Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 24, 2013, 07:54:56 AM
I have only did one, 20 years ago, had a 4ft wide, 25yd long blood trail, pretty impressive, but looks like a blender was turned on inside the animal. Have not attempted it since
20yd shot, missed the bullseye by 1/2 inch, arrow penetrated half way up the vanes.
Post by: fastdam on August 24, 2013, 07:57:06 AM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on August 24, 2013, 08:08:46 AM
Post by: CP on August 24, 2013, 08:16:06 AM
Post by: Ironhead on August 24, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
I would never take this as my first shot.
Post by: buglebuster on August 24, 2013, 08:19:15 AM
Post by: deerslyr on August 24, 2013, 08:20:47 AM
I can't see any situation where this would be an acceptable bow shot. Not as a first shot or as a finishing shot. I predict this thread will be locked as the discussion heats up about the lack of ethics employed to do this. :bdid:
Theres a huge artery right there, very lethal shot. Its actually about as hard to hit as a full on front shot that we hear so many guys on here taking. Me, ill take neither, but I wont hate on a guy who can make it happen.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 24, 2013, 08:22:45 AM
Why not as a second shot once the animal has already been hit :dunno:
Because it's such a low percentage shot that it would make the animal run if it's bad, instead of the shooter backing out and letting him lie down. I'm most appalled by it as a first shot, however.
Post by: buckfvr on August 24, 2013, 08:28:18 AM
Post by: 300rum on August 24, 2013, 08:31:00 AM
With a bow, it just doesn't seem right for me. But, then again, they don't die of heart attacks.
Post by: jackelope on August 24, 2013, 08:33:44 AM
Post by: whackmaster on August 24, 2013, 08:34:23 AM
Post by: kentrek on August 24, 2013, 08:38:18 AM
How many on here can 1-say exactly where that artery is and 2-hit a target that size every time. 2nd or follow up shot....maybe.
Anybody have good pics of the target size a bow hunter has when attempting this shot ??
Post by: boneaddict on August 24, 2013, 08:56:03 AM
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Post by: dreamunelk on August 24, 2013, 09:04:25 AM
It puzzles me that people would take a low percentage shot or risk losing meet just because it is the only shot they have. Score another for the anti-hunters.
Post by: Smossy on August 24, 2013, 09:07:02 AM
I wouldnt even be taking pictures of that.
Post by: brianmtsinc on August 24, 2013, 09:17:32 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 24, 2013, 09:27:29 AM
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It puzzles me that people would take a low percentage shot or risk losing meet just because it is the only shot they have. Score another for the anti-hunters.
:yeah:
That's being nice.
Post by: Bigtine96 on August 24, 2013, 10:17:22 AM
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Post by: Hunterman on August 24, 2013, 10:34:56 AM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: MLBowhunting on August 24, 2013, 10:36:03 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 24, 2013, 10:55:14 AM
With bow: No, no, no, no
Post by: mountainman on August 24, 2013, 01:31:02 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 24, 2013, 07:11:54 PM
How many on here can 1-say exactly where that artery is and 2-hit a target that size every time. 2nd or follow up shot....maybe.
I CAN
Post by: jackelope on August 24, 2013, 07:16:20 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 24, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
You've got a 1/2" target to hit that isn't in the exact spot on every animal every time that can and will move. Sorry but I doubt it.see pic
Post by: rtspring on August 24, 2013, 07:25:35 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 24, 2013, 07:40:52 PM
This is the one and only time I have/or will attempt this shot.
A "texas heart shot" is not in the femoral artery....its through the anal passage area, taking out multiple organs.
I have seen many deer running around with arrows hanging from various parts of their body, most from a high success shot called broadside.
The point is, if you are a serious bowhunter, you should be able to hit a 1-2" grouping at 20 yds. every single shot, I can and have been doing so for 25+ years.
Post by: KFhunter on August 24, 2013, 07:50:17 PM
I wouldn't call it hunting though, it's called shooting an animal in the butthole because you weren't hunter enough to get any other shot.
That arrow looked to shred the intestines and maybe bladder spraying feces all over the hams and tenderloin - no thanks I won't be eating at your house.
Did you process that animal yourself?
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Also to add, I think people are blasting "you" so much to try and curb others from trying this shot themselves.
I'd hate to see someone read this thread then later in the year looking at a puckerhole and thinking to themselves
"hrm, it worked for that dude on hunting-washington forum"
twang - smack! there goes a deer running around town with an arrow stuck out it's azz.
So I don't mean to attack you personally nock nock so much as the method (others trying it because they seen your pic)
Post by: jackelope on August 24, 2013, 08:17:49 PM
You've got a 1/2" target to hit that isn't in the exact spot on every animal every time that can and will move. Sorry but I doubt it.see pic
You got lucky in my book.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 24, 2013, 08:26:55 PM
I'm glad it worked out for you this one time.
I wouldn't call it hunting though, it's called shooting an animal in the butthole because you weren't hunter enough to get any other shot.
That arrow looked to shred the intestines and maybe bladder spraying feces all over the hams and tenderloin - no thanks I won't be eating at your house.
Did you process that animal yourself?
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Also to add, I think people are blasting "you" so much to try and curb others from trying this shot themselves.
I'd hate to see someone read this thread then later in the year looking at a puckerhole and thinking to themselves
"hrm, it worked for that dude on hunting-washington forum"
twang - smack! there goes a deer running around town with an arrow stuck out it's azz.
So I don't mean to attack you personally nock nock so much as the method (others trying it because they seen your pic)
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The moment anyone "shoots" an animal it is no longer hunting it is killing.
"not hunter enough"...wont even touch that one....way to call names....I did that in third grade
It's OK I have thick skin,
Just wish I could be perfect like some on here
Post by: washelkhunter on August 24, 2013, 08:45:28 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 24, 2013, 09:15:00 PM
The moment anyone "shoots" an animal it is no longer hunting it is killing.
"not hunter enough"...wont even touch that one....way to call names....I did that in third grade
It's OK I have thick skin,
Just wish I could be perfect like some on here
To each their own, if you want to keep shooting them in the pooper be my guest. (I'll never condone it)
I just hope no one else gets a wise idea when the season is ending and they're staring at a butthole contemplating the "Texas heart shot" as seen on hunting-washington.
Post by: KFhunter on August 24, 2013, 09:17:42 PM
I would take it all day long with a rifle, I haven't seen it not work with a rifle.
With a bow, it just doesn't seem right for me. But, then again, they don't die of heart attacks.
300 ultra mag in the pooper :yike:
I'd hate to be your butcher
Post by: Smossy on August 24, 2013, 09:18:09 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 24, 2013, 09:18:46 PM
I have only did this 1 time. Think I was in my late teens.
I am in no way advocating this type of shot, nor will I probably ever take it again.
It saddens me that not one person asked "why" I took this shot, Just went straight to bashing :( :( :( :(
To think that some will say hey "say it on H-W" I'm gonna take that shot is just silly.
Post by: 270Shooter on August 24, 2013, 09:23:26 PM
i don't see how it's much different than a gut shot, either way it will destroy the stomach/ intestines. There are a lot of animals that get gut shot every year and if taken care of properly they are fine to eat. Is it a high percentage shot? No, does it work sometimes? Yes. I probably wouldn't take it unless I needed to hit one again after a first shot that didn't get the job done.I would take it all day long with a rifle, I haven't seen it not work with a rifle.
With a bow, it just doesn't seem right for me. But, then again, they don't die of heart attacks.
300 ultra mag in the pooper :yike:
I'd hate to be your butcher
Post by: Smossy on August 24, 2013, 09:26:11 PM
Why nock nock :'(, why would you do such a thing :dunno: What did that poor, innocent, fragile, delicious, tasteful creature ever do to you? :IBCOOL:
I have only did this 1 time. Think I was in my late teens.
I am in no way advocating this type of shot, nor will I probably ever take it again.
It saddens me that not one person asked "why" I took this shot, Just went straight to bashing :( :( :( :(
To think that some will say hey "say it on H-W" I'm gonna take that shot is just silly.
Post by: Smossy on August 24, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
All I can think is...i don't see how it's much different than a gut shot, either way it will destroy the stomach/ intestines. There are a lot of animals that get gut shot every year and if taken care of properly they are fine to eat. Is it a high percentage shot? No, does it work sometimes? Yes. I probably wouldn't take it unless I needed to hit one again after a first shot that didn't get the job done.I would take it all day long with a rifle, I haven't seen it not work with a rifle.
With a bow, it just doesn't seem right for me. But, then again, they don't die of heart attacks.
300 ultra mag in the pooper :yike:
I'd hate to be your butcher
BOOOM :bfg: Gotta poop.
Post by: 7mmstalker on August 26, 2013, 11:33:00 PM
A light rain and fading light making bloodtrailing impossible, pushed me to urge her to close the distance and try for a second shot. The Texas Heart Shot was on my list of "never do it" techniques until that moment. I urged her to consider that a wounded deer could suffer a slow death otherwise. She put the next shot in the center of the 8 on the doe's backside and when we approached the area, there was no longer any worries about a blood trail, the bushes were red from bottom to almost three feet up. the deer was piled up less than 20 feet from that spot.
Disclaimer:
She was using a 50cal muzzleloader.
I nor anybody I hunt with would take that shot under any lesser conditions, never as a "first shot" with any weapon.
The second slug was found in the severely damaged pelvic bone and the (femoral?) artery was severed ,- no entrails were touched!
Definitely not the way we want our hunt to unfold, but under the circumstances, making a judgement call to follow through seemed the obvious choice.
Post by: Bean Counter on August 27, 2013, 12:05:14 AM
Why nock nock :'(, why would you do such a thing :dunno: What did that poor, innocent, fragile, delicious, tasteful creature ever do to you? :IBCOOL:
I have only did this 1 time. Think I was in my late teens.
I am in no way advocating this type of shot, nor will I probably ever take it again.
It saddens me that not one person asked "why" I took this shot, Just went straight to bashing :( :( :( :(
To think that some will say hey "say it on H-W" I'm gonna take that shot is just silly.
C'mon now... don't get butt hurt :chuckle:
Post by: chukar58 on August 27, 2013, 12:22:40 AM
Post by: Smossy on August 27, 2013, 01:04:24 AM
Haha oh snap! He said that.Why nock nock :'(, why would you do such a thing :dunno: What did that poor, innocent, fragile, delicious, tasteful creature ever do to you? :IBCOOL:
I have only did this 1 time. Think I was in my late teens.
I am in no way advocating this type of shot, nor will I probably ever take it again.
It saddens me that not one person asked "why" I took this shot, Just went straight to bashing :( :( :( :(
To think that some will say hey "say it on H-W" I'm gonna take that shot is just silly.
C'mon now... don't get butt hurt :chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on August 27, 2013, 03:29:24 AM
With a rifle the amount of meat loss is so great the shot is ill advised. But with an arrow there is nearly no loss of meat.
The further you get from the heart and into the extremities blood vessels get smaller. Yet at the same time they multiply in volume. As a result the buttocks holds nearly the same quantity of blood as areas closer to the heart. These smaller vessels and dense tissue clot easier yet must drain primarily external. With these smaller vessels it is increasingly important to have a broadhead super sharp with few edge burrs that create platelet traps of tissue. And to assist in prolonging coagulation the ferrule and vent configurations should limit the amount of oxygen sucked into the wound as oxygen is a major stimulant that bonds blood platelets and forms the foundation of coagulation. Rapid coagulation is your biggest enemy when addressing dense tissue shots. Due to the high percentage of external discharge of blood a solid ham shot produces one of the more extraordinary blood trails.
While I do not fear the ham shot on the entire Cervidae family of animals I do fear this shot on the Ursidae family of animals. Their anatomy/physiology has a much reduced concentration of larger blood vessels in the buttock area coming closer to the resemblance of humans. Thus the optimal target is much smaller and much more difficult to locate consistently.
In my ideal world every animal I shoot would be facing away 10 to 25 degrees from broadside. My arrow would enter behind the shoulder closest to me and destroy the shoulder opposite. Every shot would completely dissect the ascending and descending aorta's from the heart while simultaneously punching through both lungs. Unfortunately my ideal world struggles to exist amongst reality in the hunting field. So the equipment I use is supportive of those shots that fall short of those ideal. And I fear little the occasional shot in the hams. My quarry should still expire rapidly and humanely and recovery is almost guaranteed successful.
Post by: huntnnw on August 27, 2013, 03:49:13 AM
Post by: grundy53 on August 27, 2013, 04:21:09 AM
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Post by: dreamingbig on August 27, 2013, 05:28:35 AM
I can 100% say I have never and will never take it, even with a rifle. I have let multiple animals walk because that was my only shot.
:yeah: That said I did have my arrow deflect last year on a whitetail doe. Entered behind the last rib and exited above the tail on the opposite side. The blood trail was massive and short.
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