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Title: Legal spike?
Post by: buglebuster on August 23, 2013, 12:47:39 PM
I say yes, i have him and another spike coming in.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: h20hunter on August 23, 2013, 12:48:10 PM
tag!
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: vandeman17 on August 23, 2013, 12:53:56 PM
do you have any pictures of his other side? Is this a true spike or just spike unit?
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: Broken Arrow on August 23, 2013, 12:57:14 PM
is the other one  3 point also  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: buglebuster on August 23, 2013, 12:57:53 PM
the cows moved my camera down and this is the best pic to show eyeguards, both sides look the same as far as I can tell, it is not in a true spike unit.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: Broken Arrow on August 23, 2013, 01:01:30 PM
Interesting question, If it is legal as a spike. If the other side looked the same I know it would be legal in a 3 point or better unit.  How can he be both? I know the arguments for both sides....thank god for any elk units!
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: buglebuster on August 23, 2013, 01:03:47 PM
is the other one  3 point also  :chuckle:
Interesting question, If it is legal as a spike. If the other side looked the same I know it would be legal in a 3 point or better unit.  How can he be both? I know the arguments for both sides....thank god for any elk units!

That other point is on the other antler, if you zoom in you can tell
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: Broken Arrow on August 23, 2013, 01:09:51 PM
Then I think its a totally legal spike. The branch is under 4 inches from the main.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: buglebuster on August 23, 2013, 01:12:46 PM
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Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 23, 2013, 01:16:28 PM
It sure does not seem like it starts more then 4" up from the base. I would tend to agree with you as being a spike per the rules.

Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: YoterHunter on August 23, 2013, 01:20:13 PM
If not true spike unit then it's ok to shoot. I have pics of a spike my son wants. Tall spikes with 6-7 inch I  gards .
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 23, 2013, 01:27:41 PM
It qualifies as okay in a true spike only area as well if both sides are less than 4" above the bases.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 23, 2013, 01:39:13 PM
Interesting question.  I thought I had a legal by definition spike and wdfw said no go.  Sent the pic to wdfw and see what they say.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: buglebuster on August 23, 2013, 01:39:37 PM
It qualifies as okay in a true spike only area as well if both sides are less than 4" above the bases.
I dont believe that's true
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 23, 2013, 01:45:10 PM
It qualifies as okay in a true spike only area as well if both sides are less than 4" above the bases.
I dont believe that's true

Copied from page 45 of the regs:

True Spike Bull Restrictions: Bull elk taken
in these units must have both antlers with no
branching originating more than four inches
above where the antlers attach to the skull.

Under the true spike restriction, taking an elk
that has two points on one side or antler points
within one inch of the definitions regarding
length of point, or point of origination, is an
infraction. All other types of violations of the
true spike restriction are subject to current
penalties and assessments
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: MIKEXRAY on August 23, 2013, 02:31:24 PM
Man you guys are stretching the rules !  No way I am shooting that in a spike only unit.   
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: smdave on August 23, 2013, 02:36:02 PM
Man you guys are stretching the rules !  No way I am shooting that in a spike only unit.

In a spike only Unit it for sure is Legal, the true spike is where it gets more tricky.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: MIKEXRAY on August 23, 2013, 02:40:12 PM
I would consider myself a chicken in stretching rules.  I always stay well in the lines of life and have been fortunate to stay out of trouble .  You can only stretch so many rules in life till one snaps.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: buglebuster on August 23, 2013, 03:21:37 PM
I dont see this as stretching any rules :dunno:
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: Austrian Hunter on August 23, 2013, 03:26:52 PM
very interesting, tag!
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: vandeman17 on August 23, 2013, 03:30:53 PM
I think you are right that it is a legal bull in a spike unit given the definition but if it was me, I would have a tough time flinging an arrow just because of the chance that I could somehow get in trouble. I always just error on the side of caution but that is just me.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on August 23, 2013, 03:38:08 PM
I would assume that to be a spike as well as a true spike. If they don't count to make it a spike why would they count if it was a true spike area. Less then four...don't count as a point.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: steeleywhopper on August 23, 2013, 03:40:02 PM
Spike! BOOM!
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: Elkrunner on August 23, 2013, 03:56:37 PM
I would let it pass...not going to risk it..
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: Pilot_Hunter on August 23, 2013, 08:22:02 PM
He's legal, plain and simple
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: nw_bowhunter on August 24, 2013, 07:46:21 AM
I wouldn't shoot in a true spike unit. What are you estimating on how long the points are. I wouldn't be confident in a spike only unit..
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 24, 2013, 08:09:23 AM
If that thing is legal in a spike unit it would have to be legal in a true spike unit by definition in hunting regs.  I really don't know if you can go off what the regs say anymore.  We had a picture of an elk that would fit the description of a legal spike and wdfw told us no do to the fact that its an antler deformity.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: buglebuster on August 24, 2013, 08:12:02 AM
What email address do i need to send the pic to? The eye guard starts right at the base, well under the regs "4in" rule, this elk is legal but i would like their answer.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: Rooster1981 on August 24, 2013, 08:30:56 AM
He's legal, plain and simple

 :yeah:   I would shoot him in a spike or true spike unit.  He defiantly does not have any point's above the four inch rule.  If your not sure let him pass so someone else can tag him and take him home.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: YoterHunter on August 24, 2013, 08:35:53 AM
They are I gards not a deformality of horns. The way I look at its elk steaks :cue:
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: jason stevens on August 24, 2013, 08:52:26 AM
Its legal in a spike unit if it branches under the ears but not in a true spike unit. Tthats what we weretold by wdfw in manashatash last year but if you have to question it ddon't shoot I personaally don't understand ut how can it be a legal spike and also count as points in a three point or better unit.I say go back change the regs make washingtion all three point or better deer and elk  and raise the quality of the herds.and open a wolf season.
Title: Re: Legal spike?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 24, 2013, 09:09:16 AM
According to the current regs, anything under 4" from where the base meets the skull does not count as a point in either spike or true spike areas.   

That is what is printed as law, I would not trust what I was told by anyone in WDFW because if push comes to shove, certain things will come into play:

The written law is what will be applied to determine if a violation has occurred. 

People tend to "forget" conversations, especially if they are wrong.

And has been proven in the past (most recent thread about putting a camera on a bow), they sometimes just plain give out wrong information or backpeddle on what they said.

Some have said, if in doubt, let it walk.  Best advice by far.

Maybe it is time to start a letter writing/email campaign to try and change that 4" standard which is near impossible to really accurately gauge in a hunting situation and go to something easier to judge out in the field, like no branching above the tops of the ears...just a thought.
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