Post by: syoungs on August 21, 2013, 08:00:34 PM
I have wanted a 45-70 for a few years now, mostly for when im pushing the nasty thick crap, want a gun with good knockdown power, open sights, and ive always had a thing for lever actions.
Im not sure if the 45-70 is to antiquated of round compared to some of the newer stuff I hear about, but I think it would work just fine, and the cartridge will still outshoot my abilities with iron sights.
Does anyone have any commentary towards like a 444 or similar rounds to the 45-70? im not looking for anything fancy when I do buy, held a marlin the other day that seemed to fit the bill pretty good for.
most of its use will be for bear and elk hunting, but when in the real thick stuff when a scope might be a hinderance I guess it would be pulled out for deer as well.
thanks
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 21, 2013, 08:08:29 PM
Post by: syoungs on August 21, 2013, 08:11:31 PM
is it true that to get the best performance from a 45-70 that you have to hand load? or can you get decent performance from factory loads? I know having all the old trapdoor style guns out there could spell disaster with the wrong load it in.
Post by: CedarPants on August 21, 2013, 08:14:02 PM
Post by: snowpack on August 21, 2013, 08:14:25 PM
Post by: jrebel on August 21, 2013, 08:20:38 PM
Post by: bear hunter on August 21, 2013, 08:21:01 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 21, 2013, 08:37:41 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60755.0;attach=121543;image)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,60755.msg752595.html#msg752595 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,60755.msg752595.html#msg752595)
That is good with hot 300 JHP to about 200 yards with open sights.
You don't need to handload to get hot 45-70s, but it would certainly save you a ton of cash, compared to some of the hotter 45-70 loads.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=35 (https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=35)
Post by: hillbilli on August 21, 2013, 08:53:19 PM
Post by: yorketransport on August 21, 2013, 09:08:07 PM
Personally, I think the 45-70 makes a better handgun round. :tup: :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 21, 2013, 09:08:13 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 21, 2013, 09:16:01 PM
450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.
Buffalo bore is showing them as almost a tie
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 21, 2013, 09:20:13 PM
450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.
Buffalo bore is showing them as almost a tie
Both good medicine......
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 21, 2013, 09:21:35 PM
450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.
I don't know if he needs more horsepower though. A factory loaded .45-70 is more than enough for elk and bear, even moose. It's got insane penetration capability. You've got to be a sadistic b@$t@rd to shoot a .45-70 loaded up to the max.
The .45-70 is a freakin beast. I know the .450 Marlin is flatter and faster but with iron sights who cares, like he said it'll out-shoot him. Not to mention if he reloads the brass is always going to be affordable and available.
Post by: syoungs on August 21, 2013, 09:45:14 PM
I think I will stick with the 45-70, as it is what I have wanted for about 10 years now, after hunting with an old timer that had one, and it will serve its purpose wonderfully.
probably going to just pick up a new marlin, dont know the model numbers off the top of my head, but it was right at 550$, which is about 200 less then I was hoping to spend, figure that will go a ways into getting some loads developed and on the shelf. I dont need nothing to fancy for a brush gun.
Post by: HawkCreek on August 22, 2013, 06:54:18 AM
450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.
I didn't check ballistics but Garrett has a 540 grain load for the .45-70. Tough to need more power than that.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 22, 2013, 07:23:40 AM
\450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.
I didn't check ballistics but Garrett has a 540 grain load for the .45-70. Tough to need more power than that.
That's just wrong...............oh god that would hurt. :chuckle:
I have a 450 T/C Encore with a 15 inch barrel w/brake.........................ouch !!!
Post by: HawkCreek on August 22, 2013, 07:08:45 PM
\450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.
I didn't check ballistics but Garrett has a 540 grain load for the .45-70. Tough to need more power than that.
That's just wrong...............oh god that would hurt. :chuckle:
I have a 450 T/C Encore with a 15 inch barrel w/brake.........................ouch !!!
Actually it doesn't. I know it sounds like it'd tear your shoulder clean off but the recoil in my Marlin 1895 is a slow push there isn't really any "kick" per say. It's a strange recoil and you know it's powerfull but it doesn't punish like it sounds. But then maybe it's fear and adrenaline that helps me forget the kick heh!
Post by: yorketransport on August 22, 2013, 08:25:59 PM
450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.
I've had both, and this isn't entirely true. Loaded to similar pressures the 45-70 wins every time. There's just no replacement for case capacity. So if you compare lever gun loads in the 45-70 to the 450 marlin it's a much more accurate debate. Neither one would qualify as a wimp though! :tup:
Andrew
Post by: Alchase on August 23, 2013, 12:16:24 PM
Hi all,
I have wanted a 45-70 for a few years now, mostly for when im pushing the nasty thick crap, want a gun with good knockdown power, open sights, and ive always had a thing for lever actions.
Nothing wrong with wanting a 45-70 or a lever gun, but the "myth" of a big bore gun being better then a smaller faster (more common) deer or bear round in heavy timber was dis-proven years ago.
There is something about a lever 45-70 that is just plain sexy though, LOL
Post by: syoungs on August 23, 2013, 03:15:47 PM
nailed it!
Post by: PolarBear on August 23, 2013, 03:20:40 PM
Post by: coachcw on August 23, 2013, 08:06:47 PM
I know from experience (unfortunately) that a 45-70 will go completely through a house and out the other side with very little expansion!holly crap !
Post by: HighlandLofts on August 23, 2013, 10:57:58 PM
\450 Marlin has more horsepower than a 45-70. Check the ballistics.
I didn't check ballistics but Garrett has a 540 grain load for the .45-70. Tough to need more power than that.
That's just wrong...............oh god that would hurt. :chuckle:
I have a 450 T/C Encore with a 15 inch barrel w/brake.........................ouch !!!
I know a guy who used "Bigfoot in heat scent" once and it worked extremely well and he said OUCH too,
Big feet, big you know what!
Post by: Nosferatu on August 24, 2013, 05:30:33 AM
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_44&osCsid=ctqq9e0tug7voq4p3d1bbmo1p6 (http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_44&osCsid=ctqq9e0tug7voq4p3d1bbmo1p6)
Post by: fly-by on August 24, 2013, 10:11:15 PM
Post by: arees on August 24, 2013, 10:30:19 PM
http://www.garrettcartridges.com/4570.html (http://www.garrettcartridges.com/4570.html)
I have also taken 540 grain bullets built sub-sonic loads that are amazingly quiet and still had impressive penetration.
Post by: PNW_Hunter on August 27, 2013, 10:32:29 PM