeah: did not know I was opening Pandora's box with this question. I would like to know if the above mentioned conduct rules counts for nf land.Here you go. :tup:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/)
Does not apply to DNR or Us Forest Lands.
I understand public land is just that public........but I would not expect someone to sit in my pop up blind. And if that is the hunting method you choose to use it needs to be set up early enough for animals to get used to. So what are you supposed to do? Anyways, I know we are never going to come to any set conclusion but was just wondering what the consensus was out there. Thanks ya'll
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 21, 2013, 07:42:37 PM
Your fine. Trust me, this isn't even close to a Pandora's box discussion. Ask a question about electronics or mechanical broadheads. Then you will see a show. :chuckle::yeah: did not know I was opening Pandora's box with this question. I would like to know if the above mentioned conduct rules counts for nf land.Here you go. :tup:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/)
Does not apply to DNR or Us Forest Lands.
I understand public land is just that public........but I would not expect someone to sit in my pop up blind. And if that is the hunting method you choose to use it needs to be set up early enough for animals to get used to. So what are you supposed to do? Anyways, I know we are never going to come to any set conclusion but was just wondering what the consensus was out there. Thanks ya'll
Post by: hughjorgan on August 21, 2013, 07:48:44 PM
Your fine. Trust me, this isn't even close to a Pandora's box discussion. Ask a question about electronics or mechanical broadheads. Then you will see a show. :chuckle::yeah: did not know I was opening Pandora's box with this question. I would like to know if the above mentioned conduct rules counts for nf land.Here you go. :tup:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/)
Does not apply to DNR or Us Forest Lands.
I understand public land is just that public........but I would not expect someone to sit in my pop up blind. And if that is the hunting method you choose to use it needs to be set up early enough for animals to get used to. So what are you supposed to do? Anyways, I know we are never going to come to any set conclusion but was just wondering what the consensus was out there. Thanks ya'll
This whole question about ground blinds was just hashed out about tree stands not to long ago and am pretty sure the same conclusions were drawn. It seems on federal land such as USFS each district has there own policies pertaining to ground blind/tree stand usage. Wdfw has policy in place etc...
Post by: ghosthunter on August 21, 2013, 08:22:38 PM
A game agent cannot even enter it without probable cause because there is a expectation of privacy .
I'm willing to bet that this statement is a stretch.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080714172025AAUfhkN (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080714172025AAUfhkN)
Since I have taught Hunter Ed for twenty years, I bring a Game agent into ever class.
He has answered this question many times.
If you read the last paragraph , it would appear the more I make my blind site look like a camp the greater the expectation of privacy. :tup:
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 21, 2013, 08:29:10 PM
No offense ghosthunter but I dont think yahoo answers is a great place to search out legal advice. Just sayin. :chuckle:A game agent cannot even enter it without probable cause because there is a expectation of privacy .
I'm willing to bet that this statement is a stretch.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080714172025AAUfhkN (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080714172025AAUfhkN)
Since I have taught Hunter Ed for twenty years, I bring a Game agent into ever class.
He has answered this question many times.
If you read the last paragraph , it would appear the more I make my blind site look like a camp the greater the expectation of privacy. :tup:
Post by: ghosthunter on August 21, 2013, 08:33:11 PM
I have left three pop up blinds up during black powder elk season in eastern Washington the entire season.
I get there three days ahead set up the blinds and brush them.
We have taken several elk out of them. I have never had one person bother them.
I have had one person one time set up next to one.
Take the blind enjoy.
Post by: ghosthunter on August 21, 2013, 08:38:35 PM
No offense ghosthunter but I dont think yahoo answers is a great place to search out legal advice. Just sayin. :chuckle:A game agent cannot even enter it without probable cause because there is a expectation of privacy .
I'm willing to bet that this statement is a stretch.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080714172025AAUfhkN (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080714172025AAUfhkN)
Since I have taught Hunter Ed for twenty years, I bring a Game agent into ever class.
He has answered this question many times.
If you read the last paragraph , it would appear the more I make my blind site look like a camp the greater the expectation of privacy. :tup:
It's only one many sources.
Entry into any private dwelling regardless of construction is well established in case law. Check it out for yourself. We have gone way off the trail here.
Good luck with whatever you do.
:twocents:
Post by: CedarPants on August 21, 2013, 08:55:14 PM
This was of course a good buddy of mine though, so I wouldn't recommend trying this on someone you don't know :chuckle:
Post by: ghosthunter on August 21, 2013, 09:08:13 PM
Post by: dscubame on August 21, 2013, 09:12:44 PM
Post by: huntnnw on August 21, 2013, 09:18:54 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 21, 2013, 09:26:39 PM
If you read the last paragraph , it would appear the more I make my blind site look like a camp the greater the expectation of privacy. :tup:When you put the satellite dish on top and fire up the generator, the deer might get a little suspicious.
Post by: ghosthunter on August 21, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
Funny thing I have tried it on deer and they see it right away.
But elk walk right by it or stop in front of it. Ummmmm.
Oh we'll that's another thread.
Post by: washelkhunter on August 22, 2013, 07:29:55 AM